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Meanwhile in France...

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https://www.politico.eu/article/emm...al-ratings-slip-again-in-latest-opinion-poll/
71 percent of French have no confidence in Macron, poll shows.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/france-anti-tax-protests-leave-gas-stations-running-dry-n942871

'Yellow Jacket' protests in France leave gas stations running dry; Paris riots worst since 1968

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Are you suggesting it is easier to govern the U.S. than France?

As strange as it seems, in many ways, yes. France has several things going against it. It still wants to believe it is a world power and the basis for all civilization. It is not. France has had structural issues on class discrimination, race, and religion for a very, very long time. They have failed to significantly advance those issues. In the US, there are almost no devoted communists, and few socialists or fascists (overall). Those parties play a larger role in France, the communists had 11% in 2012 presidential election. Le Pen's father was totally anti-semitic, but she at least removed that aspect (we can debate if she is serious or just figured concentrating on Muslims was a better strategy until they get power). She got what, 13% of the vote last time? So their political spectrum is far broader, leading to more of what we are starting to see here.

We have enough problems to be sure, and I think our problems are growing faster than France's. But that also means our problems haven't baked in as long so our trajectory still can be changed. Mind you, I don't see it happening but it is still possible. At our core, I believe Hoops and CO are closer in their beliefs than their counterparts on refroidisseur d'eau board (I hope Google translate did that right. LeBeau never said "Water Cooler" in French during any episode of Hogan's Heroes that I saw and that is where all my French and German knowledge comes from).
 
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It's French tradition. Every French president since the last 5 years of Mitterrand (1990) have suffered the same fate:

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It's French tradition. Every French president since the last 5 years of Mitterrand (1990) have suffered the same fate:

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Do you expect a bounce? I'd think a centrist would do well, unless people are too far from the center to support centrist policies
 
Do you expect a bounce? I'd think a centrist would do well, unless people are too far from the center to support centrist policies
I could never begin to make sense of French politics, but they seem to start hating you within a month of election. This is the second big dip Macron has experienced although this one is bigger.

He will either bounce back in the next month or so or sink further forcing a change.

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What is notable about these riots is they don't involve, at least in appreciable numbers, North African immigrants, but rather members of the French middle class who see themselves being forced into poverty by the elitist policies of Macron.
 
What is notable about these riots is they don't involve, at least in appreciable numbers, North African immigrants, but rather members of the French middle class who see themselves being forced into poverty by the elitist policies of Macron.

What are some examples of these policies?
 
According to the article you posted, they are protesting tax policies they believe favor the wealthy.

But this is vague speak. I'm trying to understand what the actual policies are/were. Some of it sounds like it involves tax breaks for businesses and increases on the broader workforce (fuel tax being one of them)
 
But this is vague speak. I'm trying to understand what the actual policies are/were. Some of it sounds like it involves tax breaks for businesses and increases on the broader workforce (fuel tax being one of them)
The real grievance is that a large portion of the population feels that they should be able to make ends meet if they are working full time. The ability to do this is slipping away from more and more people.

The fuel tax was a tax on all, but a bigger burden for those that can't pay their bills already. That started it and then all the various groups with related concerns joined in.

The answers to these questions is what people here debate about (when not talking about Trump) all the time. The French take to the streets when they get pissed. I know this was supposed to be the worst, but they have these riots every few years. They know how to do protests. (Again another debatable point)

Quite frankly, the reasons behind them are never going to make sense to you. The cultural difference won't allow it no matter how open minded one thinks they are. Macron is weak right now and it will be interesting to see if he is standing when it's over, and if so, how strong.
 
I'll swap.

Macron for Trump

Throw in the whole Trump family too. Ivanka can sell more handbags in Paris.
 
The real grievance is that a large portion of the population feels that they should be able to make ends meet if they are working full time. The ability to do this is slipping away from more and more people.

The fuel tax was a tax on all, but a bigger burden for those that can't pay their bills already. That started it and then all the various groups with related concerns joined in.

The answers to these questions is what people here debate about (when not talking about Trump) all the time. The French take to the streets when they get pissed. I know this was supposed to be the worst, but they have these riots every few years. They know how to do protests. (Again another debatable point)

Quite frankly, the reasons behind them are never going to make sense to you. The cultural difference won't allow it no matter how open minded one thinks they are. Macron is weak right now and it will be interesting to see if he is standing when it's over, and if so, how strong.

