N95 Mask Market

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  1. baileyiu

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    You mean I can’t bid on ventilators, masks, PPE?
    This price gouging has been going on from the start!
     
  2. Cream&Crimson

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    There is just no rational argument to be made against the idea that the Federal government should have nationalized the procurement of PPE, ventilators and other critical medical supplies to get through this crisis. It makes absolutely no sense for 50 governors to be spending half of their days scrounging for masks, etc. They all have so many important things to do. A procurement group (FEMA) should be handling this in a coordinated, well-managed way. Any argument to the contrary is ridiculous.
     
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    Citizenship Requirements for the state of Colorado are a good Rocky Mountain high and being able to switch 13 horses in the same stream.
     
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    Citizenship Requirements for the state of Colorado are a good Rocky Mountain high and being able to switch 13 horses in the same stream.
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    Not sure why folks think it’s just Cuomo saying this. Gov Baker of MA has been saying the same thing.
     
  5. CO. Hoosier

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    It's not a joke, it's planning. Notwithstanding COVID-19 there are still strokes, heart attacks, trauma, and other urgent and critical care needs. Both hospital ships were intended to stay clean of the virus and treat other urgent medical needs; thus freeing up local hospitals for viral care.
     
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  6. CO. Hoosier

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    Our more or less free market health care system has provided more critical care beds and more ventilators per capita than many, if not all, the controlled market system in other OECD contries. That's not to say we have enough, but we are better situated. To build the capacity to deal with this, and then have that capicity sit idle for decades and decades, isn't very smart either. Especially when health care costs are to be cut every which way we can.
     
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    This just showed up in my work email. I've gotten any number of these recently.



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    this way, perhaps it would be eligible to have a casino as well.
     
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    Sorry, that is just stupid. Rational people (Governor Cuomo) are not suggesting that capacity sit idle. What we need, right now, here and now in the next few weeks, is for everyone to work together to share the physical resources between the states and hot-spots as needed. This is something the the Federal government should have been uniquely equipped to execute. But they haven't proven to be up to the task so the states are left to doing what they can't efficiently do - while they are not equipped to deal with a global pandemic situation they are faced with. This was was always a situation where the Federal government should have stepped in and they didn't.
     
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    First of all Gov. Cuomo was publicly asking for more ventilators while thousands were sitting idle in nearby warehouses earmarked for NY. Then he admitted he was anticipating a need and didn't need them at the moment.

    Suggesting that the feds seize the country's supply of unused ventilators, whether in public or private hands, for the purposes of reviewing all the requests for redistribution, and then doing the distribution the based on comparing the merit of each request sounds like something that is way easier said than done. The legal, practical, and administraive issues and burdens are significant and IMO would add delay and more disorder to getting them where they need to be.
     
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    Nail on head.
     
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    Good planning is to determine your total need and make sure you have that amount ahead of time instead of trying acquire your need two days in advance (or maybe two days late). Having a supply in reserve makes sense. After NY uses them(and the curve is gong down) those ventilators are transferred to areas where the curve is going up.
     
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    got my free reusable maks today.

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    I am going to rob me a bank using this since everyone is getting one!

    Some guy with a black mask... oh wait!

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    The ships have centralized air handling units. It’s an enclosed system so everyone is breathing the same air. The whole idea of the ships were to take some of the load off of hospitals so that they could concentrate on COVID-19 patients. that was clear from the very beginning.

    It’s only a guess on my part but I think it’s reasonable to assume that when the decision was made to send the ships to New York and Los Angeles and we were lying on Trump’s and Pense’s statement that everyone in the United States that wanted to test would be able to have one a couple weeks ago. That was a lie.
     
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    C19 was never the role of either hospital ship nor should it be. They are about freeing up beds in the land based hospitals and protecting non-C19 patients and staff. We cannot pollute one of those ships.
     
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    That will never work..... it took all of a day before they had several C19 patients on the ship accidentally.
     
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    Dumb shits.
     
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    Comfort now taking COVID patients....a reversal of a stupid policy.

    The idea they would be able to keep a hospital ship clean of this virus is the ultimate stupidity. Who in charge actually believed this was possible?
     
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    And at least one crewman has it. I suspect they were never going to keep COVID out anyway.
     
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    Perhaps not but they should have tried. This pollutes the ship. Bad situation.
     
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    Absolutely they should have tried. COVID-19 isn't the only health condition in NYC. A facility should be dedicated to those who must be hospitalized and who are negative for the virus--particularly for those whose immune systems are compromised.
     
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    I heard a NYC doctor yesterday saying the majority of "other" cases (he named appendicitis and car crash victims) coming in are testing positive for COVID-19. How quickly after infection does a test yield a positive result? If I was infected an hour ago, would I yield a positive now? I don't know that. But unless it is immediate, I am not sure how to have a hospital stay clean.
     
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    I read a report from a NY doctor regarding testing. In the early days, they would test after death. That ended some time ago. Thus the doctor believes that the Covid death count is inaccurate and possibly very underreported.
     
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    That’s backed up by the number of deaths at home. It was something like 20 a day in NYC before this, and it’s over 200 a day now. Many or even most of those aren’t getting counted.
     
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    I believe the point was that those hospitalizations were a result of another ailment, but the patient happened to have COVID. If someone dies from a Motorcycle accident, do you count it as a COVID death? No. There is some odd silence from the Gov of CT after he quickly blamed the death of an infant on COVID despite the medical examiners insistence that an autopsy needs to be finallized.
     
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    That’s possible but I read it as this guy died of a cardiac event. We will not test him postmortem for Covid even though Covid causes cardiac issues.
     
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    Fair and I would agree
     
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    Dr Birx is saying that anyone that has tested positive and dies is counted as a C19 death,
     
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    But you still have the people who die without being tested. I read an article that said that NY typically has 20 deaths per day for various causes. Now, excluding Covid classified deaths, they are seeing 200 deaths from the various causes.
     
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    Just a datapoint
     

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