Probably no program would have fired Archie after his third year. Team was in the tournament and he had a very good recruiting class coming in. There was no real drama about Archie coming back for a fourth season. It was going to happen.
Man, Sampson can coach
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That's all irrelevant and personal conjecture. There was no chance he was getting fired by Fred or any other AD after winning 20 games and making the tourney (that never was).
BTW, Fred’s comment taking the heat off Archie and his decision to retire in May were both done well before the season was over. The “make or break” was before it even began.
Because of his retirement, Archie couldn’t have been fired if he’d have had a losing record.
Well, I never said he was going to. I say he should have been. No surprise to anybody, he wasn’t. He got another year that turned out exactly the way most of us figured it would - one more year of letdowns and one year farther away from getting back on track.
It wasn’t a surprising decision. It was a predictable, bad one.
Fred wanted out before somebody else had to clean up his big mess. Coward.
He wasn't fired for making too many phone calls, he was fired for setting up conference calls and lying about it. He may have survived had he just made the calls, but he tried to circumvent the rules and then lied about it. Shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
What? Did I hear another failed attempt? Show me oh toothless one hit wonder. Lying sack of sh!t. Don’t start the “who is wrong” crap.
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You are taking two "facts" and then drawing a conclusion that fits your agenda.
You are making a BIG deal out of the "not make or break year" comment. There are many times that a coach gets the "vote of confidence" and then is summarily dismissed. You have NO IDEA what was said behind closed doors. What is said in the press means almost nothing.
And then you use a non-event to bolster your argument. No Archie wasn't fired and that fact is not PROOF of anything. IMO, the extra year Archie got had nothing to do with FG's retirement and my opinion is just as valid as yours is. As others have pointed out, IU was going to make the tourney and virtually no one would have fired him at that point. SD then fired him after the next season of underachieving.
Complete total BS. Sure he could have been fired. Where do you get this crap.
Likely a 10 seed.
Fans like to create as they go...so to speak.
People get on FG but forget he wanted to move on Crean earlier than when he was allowed to by the BOT and now they get on Scott while forgetting that he pulled the trigger on AM a full year before anyone expected it to happen.
People forget the AD can’t just hire and fire who they want. FG hands were tied a few times.
We shouldn't care what Duke or anyone else does. WE are responsible for our own integrity and honor. When we know a rule, yet intentionally violate it and attempt to mislead about that violation we have no complaint about the consequences. We were crazy for having hired Sampson in the first place and we got exactly what we earned. The university knew about him and hired him knowing. The penalty isn't the issue. Dishonestly in IU's name is.
We took a risk but so do most schools. You think Xavier hiring Sean Miller is not a huge risk? The Jesuit school hires a super shady guy ? I mean if you really want to go down that road you really think Knight was some sort of holier than thou guy? He graduated players but he stuffed cops in garbage cans, threw chairs, threw plants, slammed phones, threw clipboards, cursed like a druken sailor, etc so do not tell me he was some sort of saint. He was basically a jerk and if he had not been winning like he was no way he would have lasted.
Why waste a post attacking RMK. That wasn't the issue. Sampson's dishonesty and IUs stupidity in considering him is the topic. He's as dishonest as ever. Once you lie, you're a liar. Once you cheat, you're a cheater. That has nothing to do with Bob Knight.
We didn't "take a risk" with Sampson. We knew for sure that he was a cheater. We hired him knowing he was a cheater. The only risk we took was if we could cover it up. No risk there - Sampson was a sure thing, We're not "most schools". We're IU. We shouldn't be stooping to that level.
I am not attacking Knight the point is IU was not this holier than thou institution some of you make them out to be. They looked the other way for decades because we won. The first people to trash Sampson are the first ones to defend everthing knight did including the reed incident. I am not trying to trash Knight just pointing out it is selective outrage for some.
And what about Creans? Guys running over other players with cars, drug use, etc. Pretty sure some shady recruiting stuff was going on with guys like Bryant, etc. Again selective outrage.
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No doubt our administration made idiotic decisions around that whole thing. Nothing to be done now except move forward, and I think we have the right leadership in place to make very good progress.
Can you AT LEAST get things right?
RMK never stuffed a cop in a garbage can.
Good grief.
An another thing, RMK never cheated. Something Sampson can't say. Compared to Sampson, RMK was a saint.
Sampson would probably jump at the chance to come back, if given the opportunity.
They did well after he left. Did he have a really good assistant coach at Dayton that interacted with the players?
Archie's shooting drill video is a cult classic.
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Not quite as well. One season was good. Last two were below Archie’s level.They did well after he left. Did he have a really good assistant coach at Dayton that interacted with the players?
Archie's shooting drill video is a cult classic.
Google is your friend. Look them up yourself. He failed as a coach off the court...rules, academics, etc. Failure all around.
Right, OK. He’s been a head coach since 1981. He’s “lead” Oklahoma and Houston to a final four. He has only been fired from one job in forty years (Indiana). Those are facts.
Really? I thought for certain he led Oklahoma into sanctions for impermissible contact with recruits, did the same at iU, and was alleged that his players at IU were not making grades and had drug problems. Are these not facts? Great coach, don't you think? By the way, how did he earn the "show clause from the NC2A? Facts.
It’s fact that both universities had sanctions. What was “alleged” is not fact. I allege that Indiana admin didn’t like him, so they found cause to terminate his contract. They then went on to hire Tom Crean, so I also allege that they were incompetent. Sampson’s reputation for drugs were so damning that he subsequently landed two assistant jobs in the NBA.
You project the facts that you want. He was fired from OK, he was fired from IU, and he was given a "show clause" by the NC2A. He landed jobs in the NBA as he could not coach in the NC2A due to the show clause. Is that so hard to comprehend? I mark these conversations as I would never buy a used car from you based on the lack of integrity...sort of like Sampson.
He was not fired from Oklahoma. And everyone knows when you get fired in the NCAA the natural progression is to go to the NBA. It’s ironic you feel so safe shopping at Greenspan’s car lot.
2000-2004: Oklahoma head basketball coach Kelvin Sampson and his staff make 577 impermissible phone calls.
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