Let's talk about Fife........

[mushroomgod_1]

It's been 18 years.....I've forgiven him for forcing Davis on us...........

It seems like the first question to be answered right now is.....Knight connection or not?

We've tried three 'outsiders' in a row......none have hit the mark......all 3 were supported by the fan base and seemingly had all the resources necessary to succeed. They all failed, for different reasons.

I don't blame the Adm. for not hiring a Knight connection to this point, even had they wanted to, which they didn't. Alford, Wittman and Woodson never really cut it as potential replacements.

We got rid of the cheater and got the used car salesman, because he was 'clean'. We got rid of the used car salesman and got a little Napoleon because he was perceived to be competent. He ended up more General Burnside than Napoleon.

So.....this seems like the last time a Knight connection would be relevant. Most of the true Knight haters are dead or no longer important. Buckner is on the B of Ds.

I wish that Knight connection would be Beard. He's an absolute no brainer if he was interested and if we were willing to pay the $. In all likelihood the answer to both those questions is "no". As to other potential "big names", for the first time, I agree with the posters who say this position has lost a lot of luster. Obviously we can get plenty of guys if we want to throw out $5-6M/year. We thought we were getting a tiger for $3.5M....we got a reluctant teddy bear. In retrospect, that is clear from his introduction forward. So....whoever we get for $4M, we need to first need to make sure he really WANTS the damn job v. just getting into a higher tax bracket.

So what about Fife? Definitely not a sure thing. The IPFW record was mixed. .458 overall, .524 in conference. But.....the guy before him was at .252. In his first year there, they went from 7-22 to 10-18. Not a miracle worker, but not bad. His last year there they were 18-10, their best record as a D1 program. In a league that makes 0 sense for them.

The guys who followed Dane have done slightly better, but not anything of significance.

Izzo saw enough in him to hire him, and then make him associate head coach. By all accounts, he plays an important role there. Perhaps he's in line to follow Izzo and wouldn't even be interested. But......I would think he'd be one of 2-3 guys a new AD would want to talk to.

Thoughts?

 

[cryano]

It's been 18 years.....I've forgiven him for forcing Davis on us...........

It seems like the first question to be answered right now is.....Knight connection or not?

We've tried three 'outsiders' in a row......none have hit the mark......all 3 were supported by the fan base and seemingly had all the resources necessary to succeed. They all failed, for different reasons.

I don't blame the Adm. for not hiring a Knight connection to this point, even had they wanted to, which they didn't. Alford, Wittman and Woodson never really cut it as potential replacements.

We got rid of the cheater and got the used car salesman, because he was 'clean'. We got rid of the used car salesman and got a little Napoleon because he was perceived to be competent. He ended up more General Burnside than Napoleon.

So.....this seems like the last time a Knight connection would be relevant. Most of the true Knight haters are dead or no longer important. Buckner is on the B of Ds.

I wish that Knight connection would be Beard. He's an absolute no brainer if he was interested and if we were willing to pay the $. In all likelihood the answer to both those questions is "no". As to other potential "big names", for the first time, I agree with the posters who say this position has lost a lot of luster. Obviously we can get plenty of guys if we want to throw out $5-6M/year. We thought we were getting a tiger for $3.5M....we got a reluctant teddy bear. In retrospect, that is clear from his introduction forward. So....whoever we get for $4M, we need to first need to make sure he really WANTS the damn job v. just getting into a higher tax bracket.

So what about Fife? Definitely not a sure thing. The IPFW record was mixed. .458 overall, .524 in conference. But.....the guy before him was at .252. In his first year there, they went from 7-22 to 10-18. Not a miracle worker, but not bad. His last year there they were 18-10, their best record as a D1 program. In a league that makes 0 sense for them.

The guys who followed Dane have done slightly better, but not anything of significance.

Izzo saw enough in him to hire him, and then make him associate head coach. By all accounts, he plays an important role there. Perhaps he's in line to follow Izzo and wouldn't even be interested. But......I would think he'd be one of 2-3 guys a new AD would want to talk to.

