Bring back the troughs.
Where we could get nine wide, we now have four urinals....four. The lines were horrendous.
Where we could get nine wide, we now have four urinals....four. The lines were horrendous.
Let's cut to the chase, the bathroom situation is a disaster
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In San Fran, they have multi sex bathrooms. You can take a dump in a stall next to the she-male standing up relieving him/herself at a urinal. It’s all good. Men, women and kids of all ages and genders milling around in the same area waiting to take their turns. I’m surprised they haven’t opened that up yet at The Rock?
Don’t worry there is a lot of p$&&ing and moaning on this thread to make up for it
Not sure where your seats are, mine are in sec 7, and yes they put only 4 urinals in outside that entry. It is my understanding that is due to ADA code, if you notice the bathroom entries were made wider also, but at least some of the bathrooms are still troughs. I walked down a couple entries and had no wait.
Fortunately not all have been “upgraded”. Walking to the older restrooms with troughs had no wait vs the “so awesome of improvement” ones with at least 50 people in line. Literally pissed away money and tried selling as improvement. Quicker to now walk several over for sure.
They may not have had a choice in the matter. Many states now prohibit the use of trough urinals. I believe that the 2015 Indiana Plumbing Code no longer allows them. So if they were renovating the bathrooms, they may have been forced to replace the troughs with urinals in order to pass inspection. The above poster is right also in that when you start doing any kind of construction in a public bathroom in a general admission setting, you have to bring it up to ADA (American with Disabilities Act) compliance, which means having at least one really big stall.
And I get that, what I don’t understand is they only put in FOUR urinals ?
I will admit to not knowing the ADA code for a public bathroom, but it seems they could have put in a dozen and still be compliant. They went to the trouble to move the urinals to the side where the sinks were and vice versa, again why ?
Maybe they didn’t have a choice so then comes the politically incorrect question... but really comes down to overkill on the regulations.
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My office does HVAC / Electrical / Plumbing design, but I'm the HVAC guy, so I only know some of the info. If I had to take a guess though, it's a capacity issue, not a compliance issue. When you have a trough, you get twelve guys peeing at the same time, you get about a gallon a minute (maybe 2gpm during a night game....
). With urinals, you get the pee and the flush itself, which is an additional 0.5 gallons per flush. So 4 urinals equals 4 flushes = 2 gallons per minute. The existing pipes can only take so much liquid at a time. So they were probably limited to 4 urinals in order to keep from ripping out all of the piping already in the walls / penetrating through the floors.Ah, the conversations that are had on message boards.
My office does HVAC / Electrical / Plumbing design, but I'm the HVAC guy, so I only know some of the info. If I had to take a guess though, it's a capacity issue, not a compliance issue. When you have a trough, you get twelve guys peeing at the same time, you get about a gallon a minute (maybe 2gpm during a night game....
Ah, the conversations that are had on message boards.
Awesome response!
This should be a case study in a production class.
Thanks for the inside information and the flush statistics. You're definitely a whiz in this area. Is the information generally available to the public or is it something you've leaked?My office does HVAC / Electrical / Plumbing design, but I'm the HVAC guy, so I only know some of the info. If I had to take a guess though, it's a capacity issue, not a compliance issue. When you have a trough, you get twelve guys peeing at the same time, you get about a gallon a minute (maybe 2gpm during a night game....
Ah, the conversations that are had on message boards.
I must confess I never really thought about urine capacity before. How does ours compare to other Big Ten stadiums? Are we Number One?
As I said, I'm an HVAC guy. I don't want to quote bad information that I have not specifically been trained on. I'm smart enough to know to get out of the conversation and to knew when urine over your head.
Makes sense I guess, but does it seem odd they moved the urinals from where the “troughs” used to be and put them on the other side of the room where the sinks used to be ? Then put in a couple sinks where the troughs were, seems like a lot of effort to make a bad situation worse.My office does HVAC / Electrical / Plumbing design, but I'm the HVAC guy, so I only know some of the info. If I had to take a guess though, it's a capacity issue, not a compliance issue. When you have a trough, you get twelve guys peeing at the same time, you get about a gallon a minute (maybe 2gpm during a night game....
