This happened...
Then, this happened...
https://m.startribune.com/trump-inv...on-act-on-3m-n95-respiratory-masks/569337532/
Then, this happened...
https://m.startribune.com/trump-inv...on-act-on-3m-n95-respiratory-masks/569337532/
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Blah blah blah blah blah...your such a sad person. Do you constantly do this same bitching around the ones you love? I sure hope not. Jeez.It boils down to the lack of a game plan and zero prep. They should have prepared for this. It's normal practice for most governments.
It only highly who had good governance and who did. The bullshitty populist BoJo and Trump have been caught with their pants down on this.
This happened...
Then, this happened...
https://m.startribune.com/trump-inv...on-act-on-3m-n95-respiratory-masks/569337532/
Blah blah blah blah blah...your such a sad person. Do you constantly do this same bitching around the ones you love? I sure hope not. Jeez.
I guess I like more precision than you do in defining the disputed issues. You say "Trump" or "globalism"as if that is an argument.
We have never had a 50 state disaster in our history. And we never had a disaster that has rolled on for weeks and weeks before recovery even starts. Typical disasters like a storm or an earthquake are over in a day if not hours. Then recovery begins. This is new. The weaknesses that have become obvious have nothing to do with the system. No system would have worked. Eliminating federalism will not magically create more goods and services.
Yes everybody knows a pandemic isn't state by state issue. It isn't being treated that way. The task force Trump appointed back in January was tasked with the designing a coherent medical and and civil response and provide an overall national direction. I'm not arguing that the feds have no role. I am saying as big as the federal government is, it isn't big enough to deal with on the ground issues in New York City, Seattle, Wyoming or Vail Colorado. Local decision-making is vital and useful. So is local acquisition of needed goods and services, along with a federal boost in the form of, for example, the DPA. What is the use of the thousands of local hospitals suddenly burdening the federal government with procurement requests? That will cause more delay and chaos. Locals ought to use their own established suppliers. Failing that, go to state procurement people.
My impression of almost all your posts is that you are using this Pandemic as yet another reason to mindlessly bash Trump without really thinking through the details of any of your points.
typical Trump - weeks late in making a decision! He has known about the price gouging for quite some time and if his "team" would have paid any attention they would have found out what this state employee found out.This happened...
Then, this happened...
https://m.startribune.com/trump-inv...on-act-on-3m-n95-respiratory-masks/569337532/
The Republican governor of Maryland was complaining about procurement. He said repeatedly he has reached deals for ventilators just to have The supplier call back and say they had a better offer. Is that how you think emergencies should be handled?
Somehow the ability of the feds to mobilize and win WW2 never gets mentioned by conservatives. I submit that as proof that not only can a generalized system work, it can work to an excellent degree. There was no waiting around on Boeing to decide if it wanted to commit planes, which type, how many, when. We certainly never let Boeing call us back and say they had a better deal from the Germans.
Seriously, I saw a quotation yesterday from a friend for a ventilator that was $45k on Wednesday and $50k on Thursday. All cash transactions. Normal price would be 8-9k
Ok, so they're bidding against just 49 other states then, not 49 states and FEMA. That's a game-changer. /sFEMA consistently said if it has knowledge of that, it backs off.
Ok, so they're bidding against just 49 other states then, not 49 states and FEMA. That's a game-changer. /s
This whole thing is a great example why we need a competently ran federal government that isn't isolationist. And also why the free market isn't equipped to handle a crisis situation, particularly in health care. They're going to squeeze every dollar they can and run to the feds for help because it's not profitable for them to be good corporate citizens to have excess capacity for crisis situations or keep rural hospitals open.
I have the solution, let us start the rumor that George Soros is buying millions of dollars of emergency supplies to make Trump look bad. Soon all the Trump supporters will demand the feds take over procurement.
My understanding was the hospital ships were supposed to take other medical situations to free up space and resources in the hospitals. I'm not sure you want a highly contagious disease on a ship.The Feds can't do anything right, not sure I'd put any hope there..... even the USNS Comfort is a total joke. ..as they actually refuse to take on COVID patients.
The 1,000-Bed Comfort Was Supposed to Aid New York. It Has 20 Patients.
“It’s a joke,” said a top hospital executive, whose facilities are packed with coronavirus patients.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
My understanding was the hospital ships were supposed to take other medical situations to free up space and resources in the hospitals. I'm not sure you want a highly contagious disease on a ship.
Facts is facts, dude. At least he has a basis for the complaints he's registering . . .Blah blah blah blah blah...your such a sad person. Do you constantly do this same bitching around the ones you love? I sure hope not. Jeez.
It's a ship, sure . . . but it's a hospital ship.My understanding was the hospital ships were supposed to take other medical situations to free up space and resources in the hospitals. I'm not sure you want a highly contagious disease on a ship.
Yes that was the plan.... but it's a stupid plan.
Wtf is going on? My sister in SF just asked me to send her boxes of surgical masks to her. They all fake in Amazon?
Strange. It would take forever to get there.I see LOTS of them, and most appear real. My wife has sewn the cloth masks that I will use so I'm not looking for them personally.
Wait, after looking closer, most will not arrive until mid-may. So there is a shortage.Strange. It would take forever to get there.
