See Hooky's post, but yes, I'm talking about general banter and sh*t-talking amongst programs. PU has an ugly campus, co-eds, town, mooo, etc... IU grads are dumb, live at home, girls are easy, ND reversible jackets, IU sucks chant, etc...whatever general putdowns PU fans like to lob at IU grads and fans, and vice versa. Where the line is crossed is insulting an individual (or sharing one's troubles as a way to put down your rivals program), as Jimbo chose to do with MG's troubles and as you now have done with my parenting (Yes, I do indeed have 2 happy and healthy children who are both college grads and well-adjusted young adults). And, I'm inviting you to say anything additional to my face if you'd like to continue down that track and I'll tell you and show you what I think of your opinion of my parenting skills. Yikes indeed.