Looking at college basketball big picture

[82hoosier]

Reading about the run that St Peters made: Holloway's salary was something like $260,000 a year. Calipari's $7+ million salary is larger that the athletic department budget of St. Peters.

For the past 20 years IU has been ratcheting up all coaching salaries in order to remain competitive. Crean and Archie were paid many millions of dollars to be fired for performing well below expectations. Woody is now being paid comparable money to right the sinking ship. Pragmatically IU did not have a choice.
Dane Fife was making about $350,000, the other coaches didn't listen to him and now he is going to be paid another years salary to go away.
Private financing groups are now popping up so that student athletes can be compensated more fairly. Some might get $10,000 but some will make closer to $500,000 or more.
And how is this being financed? In part by asking you for donations! And by raising the cost of a college education. Thank God two guys ponied up $10 million for Archie so that he can now be paid to fail at Rhode Island. His new contract is back-ended do that he can double-dip.hetting paid by both schools.

If I recall correctly, IU athletics lost $25 million for the most recent Covid year. So my question is: Where does this end?

I think this that college athletics is now officially broken. Don't get me started on AAU basketball. Also it's just a matter of time before schools have an epiphany and give substantial college credit to athletes for being on a team. Maybe it's time to start following the G-league.

 

[IUNorth]

Reading about the run that St Peters made: Holloway's salary was something like $260,000 a year. Calipari's $7+ million salary is larger that the athletic department budget of St. Peters.

For the past 20 years IU has been ratcheting up all coaching salaries in order to remain competitive. Crean and Archie were paid many millions of dollars to be fired for performing well below expectations. Woody is now being paid comparable money to right the sinking ship. Pragmatically IU did not have a choice.
Dane Fife was making about $350,000, the other coaches didn't listen to him and now he is going to be paid another years salary to go away.
Private financing groups are now popping up so that student athletes can be compensated more fairly. Some might get $10,000 but some will make closer to $500,000 or more.
And how is this being financed? In part by asking you for donations! And by raising the cost of a college education. Thank God two guys ponied up $10 million for Archie so that he can now be paid to fail at Rhode Island. His new contract is back-ended do that he can double-dip.hetting paid by both schools.

If I recall correctly, IU athletics lost $25 million for the most recent Covid year. So my question is: Where does this end?

I think this that college athletics is now officially broken. Don't get me started on AAU basketball. Also it's just a matter of time before schools have an epiphany and give substantial college credit to athletes for being on a team. Maybe it's time to start following the G-league.

The genie is out of the bottle, for sure. There are a lot of very broken systems in the world right now. To me, that's now baked into the cake. I have no idea how college basketball can be "fixed". Or even in the big scheme of things, if it needs to be fixed. There are so many other F'd up things going on. At least college basketball provides relatively good entertainment to become emotionally involved in, and to look forward to and follow.

So I'd say, figure out how to manage the money as well as can possibly be done. Always keep striving to keep the competition as fair as possible. And always keep striving to improve the experience for players and fans. As long as all the decision makers are at least attempting to balance those things with the ultimate motivator...money...I'll probably always be a huge college basketball fan.

 

[IUHoopster]

This is the G League. With this amount of money flowing through college sports, and how it is increasing with the NIL, student-athlete is becoming an archaic term.

 

[SouthBendJim]

This is the G League. With this amount of money flowing through college sports, and how it is increasing with the NIL, student-athlete is becoming an archaic term.

NCAA has screwed things up royally with the NIL rule.

Grifters will be on campus at KU, UK, UNC, Duke and a few others with bags of NIL money, and those are the teams you will see in the FF year after year after year.

Won't be watching the final four or championship game. Same old same old teams as usual. Get used to it, it's the future of college sports.

 

[birdforbogey]

NCAA has screwed things up royally with the NIL rule.

Grifters will be on campus at KU, UK, UNC, Duke and a few others with bags of NIL money, and those are the teams you will see in the FF year after year after year.

Won't be watching the final four or championship game. Same old same old teams as usual. Get used to it, it's the future of college sports.

I thought good ol IU was out front on the NIL program and all that stuff? They not?

 

[ams66]

This is the G League. With this amount of money flowing through college sports, and how it is increasing with the NIL, student-athlete is becoming an archaic term.

Yeah I agree. I don't know anything about the Fife situation and if he was so far off the same page with Woodson that they could not work towards the same goals, then he should be gone. But I probably agree with him on NIL.

It is what it is and IU has to have their seat at the table, but if I wanted to watch paid basketball players I would watch the NBA.

 

[82IU]

NCAA has screwed things up royally with the NIL rule.

Grifters will be on campus at KU, UK, UNC, Duke and a few others with bags of NIL money, and those are the teams you will see in the FF year after year after year.

Won't be watching the final four or championship game. Same old same old teams as usual. Get used to it, it's the future of college sports.