Thoughts?

Get Fife, keep Roberts and hire Michael Lewis too...

 

[Davehack]

It's been 18 years.....I've forgiven him for forcing Davis on us...........

It seems like the first question to be answered right now is.....Knight connection or not?

We've tried three 'outsiders' in a row......none have hit the mark......all 3 were supported by the fan base and seemingly had all the resources necessary to succeed. They all failed, for different reasons.

I don't blame the Adm. for not hiring a Knight connection to this point, even had they wanted to, which they didn't. Alford, Wittman and Woodson never really cut it as potential replacements.

We got rid of the cheater and got the used car salesman, because he was 'clean'. We got rid of the used car salesman and got a little Napoleon because he was perceived to be competent. He ended up more General Burnside than Napoleon.

So.....this seems like the last time a Knight connection would be relevant. Most of the true Knight haters are dead or no longer important. Buckner is on the B of Ds.

I wish that Knight connection would be Beard. He's an absolute no brainer if he was interested and if we were willing to pay the $. In all likelihood the answer to both those questions is "no". As to other potential "big names", for the first time, I agree with the posters who say this position has lost a lot of luster. Obviously we can get plenty of guys if we want to throw out $5-6M/year. We thought we were getting a tiger for $3.5M....we got a reluctant teddy bear. In retrospect, that is clear from his introduction forward. So....whoever we get for $4M, we need to first need to make sure he really WANTS the damn job v. just getting into a higher tax bracket.

So what about Fife? Definitely not a sure thing. The IPFW record was mixed. .458 overall, .524 in conference. But.....the guy before him was at .252. In his first year there, they went from 7-22 to 10-18. Not a miracle worker, but not bad. His last year there they were 18-10, their best record as a D1 program. In a league that makes 0 sense for them.

The guys who followed Dane have done slightly better, but not anything of significance.

Izzo saw enough in him to hire him, and then make him associate head coach. By all accounts, he plays an important role there. Perhaps he's in line to follow Izzo and wouldn't even be interested. But......I would think he'd be one of 2-3 guys a new AD would want to talk to.

Thoughts?

On your 1st point about forcing Davis on us, loyalty towards a coach is a very good thing. May have had a big impact how the 2002 season turned out. Something I'm not sure our players have as much of this year or last.

 

[iubud]

He has never been the leader of a P5 conference program. I would expect growing pains as he learns how to be the head coach. We need a person that brings experience and proven ability. I like Fife, but we aren't the best place for him at this time.

 

[jacksback]

This is beyond stupid. Fife has done absolutely nothing to be in this discussion other than play for IU. There are at least 500 other assistant coaches out there with similar credentials. Should we consider them too?

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

He has never been the leader of a P5 conference program. I would expect growing pains as he learns how to be the head coach. We need a person that brings experience and proven ability. I like Fife, but we aren't the best place for him at this time.

agree totally...IU isn't a place to learn as you go for the next coach. They have to hit the ground running and kick ass/take names. The fan base is proving that they are no longer in a patient mood. The next coach has to have a deep resume and removed the training wheels a long time ago. Otherwise they will wither under the pressure quickly (like Mike Davis did)

 

[meenie]

He doesn't seem very intelligent.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

On your 1st point about forcing Davis on us, loyalty towards a coach is a very good thing. May have had a big impact how the 2002 season turned out. Something I'm not sure our players have as much of this year or last.

I don't disagree with that.....in any event, I'm not sure what coach either associated or unassociated with RMK would have immediately jumped right into that fire........that's why I think the crucial screw up was hiring Sampson, not Davis...............

 

[mushroomgod_1]

This is beyond stupid. Fife has done absolutely nothing to be in this discussion other than play for IU. There are at least 500 other assistant coaches out there with similar credentials. Should we consider them too?

Being the associate HC at a program that has been far and away the most successful program in the BT during his stay is hardly "nothing". And he din't just 'play for IU' ala a Mike Roberts. He was a fricking McDonald's AA, and was a major factor in leading a Mike Davis coached team (yes a Mike Davis coached team) to a championship game.