Did he overturn the Hollande's restrictions that prohibit French workers from working longer hours?
 
What are some examples of these policies?
The proximate cause of the riots was a decision by the Macron government to increase the tax on diesel by 23% in the past year. As most French workers drive to work, this tax which is billed as a means to fight climate change, has a disproportionate effect on rural/suburban populations who were barely making ends meet.
 
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The real grievance is that a large portion of the population feels that they should be able to make ends meet if they are working full time. The ability to do this is slipping away from more and more people.

The fuel tax was a tax on all, but a bigger burden for those that can't pay their bills already. That started it and then all the various groups with related concerns joined in.

The answers to these questions is what people here debate about (when not talking about Trump) all the time. The French take to the streets when they get pissed. I know this was supposed to be the worst, but they have these riots every few years. They know how to do protests. (Again another debatable point)

Quite frankly, the reasons behind them are never going to make sense to you. The cultural difference won't allow it no matter how open minded one thinks they are. Macron is weak right now and it will be interesting to see if he is standing when it's over, and if so, how strong.



Real full time? Or French full time?
 

Never one to waste an opportunity to kick your friends when they are down. Also, I hardly think they are chanting “We Want Trump!”
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Looks like the same sort of populist crap got Trump elected and Brexit. Easily duped people being convinced they can have their cake and eat it, while consistently finding other people/countries to blame for everything that goes wrong.


Leave EU and NATO is a bit of a suspicious one. (Even Le Pen isn't pushing it anymore)

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Looks like the same sort of populist crap got Trump elected and Brexit. Easily duped people being convinced they can have their cake and eat it, while consistently finding other people/countries to blame for everything that goes wrong.


Leave EU and NATO is a bit of a suspicious one. (Even Le Pen isn't pushing it anymore)

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Lol Brexit is not populism. Nationalism perhaps, but more importantly sensibility.
 
Looks like the same sort of populist crap got Trump elected and Brexit. Easily duped people being convinced they can have their cake and eat it, while consistently finding other people/countries to blame for everything that goes wrong.


Leave EU and NATO is a bit of a suspicious one. (Even Le Pen isn't pushing it anymore)

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Yep. The reports today all point to Russia interference here. Sowing discord and stirring the pot. Now that the walls are closing in of Trump, I’m fearful of what the Russians will do here in America. Seems like filing up the deplorables will be a top priority.
 
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Lol Brexit is not populism. Nationalism perhaps, but more importantly sensibility.

Hmmm... Are you sure you work in finance? No one I know who works in London and in particular in the City thinks it's a good idea. Not one. Bad for their business.

As for my take on it, it's stupid. It's an emotional argument rather than an economic or financial argument.
 
Yep. The reports today all point to Russia interference here. Sowing discord and stirring the pot. Now that the walls are closing in of Trump, I’m fearful of what the Russians will do here in America. Seems like filing up the deplorables will be a top priority.
If taxes are 50% of GDP as indicated in an earlier post, it wouldn’t take much to create discord.
 
As strange as it seems, in many ways, yes. France has several things going against it. It still wants to believe it is a world power and the basis for all civilization. It is not. France has had structural issues on class discrimination, race, and religion for a very, very long time. They have failed to significantly advance those issues. In the US, there are almost no devoted communists, and few socialists or fascists (overall). Those parties play a larger role in France, the communists had 11% in 2012 presidential election. Le Pen's father was totally anti-semitic, but she at least removed that aspect (we can debate if she is serious or just figured concentrating on Muslims was a better strategy until they get power). She got what, 13% of the vote last time? So their political spectrum is far broader, leading to more of what we are starting to see here.

We have enough problems to be sure, and I think our problems are growing faster than France's. But that also means our problems haven't baked in as long so our trajectory still can be changed. Mind you, I don't see it happening but it is still possible. At our core, I believe Hoops and CO are closer in their beliefs than their counterparts on refroidisseur d'eau board (I hope Google translate did that right. LeBeau never said "Water Cooler" in French during any episode of Hogan's Heroes that I saw and that is where all my French and German knowledge comes from).

i seem to recall "da cooler" being mentioned quite a bit on that show, but usually in a negative way.
 
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