Ah, the conversations that are had on message boards.
It’s truly unbelievable how no one thought of this beforehand.
Hey let’s get all of these tailgaters into the stadium and then not have a place to relieve themselves. Create a terrible experience so they don’t come back. Truly mind boggling how you can f this up so bad.
Hey let’s get all of these tailgaters into the stadium and then not have a place to relieve themselves. Create a terrible experience so they don’t come back. Truly mind boggling how you can f this up so bad.
My office does HVAC / Electrical / Plumbing design, but I'm the HVAC guy, so I only know some of the info. If I had to take a guess though, it's a capacity issue, not a compliance issue. When you have a trough, you get twelve guys peeing at the same time, you get about a gallon a minute (maybe 2gpm during a night game....
Ah, the conversations that are had on message boards.
Not only water capacity but real estate. They had a 9-man trough one stall and one sink. Now there are four urinlas, four sinks, two stalls and line way out the door. Maybe one more urinal could fit on the right side that's it.
Btw which sections did not "upgrade"? On the way out at halftime I walked all the way down to the south end and there were lines at every one. I used a women's potty trailer outside the entrance by the walk up window.
The problem is we don't have football only sewer drains.
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If you seriously want to know, I can try to inquire about it. There's a guy in the office who knows the plumbing code backwards and forwards who could possibly know why they switched sides. It may involve the water supply pipes (the trough probably only had a trickle water supply before) and they needed the bigger pipes previously going to the sinks for the urinal water flush supply amount? Hard to say without seeing the design drawings.
Sometimes, the engineers don't get to design the layout. For us, the majority of the time the architect makes the layouts. We just tell them whether they are meeting code requirements and the size of piping needed to support the fixtures they are specifying. The saying that goes around our office is "The architects make it pretty, we make it work." Unfortunately, crowd cycle-time is not really a factor in meeting code requirements.
I told my family ahead of time to pee outside the stadium in one of the porta potties before we went inside the stadium. Going to the bathroom at any function with thousands and thousands of gathered people is always a nightmare.
My problem with the trough deal is I can never get my stream started. It's such an unnatural environment to be urinating in, that I just sit their with my prick in my hand and no stream. Knowing there's 20 people behind me waiting to piss their pants isn't a good feeling when I can't get the stream going!!!
My problem with the trough deal is I can never get my stream started. It's such an unnatural environment to be urinating in, that I just sit their with my prick in my hand and no stream. Knowing there's 20 people behind me waiting to piss their pants isn't a good feeling when I can't get the stream going!!!
Or maybe the quality of our urine is inferior to that of other fan bases - - doesn't drain as well.
lol, my dad told me a long time ago, never get behind an old
man in the urinal line.
Thanks for bravely bringing this topic into the light of day (lol, kinda). I have this issue as well and I honestly think it dates back to my use of the troughs as an IU student. It has now carried over into sporting events at other, non-trough venues. (Have I been traumatized by the trough experience?!).I guess a benefit is that I definitely limit my fluid intake (alcohol and otherwise) at sporting events now so as to minimize trips to the restroom.
I really don't care about any lack of privacy or the "willy-watchers," but I feel like there's a subtle pressure to hurry up and vacate the area for someone else to move in. This, in turn, inhibits the ability to relax the urethra and go.
I just re-read what I wrote. I guess I've officially lost my mind. I'll leave it up, though, for any comic relief it might provide.
I read somewhere that it was all designed by Purdue engineers. I'll try to find the link and post.
Agreed, IU didn't do a national search for toilets, therefore they recruit inferior urine which is why IU can't have nice things.
Definitely some plumbing issues to be resolved before they start selling beer.
I made that comment in there to someone. They have 4 urinals on the wall with the two chitter stalls. If they moved the sinks back to the wall with the chitters, they would have room for 6-7 urinals instead of the 4 they have. Towel dispensers don't need to take up 8 feet of floor space. Half of you bastards don't wash your hands anyway.
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