 

[CC Mac]

No no no to Fife,good lord the guy has done nothing to warrant a B10 head coaching job,let alone IU.

 

[hurryin76hoosier]

Get Fife, keep Roberts and hire Michael Lewis too...

Why'd you leave out tommy cloverdale, dawg? He white, too.

 

[JIMSHAM]

It's been 18 years.....I've forgiven him for forcing Davis on us...........

It seems like the first question to be answered right now is.....Knight connection or not?

We've tried three 'outsiders' in a row......none have hit the mark......all 3 were supported by the fan base and seemingly had all the resources necessary to succeed. They all failed, for different reasons.

I don't blame the Adm. for not hiring a Knight connection to this point, even had they wanted to, which they didn't. Alford, Wittman and Woodson never really cut it as potential replacements.

We got rid of the cheater and got the used car salesman, because he was 'clean'. We got rid of the used car salesman and got a little Napoleon because he was perceived to be competent. He ended up more General Burnside than Napoleon.

So.....this seems like the last time a Knight connection would be relevant. Most of the true Knight haters are dead or no longer important. Buckner is on the B of Ds.

I wish that Knight connection would be Beard. He's an absolute no brainer if he was interested and if we were willing to pay the $. In all likelihood the answer to both those questions is "no". As to other potential "big names", for the first time, I agree with the posters who say this position has lost a lot of luster. Obviously we can get plenty of guys if we want to throw out $5-6M/year. We thought we were getting a tiger for $3.5M....we got a reluctant teddy bear. In retrospect, that is clear from his introduction forward. So....whoever we get for $4M, we need to first need to make sure he really WANTS the damn job v. just getting into a higher tax bracket.

So what about Fife? Definitely not a sure thing. The IPFW record was mixed. .458 overall, .524 in conference. But.....the guy before him was at .252. In his first year there, they went from 7-22 to 10-18. Not a miracle worker, but not bad. His last year there they were 18-10, their best record as a D1 program. In a league that makes 0 sense for them.

The guys who followed Dane have done slightly better, but not anything of significance.

Izzo saw enough in him to hire him, and then make him associate head coach. By all accounts, he plays an important role there. Perhaps he's in line to follow Izzo and wouldn't even be interested. But......I would think he'd be one of 2-3 guys a new AD would want to talk to.

Thoughts?

There is absolutely no evidence that Fife would be successful at IU. A connection to the Knight era is way to far in the rear view to be of any relevance. He might be but it would be the type of roll of the dice that so many on here spend most of their day ranting about. The hiring of Miller had much more merit at the time than a Fife hiring would have now. I am not one that believes that if another coach is hired would have to be an existing superstar that so many on here contend we could hire if we would spend enough but please give me someone with more on the resume than being a fiery former hoosier.

 

[Radio Zero]

Good post.

 

[cryano]

Why'd you leave out tommy cloverdale, dawg? He white, too.

Because he is an insurance salesman...not a D1 asst coach.

 

[birdforbogey]

Bernard P Fife

 

[victorbear]

Being the associate HC at a program that has been far and away the most successful program in the BT during his stay is hardly "nothing". And he din't just 'play for IU' ala a Mike Roberts. He was a fricking McDonald's AA, and was a major factor in leading a Mike Davis coached team (yes a Mike Davis coached team) to a championship game.

No FIFE

 

[abraxis]

I don't disagree with that.....in any event, I'm not sure what coach either associated or unassociated with RMK would have immediately jumped right into that fire........that's why I think the crucial screw up was hiring Sampson, not Davis...............

There was a time here for Alford's hire but it has come and gone. A window of opportunity missed. I don't think they even offered him the courtesy of an interview, which seems a bit odd for a favorite son. Even if he hadn't worked out, it would have us in no worse position than we are today and maybe even better.