Kind of like College Football. Same few programs making the Playoffs. At least with Basketball they have 68 teams playing in a tournament for the slightest chance of seeing an "Underdog" making it through. In football right now 98% of the teams don't have a Snowball's Chance of ever getting a sniff. Football needs to change the system to at least an 8 team field and I really would love to see a 16 team playoff.
82

 

[Tscurlo]

The genie is out of the bottle, for sure. There are a lot of very broken systems in the world right now. To me, that's now baked into the cake. I have no idea how college basketball can be "fixed". Or even in the big scheme of things, if it needs to be fixed. There are so many other F'd up things going on. At least college basketball provides relatively good entertainment to become emotionally involved in, and to look forward to and follow.

So I'd say, figure out how to manage the money as well as can possibly be done. Always keep striving to keep the competition as fair as possible. And always keep striving to improve the experience for players and fans. As long as all the decision makers are at least attempting to balance those things with the ultimate motivator...money...I'll probably always be a huge college basketball fan.

IUN.... I'm not speaking specifically to your comments.... the following is just my personal opinion.

But to me.... with all the stuff that's going on.... College Basketball is just the JV team to NBA Basketball.

I HATE NBA BASKETBALL..... so in turn.... I am now starting to HATE college basketball.

They've taken a good thing and ruined it. Also.... some of the players in the State Finals this weekend
were wearing headbands (minus logos).... which reminds me of Curbelo from ILL. So they are already
mimicking College and NBA in High School. If they are using the headbands to hold back their hair...
high school coaches need to reinstate the old no hair below the ears and clean cut rules of OLD DAYS.

Or.... maybe I'm just getting too old!!!! LOLOLOLOL

 

[kkott]

IUN.... I'm not speaking specifically to your comments.... the following is just my personal opinion.

But to me.... with all the stuff that's going on.... College Basketball is just the JV team to NBA Basketball.

I HATE NBA BASKETBALL..... so in turn.... I am now starting to HATE college basketball.

They've taken a good thing and ruined it. Also.... some of the players in the State Finals this weekend
were wearing headbands (minus logos).... which reminds me of Curbelo from ILL. So they are already
mimicking College and NBA in High School. If they are using the headbands to hold back their hair...
high school coaches need to reinstate the old clean cut and shaven rules of OLD DAYS.

Or.... maybe I'm just getting too old!!!! LOLOLOLOL

headbands? They were wearing headbands? I say, cut off their heads; that'll take care of that headband problem!

 

[BCCHoosier]

NCAA has screwed things up royally with the NIL rule.

Grifters will be on campus at KU, UK, UNC, Duke and a few others with bags of NIL money, and those are the teams you will see in the FF year after year after year.

Won't be watching the final four or championship game. Same old same old teams as usual. Get used to it, it's the future of college sports.

I fear you are right.

 

[RBB89]

IUN.... I'm not speaking specifically to your comments.... the following is just my personal opinion.

But to me.... with all the stuff that's going on.... College Basketball is just the JV team to NBA Basketball.

I HATE NBA BASKETBALL..... so in turn.... I am now starting to HATE college basketball.

They've taken a good thing and ruined it. Also.... some of the players in the State Finals this weekend
were wearing headbands (minus logos).... which reminds me of Curbelo from ILL. So they are already
mimicking College and NBA in High School. If they are using the headbands to hold back their hair...
high school coaches need to reinstate the old no hair below the ears and clean cut rules of OLD DAYS.

Or.... maybe I'm just getting too old!!!! LOLOLOLOL

Oh for the love of god

 

[Fpeaugh2]

Classic get off my lawn blind post.

Who is in the Final Four? Nova, UNC, Duke, Kansas. Four blue bloods. Four programs who prioritize winning. Four of the top 6-7 recruiting teams year in and year out.

It’s not rocket science people. Forget Martha the Mop Lady. Forget our lame traditions and living in 1974. Forget cheesy sayings like “lock down the state” or “get old stay old”. Forget the morally superior arrogance.

We have not been able to consistently recruit elite rosters. That’s it. Forget everything else. It’s not easy but it is quite simple.

 

[benhyoung14]

AM contract was paid for by boosters, not the AD. As far as I know, the NIL deals are paid for by a third party, say Mark Cuban.

 

[bawlmer]

NCAA has screwed things up royally with the NIL rule.

Grifters will be on campus at KU, UK, UNC, Duke and a few others with bags of NIL money, and those are the teams you will see in the FF year after year after year.

Won't be watching the final four or championship game. Same old same old teams as usual. Get used to it, it's the future of college sports.

Disagree about NIL. It puts the compensation deals above board, so programs trying to do the right thing aren't at a disadvantage to cheating programs. And it may help keep players from jumping prematurely to the pros to get cash flow. Those are the 2 biggest negatives for college basketball right now, so NIL will at least help. Not to mention putting some cash in the players' pockets (is that really so bad?).