The whole global logistics system is really slow at the moment. I had online stuff come down from China faster than Malaysia, 250miles north.
I will see what I can find for her. Food I understand but masks?
I"m not sure what you're seeing on amazon. everything i see on amazon that looks like a mask that "might" work is "prioritized for hospitals and governmental agencies." the ones that look like better than nothing have shipment dates in late may through june.Wtf is going on? My sister in SF just asked me to send her boxes of surgical masks. They all fake in Amazon?
Wait, after looking closer, most will not arrive until mid-may. So there is a shortage.
I"m not sure what you're seeing on amazon. everything i see on amazon that looks like a mask that "might" work is "prioritized for hospitals and governmental agencies." the ones that look like better than nothing have shipment dates in late may through june.
I"m not sure what you're seeing on amazon. everything i see on amazon that looks like a mask that "might" work is "prioritized for hospitals and governmental agencies." the ones that look like better than nothing have shipment dates in late may through june.
I assumed it was because the staff was quartered on board. More chance of spreading among the staff and crew? I dont know as I am no expert. This is why I have no desire to go on a cruise.It's a ship, sure . . . but it's a hospital ship.
How is being on a hospital ship - a docked hospital ship, not one at sea - all that different from being cooped up in a hospital . . . or a ward/room in a hospital? Seems pretty much the same thing to me . . . .
The Republican governor of Maryland was complaining about procurement. He said repeatedly he has reached deals for ventilators just to have The supplier call back and say they had a better offer. Is that how you think emergencies should be handled?
Somehow the ability of the feds to mobilize and win WW2 never gets mentioned by conservatives. I submit that as proof that not only can a generalized system work, it can work to an excellent degree. There was no waiting around on Boeing to decide if it wanted to commit planes, which type, how many, when. We certainly never let Boeing call us back and say they had a better deal from the Germans.
No. The problem the Maryland governor* is having is because of product scarcity, not because of "handling" the emergency. Even if the Feds could seize the entire supply, which would be time consuming, that wouldn't increase the supply. Then there would be an additional layer of allocation and distribution problems which would also likely delay the whole process. Time and speed is of the essence.
Despite Midway, we spent. year getting our ass kicked in WWII before our mobilization took effect. We don't have a year now. The way we treated those whose real estate we seized to begin the Manhattan Project would never fly today. Especially since there is a cadre of federal judges willing to set aside any Trump order, which he has the authority to issue, because they don't like Trump or his decisions.
*Why did you include "Republican" and "conservative" in your post? You raise decent points, (which I take issue with) but you degrade your arguments by making them political. This is new for you.
If he is being outbid for the equipment, it is more than a supply problem. Is EBay an efficient way to respond? Does a willingness to pay more equal the group most in need getting the product? Is it possible that there are billionaires with no sign they have the disease are outbidding states that are desperate? Are lifesaving measures a good commodity to go only to the highest bidder.
There are theories out there that Democrats are panicking to make Trump look bad. The MD governor saying 1) he is having product yanked from him after reaching a deal because someone else would pay more and 2) being a Republican combine to make it clear this is a real problem and not some anti-Trump hoax.
Weeks??? Ok, you’re disqualifiedtypical Trump - weeks late in making a decision! He has known about the price gouging for quite some time and if his "team" would have paid any attention they would have found out what this state employee found out.
We don't know the details of the Maryland transaction. So we don't know what occurred there. I have some inside baseball knowledge of the Colorado transaction and those problems were not a hinderance. The difference maker is not politics. It's experience. Colorado's governor is a far left liberal none of whose positions I agree with. However, his experience includes running a private business. I think that is a huge advantage in these times. I give him pretty high marks for the way he is handling things. Except for some exceptions among Democratic governors, I don't think many Democrats can ever get to a similar place. But of course I'm highly nuanced in my opinions.
The Maryland governor also shows private business experience, but that is ambiguous, he doesn't appear to have been in charge, and he could have been basically a lobbyist.
Experience mattes more than politics in these times.
So the best governor right now are people who have bought thousands of items on Ebay?
This is why discussing things with you has become so frustrating.
Buh bye.
Governor Cuomo has described this situation literally every day, and the only way you could have missed it is living under a rock, or only relying on Faux News for info.I’ve heard the exact opposite in the update pressers I heard. Where did you get this?
The governors, multiple governors, are complaining about this. You use that opportunity to slide in your Ayn Rand plug that a businessman would always know the best solution. And that is my fault to point out that fallacy?
Governors are complaining, multiple governors, they are bidding against each other. So tackle this one question, how is it not war profiteering?
Despite Midway, we spent. year getting our ass kicked in WWII before our mobilization took effect. We don't have a year now. The way we treated those whose real estate we seized to begin the Manhattan Project would never fly today. Especially since there is a cadre of federal judges willing to set aside any Trump order, which he has the authority to issue, because they don't like Trump or his decisions.
Being unable to counter your arguments "...has become so frustrating" for CoH. The Trump Administration's response to 9/11 would have been "This is why Chuck Schumer is a terrible Senator" or "If that Governor whose brother is on CNN wants help he needs to be nice to me."