That's okay, I forgive you. I felt the same while Clinton and Obama were reigning and I survived. You shall, too. Just turn your back, turn your collar to the wind and move along in silence, trying not to think at all. The Democrats will win again....someday, and on that glorious day the bitterness will end.
Knight Criticizes the Wizard
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Oh, believe it when I say "BK Theater" was overlooked because he was winning. I'll always remember a sports commentator saying that if Knight ever stopped winning at the high level he set, the fanbase would turn on him. It did. His antics are part of what made his coaching career here so much fun. There was never a dull moment and winning while doing it simply took it over the top, so to speak. I love Archie to pieces and want him to succeed. I'll be happy if he wins, but at the same time I know a lot of extra bonus coaching entertainment will never be there like it was when Knight was here. That's just based on Archie's demeanor, what little of him I've seen. He's not a natural smiler. It just doesn't appear to be a part of his personality like it is for some.
The point is that Knight's teams played disciplined ball. They did so because the methods Knight used were effective and likely because Knight was adept at reading and selecting recruits -- and their parents -- that weren't afraid of the authoritarian approach. Perhaps Coach Knight's players stayed cool and consistent in pressured situations precisely because they went thru them all the time.
Well, personally I couldn't care less, but the interview I watched said nothing in that regard. I'm not going to go scouring the internet looking for articles to try to prove Knight is some kind of saint. You obviously care more about his reputation that I do.
Seems to me that it's you that can't seem to get over it.
I read it in one of last week's copies of the IDS. It was about his recent Purdue visit with Keady. Now, regarding your post...
Then he should clarify his issues are not with the fans, but that would take someone with compassion and a temperament above that of a toddler.
Bob Knight did clarify that his issue is not with the fans. How do I know? I heard him say it while attending his "Farewell Speech" in Dunn Meadow. He thanked all the wonderful IU fans, making it clear that his problem was with the administration. FWIW, in the article it went on to describe the fateful meeting with the Harvey kid at AH. What pissed him off most was that the administration took the Harvey kid for his word over his, regarding his reprimand of the kid toward his disrespect toward adults. You're right though, I still haven't gotten over it and after last night's debacle, I'm still pissed as hell at Myles Brand and the rest of his spineless IU administration who supported the wrong guy in this "Zero Tolerance" bullshit.
ties our discussion back to politics. that's a funny thing that dumb, angry people like to do.
betcha you call everyone you know who can ready above an 8th grade level a COMMUNIST BERNIE SUPPORTER! lol
but your dream may come true: poor kids will probably lose free healthcare. that'll toughen them up!
The 19 year old legal adult that RMK reprimanded by grabbing him? The one he referred to in the Buck interview as a “son of a bitch” because he called Knight by his last name? You’re making excuses for a guy who acted like a fool and finally had to pay a price for it.
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My parents told me that if I get a spanking at school I would get it twice as bad when I got home. I got one spanking because I was throwing snow balls when I shouldn't and I hit the principal in the chest. I did get it once I got home. On a side note the principal used to be friends with my uncle. I threw his name out thinking the principal would let me go. Lol. Did not work.
I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding "Buck" interview, but if Knight did say that, I bet it was quoted AFTER he was fired. The quoted Knight in the IDS article (I can't find it now) did not include your "Buck" son of a bitch language. Now, you can believe the "adult" Harvey kid who upon graduation received a Mustang convertible (as did his twin brother) from their attorney uncle who had a long standing feud with Knight, or you can believe "that fool" Knight. Yes, according to both sources Knight grabbed his arm to get the disrespectful high school kid's attention, but remember, this was back in the day when grabbing a student's arm did not automatically illicit the call to an attorney like it does today in this ever increasingly warped society or ours. If that is what you call "acting like a fool"...teaching a disrespectful student a life lesson, then so be it. Knight didn't act any different in year 29 than he did in year 1. Some people get upset when they think Knight should kiss their ass and he does. Knight made it very clear he kisses no man's ass. I like a man who stays true to his word. I'm less confident in the quote from Harvey than I am with the quote from Knight regarding that fateful day in IU basketball history.
The question is, and it's an important one...was there a rock hidden inside those snowballs?
