at Otter Creek. I was playing from our white tees, but they have lengthened them somewhat. Thus, I have played from the green tees my last two rounds. Our shortest tees are red and the green tees are the next shortest. In my opinion, they are the length of the former white tees in many cases. My guess is they are around 6,200 yards in length. I shot an 85 with two birdies Monday and I had an 84 with two birdies today. I reached a par 5 hole in two today and then two-putted for a birdie. Of course, I had a double bogey on the next hole because of birdie remorse. vbg I am having so much more fun playing the green tees. They must be for hackers like me. Of course, I will be 67 on July 6th. If any of you are looking for a public golf course to play, I would highly recommend Otter Creek. It is in outstanding condition and the staff is very considerate.