Man, Sampson can coach
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Sampson broke NCAA rules. You nailed him. Now you have to hold every NCAA coach to the same standard. Meanwhile, Sampson is playing for another Elite Eight.
Wow, the "everyone does it, why not we?" moral equivalence defense. Impressive. Do you always associate with the lowest common denominator? Winning is not everything and integrity s something. You will be remembered by the latter.
Btw, no need to reply. You have informed us of your character. Winning first, integrity second.
Maybe you can get Sampson to come back and score a deal. Good luck. Winning is everything, character means nothing.
Btw, do you have anything interesting to say other than cheating is acceptable? I'll hang up and listen.
Why do you think they’re druggies? They’re damn near on their way to the Elite 8 though after knocking off the Big Ten and PAC 12 champions.
I if I come across as strident, I want to apologize but I do not apologize for my stance on IU athletics. I believe that IU has always been a dedicated to doing things the right way, following the rules, and embodying student athletics. If we embrace the “everyone else does it, why shouldn’t we?” Then we are no better than any other university that has fallen under sanctions, and I for one believe that IU is better than that, The Sampson-era was a low point in IU decision making and one that I hope is never repeated. Speech over. Have a great night
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Bring him back! I guarantee he’d have given us #6 and probably 2 or 3 Final Fours.
“Kelvin Sampson Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap”
Bring him back! I guarantee he’d have given us #6 and probably 2 or 3 Final Fours.
Best pure coach in college basketball. We fired him. Shame...
Yep, the man is coaching circles around the Big Ten and Pac12 Champions. Time to forgive and forget and bring him back! He’s about as sure of a thing to win here as there is.
"Why did you blow up the program?"
"Because you made a phone call!!!"
"Because you made a phone call!!!"
Been awhile ago, I never got all of the issues. More we did have some players that turned out to be problems than phone calls bothered me. Didn't he lose like almost 28 PPG in season ending injuries. Seems like there were some pretty serious court cases about many of the guys on that team . I am a RMK fan and all but at some point things changed and I don't want to be seeing the court cases. Bad time for both parties? Just to keep with the theme of some other threads didn't he coach in the NBA for awhile?
IU and Sampson snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. NCAA ended up eliminating the phone call rule a couple years later, some dumbasses were doing drugs, and Bud Mackey, a top 40 kid from Kaintuck, got busted selling drugs and is still having legal troubles today.
Isn't Basset as well and can't remember some of them but a lot of shady guys at the time. He had Gordon and i fhe had been a bit more patient, to me the phone calls werent a big deal but the shady guys he brought in
It appears that IU and Sampson would have been set up for some nice success for 15-20 years had things worked out. Sampson had IU rolling pretty much out of the gates.
More pathetic lack of awareness by IU fans. It's not IU's decision to "forgive and forget." It's Kelvin's decision. Remember, the IU admin turned him into the NCAA. They actively derailed his career. Kelvin may go to Purdue or something like that to get revenge but there's 0% chance he ever coaches for this clown show of an IU administration.
Sampson has had every program he’s ever coached rolling. Our administration hedged way too far on the side of “better safe than sorry” at that time. It has cost us dearly.
Honestly, one could argue that the handling of Sampson set the program back farther than the handling of RMK did.
No shit. Should have never been hired in the first place.
Hogwash. He’s one of the best in the business and belongs at a place like IU.
The NCAA had him in their crosshairs before we hired him. The NCAA gave him a probationary period at IU that forbid him from making 3 way phone calls and he did it anyway then lied to the NCAA about it. He didn’t need to break rules or recruit players with character issues here, but he did it anyway. If you don’t believe there were character issues, just remember that at least two of those players transferred and were kicked off the teams they transferred to. One of them had already been in serious trouble and had two strikes against him before Sampson took him in.
I wish he had worked out here, because he is obviously a good coach. He had no intention, however, of doing what was expected of him here.
First part of your statement may be true, second is absolutely false.
We fell into the mess we did because of Sampson and Sampson alone. That never happens if he wasn't hired in the first place. Don't overthink this.
Not sure why that gets lost on people. He may have scraped by a few more years had IU not reported him for breaking his probation, but he wasn't going to last with the characters he was bringing in. Give a guy like that an inch and he's going to take the whole thing.
By "take the whole thing" you mean "win a championship."
Thank goodness we cleaned up the mess Sampson left, or the program would be in dire straits right now.
Don't care.
I care more about the integrity of the university than winning basketball games. If you don't get that, there's no reason to continue further.
You act as if Sampson is out there giving kids $50,000 in cash. He is not on the level of Bill Self, Will Wade, Rick Pitino, or Bruce Pearl. Shit, he’s not even on the level of Brad Underwood when it snows to cheating.
I'm not talking about cheating or giving players money. Him making phone calls was the least of my worries. But the characters he was bringing in and the complete lack of the regard they showed the university was a major turnoff. Sampson was at IU barely a year and a half and:
-recruited a player who was charged, tried, and convicted of felony cocaine trafficking WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL and sentenced to 15 years in prison.
-recruited a player that later enrolled who was shot in the head as a senior in high school hanging out at a party at a gang affiliated house who a year prior was suspended for the remainder of his junior year of high school for punching out a referee mid game
And that's not even mentioning the rampant drug use and academic disregard of the players who were already on campus.
This may not matter to you and that is perfectly fine and within your right, but it was absolute embarrassment to me. I'm a proud alumnus of Indiana University before a proud Indiana basketball fan. I realize that everybody is different. But acting like Sampson was unfairly railroaded is a joke. He couldn't stay out of his own way and IU didn't deserve to go down with him.