Fair enough reply, but we have plenty of video of both being bullies so I don't need the media to help make my decision. That if you buy into the fake news..
The “Buck” interview was one he recently did with Joe Buck in which he referred to Harvey, who was a legal adult and not in high school at the time Knight foolishly grabbed him, as an”son of a bitch”. Not sure how you defend him on that one, just as I’m sure you wouldn’t defend Harvey had he decked him in response to being grabbed.
So you're saying Bob Knight told Buck when he grabbed the Harvey's arm to get his attention, he addressed him as a "son of a bitch" or did Bob Knight refer to the Harvey kid years later in the interview as a son of a bitch? Big difference here "at the time and in his face" vs later. You're right, Harvey wasn't in high school. He was a freshman at IU but that doesn't mean he still can't be a disrespectful punk driving a new Corvette convertible his doting attorney uncle bought for both he and his twin. BTW, he transferred to another college after the incident. Oh, and Bob Knight is 6'5 and overweight. I don't think Bob was too worried about the scrawny kid punching his lights out.
If he said that to Buvk he is revising his story. His version has always been Son my name is not Knight to you, it's Coach Knight or Mr. knight.
I don’t find people acting like hypocritical jackasses entertaining, but that’s just me.
I think Knight with Buck only referred to him as a son of a bitch after the fact and wasn't insinuating that he called him that to his face at the time of the reprimand. When depositions and news interviews are conducted, those involved say all kinds of things as having been said or done. One never knows for sure, without video and/or tape recorder confirmation.
I'm sorry you missed "BK Theater". I think most of us who witnessed the evolution of Knight from the beginning will call his 29 years fun and entertaining. Those who only caught the tail end of his IU career, those who bought into the biased, negative media accounts think otherwise, in an almost bitter sort of way it seems.
Myles Brand's Zero Tolerance Policy was used for his personal gain. The notoriety of standing up to Knight in firing him catapulted Brand to a better job with the NCAA and he soon left Indiana University behind in his dust, damage done. Knight did more good than bad and that's better than what can be said for some others. I have no plans to stop worshipping my favorite "bully". I have no plans to grow up. That would't be any fun and I might become bitter, thinking everyone who doesn't act just like me is a bully.
I am fortunate to have always been objective about BK....always.
It got me in trouble with both BK lovers and BK haters at the time but it has allowed me to preserve what I feel are the great contributions and hilarious harmless antics without being disillusioned in the results of his many foibles, his hypocritical positions and ultimate decay into a bitter old man.
I don't dismiss him, but I don't miss him.
No, he referred to Harvey as a “son of a bitch” in the interview. It was classless and idiotic, but that’s RMK. Just glad he’s no longer a part of IU. Hes a disgraceful person.
Funny you mention it. I would not at all be surprised if Steve Alford's former coach was in the ear of the US President to discuss the situation with UCLA players in a Chinese prison. That is exactly the kind of thing Knight would do, and exactly the kind of way Trump does business.
Like I've said, there is nothing new. But just to prove it, let's go back a little ways.
From Jon Wertheim's March 2017 Indianapolis Month article on Knight, and discussing his own childhood's "nearly mandatory" reading of Frank DeFord's "The Rabbit Hunter" on Bob Knight's personality. Wertheim discusses the DeFord piece from 1981:
"It also tells of a man distracted by annoyances—the rabbits in the story’s title—to an unhealthy degree. As the subhead reads, Knight “often stalks the insignificant.” The piece quotes Knight’s mentor, basketball coach Pete Newell: “There are times Bobby comes so close to self-destructing.” Edwin Cady, a former IU professor who helped get Knight hired in 1971, added: “He’s in a race now between overcoming immaturity and disaster.”
The story was published on January 26, 1981. A few weeks later, IU won the NCAA title, Knight’s second national championship in five years. He was 40 at the time. The future was pregnant with promise.
Those damn rabbits, though. Knight was routinely undone by what should’ve been minor grievances."
Knight was driven to perfection by the minor annoyances. His genius was in his details and the drive to eradicate mistakes from an imperfect game. No matter how much he donated to the library or how many letters he wrote to help people, he was an explosive and unrelenting perfectionist by fault and by birth. There never was anything anyone could do about it.