 

[JIMSHAM]

Being the associate HC at a program that has been far and away the most successful program in the BT during his stay is hardly "nothing". And he din't just 'play for IU' ala a Mike Roberts. He was a fricking McDonald's AA, and was a major factor in leading a Mike Davis coached team (yes a Mike Davis coached team) to a championship game.

One could contend that MSU has done worse since he has been there. Has he been there for a final four?

 

[fkfootball]

Kevin Williard is growing on me. Man his teams play their ass off.

 

[fkfootball]

But if I’m being honest. It’s Gregg Marshall or Chris Beard for me. If we don’t hurry, they’ll be at Duke and UNC.

 

[13thman]

We ain't hiring no coach that fouls a 3 point shooter with a 4 point lead. vbg

 

[victorbear]

Kevin Williard is growing on me. Man his teams play their ass off.

Yes I like that guy though he got killed by Rutgers

 

[victorbear]

But if I’m being honest. It’s Gregg Marshall or Chris Beard for me. If we don’t hurry, they’ll be at Duke and UNC.

If Duke were smart they’d hire Chris Collins

 

[BayernFan]

where is wojo these days? Dawkins?

 

[mushroomgod_1]

But if I’m being honest. It’s Gregg Marshall or Chris Beard for me. If we don’t hurry, they’ll be at Duke and UNC.

Beard's the best guy. I'm assuming we can't/won't get him.

As for Marshall......is there anything wrong with him other than a crazy wife? If not, I'd take him as well.

 

[Al Bino]

Beard's the best guy. I'm assuming we can't/won't get him.

As for Marshall......is there anything wrong with him other than a crazy wife? If not, I'd take him as well.

Why would you think either would come here?

Beard is a TT guy. Can't see him leaving.

Isn't Marshall paid well and he is a big fish in a little pond. Doubt he would want the pressure at IU.

 

[go_iu]

agree totally...IU isn't a place to learn as you go for the next coach. They have to hit the ground running and kick ass/take names. The fan base is proving that they are no longer in a patient mood. The next coach has to have a deep resume and removed the training wheels a long time ago. Otherwise they will wither under the pressure quickly (like Mike Davis did)

Agree, I prefer Matta or Marshall as realistic proven options, but I'd take Fife on the cheap as a known interim option for next year, then he moves back to lead asst. here (knowing that's part of the gig guaranteed is he doesn't hit a home run somehow). If he'd agree and it would somehow make Archie disappear sooner than later, I could live with giving him a chance due to get some HC experience. I do think one day he is going to be one of our better options long term, might as well kick the tires on that

 

[JIMSHAM]

Agree, I prefer Matta or Marshall as realistic proven options, but I'd take Fife on the cheap as a known interim option for next year, then he moves back to lead asst. here (knowing that's part of the gig guaranteed is he doesn't hit a home run somehow). If he'd agree and it would somehow make Archie disappear sooner than later, I could live with giving him a chance due to get some HC experience. I do think one day he is going to be one of our better options long term, might as well kick the tires on that

That is one of the most unrealistic scenarios I have ever heard.

 

[cryano]

So Fife is good enough to be viewed as Izzo’s replacement to the Head Coach at MichSt...but also at same time not ready to be Archie’s replacement at IU?

Interesting...

 

[go_iu]

That is one of the most unrealistic scenarios I have ever heard.

Why? big pay raise (maybe bump him to $750 or $1M), do good you get to keep it and get even more. Not so great, and we can't give you the permanent job, but same money and you get to stay on as top assistant at your alma mater either way guaranteed. It'd be like betting on yourself for a head coaching position here with a raise, guarantee you got a job because nobody expects things to be great next year, and worst case you have to defer to a better coach and be a top assistant even if you don't meet expectations, which would be pretty low.

 

[Jg48]

Why? big pay raise (maybe bump him to $750 or $1M), do good you get to keep it and get even more. Not so great, and we can't give you the permanent job, but same money and you get to stay on as top assistant at your alma mater either way guaranteed. It'd be like betting on yourself for a head coaching position here with a raise, guarantee you got a job because nobody expects things to be great next year, and worst case you have to defer to a better coach and be a top assistant even if you don't meet expectations, which would be pretty low.