 

[IUNorth]

Classic get off my lawn blind post.

Who is in the Final Four? Nova, UNC, Duke, Kansas. Four blue bloods. Four programs who prioritize winning. Four of the top 6-7 recruiting teams year in and year out.

It’s not rocket science people. Forget Martha the Mop Lady. Forget our lame traditions and living in 1974. Forget cheesy sayings like “lock down the state” or “get old stay old”. Forget the morally superior arrogance.

We have not been able to consistently recruit elite rosters. That’s it. Forget everything else. It’s not easy but it is quite simple.

No need to forget the things you mention. They're great. We all love them. Some of those things don't lead to being competitive in todays world. Some would. "Locking down the state", to me, would mean getting a couple of the top kids every year from the state of Indiana. Indiana is still a hotbed for talent, so that would help us become more talented. Get old, stay old...really the only 2 programs have any sort of national success being led by younger kids these days are Duke and Kentucky. The overwhelming majority of programs that are winning at the highest levels, especially since the changes to transfer rules, are teams that are "Old". So yes, get old/stay old, is a viable strategy.

We can all watch Martha videos, we can be proud of the Candy Stripes, but we can't even entertain the notion that those things carry any weight, at all, with kids now a days. Their benefit to our wins/losses, are becoming much less direct every day.

 

[IUHoopster]

IUN.... I'm not speaking specifically to your comments.... the following is just my personal opinion.

But to me.... with all the stuff that's going on.... College Basketball is just the JV team to NBA Basketball.

I HATE NBA BASKETBALL..... so in turn.... I am now starting to HATE college basketball.

They've taken a good thing and ruined it. Also.... some of the players in the State Finals this weekend
were wearing headbands (minus logos).... which reminds me of Curbelo from ILL. So they are already
mimicking College and NBA in High School. If they are using the headbands to hold back their hair...
high school coaches need to reinstate the old no hair below the ears and clean cut rules of OLD DAYS.

Or.... maybe I'm just getting too old!!!! LOLOLOLOL

Some of the hairstyles remind me of the Star Wars bar scene.

Maybe it’s just jealousy as Ive always been follically-challenged.

 

[T.M.P.]

were wearing headbands

the horror ...

 

[Hoosier Hacker]

IUN.... I'm not speaking specifically to your comments.... the following is just my personal opinion.

But to me.... with all the stuff that's going on.... College Basketball is just the JV team to NBA Basketball.

I HATE NBA BASKETBALL..... so in turn.... I am now starting to HATE college basketball.

They've taken a good thing and ruined it. Also.... some of the players in the State Finals this weekend
were wearing headbands (minus logos).... which reminds me of Curbelo from ILL. So they are already
mimicking College and NBA in High School. If they are using the headbands to hold back their hair...
high school coaches need to reinstate the old no hair below the ears and clean cut rules of OLD DAYS.

Or.... maybe I'm just getting too old!!!! LOLOLOLOL

Cornrow debate in 3...2...1...

 

[Radio Zero]

Dean Garrett was a guy who could have really *used* a headband.

Buckets, man, buckets.

 

[go_iu]

NCAA has screwed things up royally with the NIL rule.

Grifters will be on campus at KU, UK, UNC, Duke and a few others with bags of NIL money, and those are the teams you will see in the FF year after year after year.

Won't be watching the final four or championship game. Same old same old teams as usual. Get used to it, it's the future of college sports.

I think there are still honorable programs and I think our BBall is trying to stay that way, despite a lot of issues with off court behavior that happened under holy Crean after his baptism of the program. I hear things, and what I heard today has nothing to do with Bball, but another sport. Can't say much more, but it's not good, no scandal, or violations, just not what you want you want to hear because we haven't had that spirit here since 1968

 

[BaxterIU]

Classic get off my lawn blind post.

Who is in the Final Four? Nova, UNC, Duke, Kansas. Four blue bloods. Four programs who prioritize winning. Four of the top 6-7 recruiting teams year in and year out.

It’s not rocket science people. Forget Martha the Mop Lady. Forget our lame traditions and living in 1974. Forget cheesy sayings like “lock down the state” or “get old stay old”. Forget the morally superior arrogance.

We have not been able to consistently recruit elite rosters. That’s it. Forget everything else. It’s not easy but it is quite simple.

“Forget the morally superior arrogance.”
We would love to do so but you continue to post.

 

[MIS01]

I think there are still honorable programs and I think our BBall is trying to stay that way, despite a lot of issues with off court behavior that happened under holy Crean after his baptism of the program. I hear things, and what I heard today has nothing to do with Bball, but another sport. Can't say much more, but it's not good, no scandal, or violations, just not what you want you want to hear because we haven't had that spirit here since 1968

Is this a mens team or a womens team?

 

[SouthBendJim]

You do realize how inappropriate this phrase is, right?

Just paraphrasing someone else.

Get a life.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Is this a mens team or a womens team?

Good question