That he took Texas Tech to the Sweet 16 with hardly more than a couple of talented guys and a several who were determined, once and for all proved what he could do with his method of coaching. It worked. It always worked, the motion offense would still work because it operated on the simple mantra that open shots are easier to make than contested ones and that moving makes guys harder to guard.
Some of you would adopt a crocodile and expect it to be your family pet then have it put down when it bit you.
Knight was a dominant presence in college basketball for decades and a few revisionists views on history won't change that.
From Jon Wertheim's March 2017 Indianapolis Month article on Knight, and discussing his own childhood's "nearly mandatory" reading of Frank DeFord's "The Rabbit Hunter" on Bob Knight's personality. Wertheim discusses the DeFord piece from 1981:
"It also tells of a man distracted by annoyances—the rabbits in the story’s title—to an unhealthy degree. As the subhead reads, Knight “often stalks the insignificant.” The piece quotes Knight’s mentor, basketball coach Pete Newell: “There are times Bobby comes so close to self-destructing.” Edwin Cady, a former IU professor who helped get Knight hired in 1971, added: “He’s in a race now between overcoming immaturity and disaster.”
The story was published on January 26, 1981. A few weeks later, IU won the NCAA title, Knight’s second national championship in five years. He was 40 at the time. The future was pregnant with promise.
Those damn rabbits, though. Knight was routinely undone by what should’ve been minor grievances."
Knight was driven to perfection by the minor annoyances. His genius was in his details and the drive to eradicate mistakes from an imperfect game. No matter how much he donated to the library or how many letters he wrote to help people, he was an explosive and unrelenting perfectionist by fault and by birth. There never was anything anyone could do about it.
That he took Texas Tech to the Sweet 16 with hardly more than a couple of talented guys and a several who were determined, once and for all proved what he could do with his method of coaching. It worked. It always worked, the motion offense would still work because it operated on the simple mantra that open shots are easier to make than contested ones and that moving makes guys harder to guard.
Some of you would adopt a crocodile and expect it to be your family pet then have it put down when it bit you.
Knight was a dominant presence in college basketball for decades and a few revisionists views on history won't change that.
If I had done as much for the university as Knight and a "user" like Myles Brand canned my ass after not supporting my attempt to teach a disrespectful youth a lesson in manners, I would have called the son of a bitch something worse than that myself! I don't think the average fan has any clue what was going on behind the scene to get rid of Knight once the new breed took control of the "teaching" institution known as Indiana University.
I have a theory that one's distain for Bob Knight as "bully" is directly proportional to their distain for Donald Trump. In other words, those people classifying themselves as Knight haters are more likely to be liberal Democrats. Now let me make something clear, I think Knight is a "bully", too, it is his aggressive personality, but I don't hate him for it. I love the man for instructing kids that I support...those wearing the IU uniform, how to play the game of basketball to their maximum potential. Sure, he stepped on some toes along the way - welcome to the club, Big Boy! I am a Knight supporter. I am a Trump supporter. I am an American. Now, before you say it for me, I'll tell you that the same theory I just spoke of holds true for conservative Republicans more likely to think of Knight in good light. I don't dismiss him because I miss him. Since he was dismissed, an IU basketball team isn't as difficult to play against. IU's opponents weren't pissed when he was dismissed. Those IU fans pissed at Bob Knight today are in large part, liberal Democrats, hating our nation's president, too. You got a lot of hatred going on there, Troublemakers! But that's just another one of (What's that make it...#3, but I won't argue with "2") my own personal theories, yet to be proven. Hey, in the neighborhood it's a beautiful day, by the way. I stroll in peace.
As a moderate objective independent I see where I fit in there. I have been labeled a BK apologist and a BK hater. A Trump lover and a Trump hater. A Clinton Apologist and a Clinton hater. An IU homer and a PU fan. A F Glass apologist and a F Glass hater. A Crean apologist and a Crean hater.
I despise both MSNBC and FOX. Go figure.
You got (sic) some heavy yin-yang going on there, Man, and for that I admire you. Safe travels, my "Mighty Man of Such Yin-Yang!"