Please stop digging. The hole is already deep enough. If you keep going you'll never be able to get out.

 

[go_iu]

Please stop digging. The hole is already deep enough. If you keep going you'll never be able to get out.

It's really not unprecedented, you really think Painter loved his year under Keady as the understudy when they were basically forcing Keady out and was already known Painter was really the coach … that's kind of the opposite for us if it would work, but Painter's still their coach and a weird situation like that worked out well for them

 

[Jg48]

It's really not unprecedented, you really think Painter loved his year under Keady as the understudy when they were basically forcing Keady out and was already known Painter was really the coach … that's kind of the opposite for us if it would work, but Painter's still their coach and a weird situation like that worked out well for them

Well okay, let me know when you get to China.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Why would you think either would come here?

Beard is a TT guy. Can't see him leaving.

Isn't Marshall paid well and he is a big fish in a little pond. Doubt he would want the pressure at IU.

I said I assume Beard would not come here. I would still ask.

I don't know about Marshall.....why he's stayed there......I'm asking whether the crazy wife thing has scared others away.

 

[cryano]

I said I assume Beard would not come here. I would still ask.

I don't know about Marshall.....why he's stayed there......I'm asking whether the crazy wife thing has scared others away.

Marshall makes almost as much as Archie...can win at Witchita St in conference and in post-season gets to postseason...fans expect a lot but also don’t expect him to be fired for a year like last year...
Why would he want to leave that? What advantages does IU offer? Better in-conference schedule - thats all I can think of.
BBall is king at school of the Shockers...they have no football!

 

[T.M.P.]

But if I’m being honest. It’s Gregg Marshall or Chris Beard for me. If we don’t hurry, they’ll be at Duke and UNC.

Duke and UNC? Dane Fife as an interim?

You guys are fking stupid ..

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Marshall makes almost as much as Archie...can win at Witchita St in conference and in post-season gets to postseason...fans expect a lot but also don’t expect him to be fired for a year like last year...
Why would he want to leave that? What advantages does IU offer? Better in-conference schedule - thats all I can think of.
BBall is king at school of the Shockers...they have no football!

Why? To have a chance at winning a NC.....and a better chance at getting to the EE/FF.

It is still a big fish in a small pond......he could be a bigger fish in a bigger pond.

And I don't buy the "how horrible it is to coach at IU" business......it is only if you fail for three years in a row.......Archie was hardly on the hot seat until this year, nor REALLY bad until the Purdue game........Crean was popular for years.

 

[T.M.P.]

And I don't buy the "how horrible it is to coach at IU" business

We have a student bill of rights. We turned in our own coach for minor infractions and basically gave ourselves the death penalty. We have a known radio host claiming that our coach can't discipline players and we have a very passionate but toxic and vocal fanbase with delusional expectations.

This is not a good job at this stage. From administration on down it's built to fail.

 

[victorbear]

We have a student bill of rights. We turned in our own coach for minor infractions and basically gave ourselves the death penalty. We have a known radio host claiming that our coach can't discipline players and we have a very passionate but toxic and vocal fanbase with delusional expectations.

This is not a good job at this stage. From administration on down it's built to fail.

Delusional expectations you mean making the NCAA? Yea ok

 

[snarlcakes]

We have a student bill of rights. We turned in our own coach for minor infractions and basically gave ourselves the death penalty. We have a known radio host claiming that our coach can't discipline players and we have a very passionate but toxic and vocal fanbase with delusional expectations.

This is not a good job at this stage. From administration on down it's built to fail.

Lol...A known radio host? Dakich is a known radio voice. I guess we have to believe everything he says now Archie has already ran 3 players off and hinted at a 4th today. The student bill isn’t that difficult to get around.

The only thing wrong with IU is they hire sh#%ty coaches. You’re more pathetic than IUscott.