You will find out that these lower than average lawyers on the Cooler, that racist is their go to word to try to win an augment!
IU President, McRobbie, can't leave soon enough.
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I would agree you could think those things and not be racists. However, it doesn't save you from ignorance and prejudice.
He needs to quit doubling down on it.
My advice to you is to either spend significant time and effort to learn about history and racism or stop sharing your ignorance.
You need to educate yourself more. It seems like you have a lot of time on your hands do so.
How does ignorance and prejudice come into play? Bottom line here is Blacks sold Blacks into slavery and it’s not any better today in Africa!
There is no question Africans were sold by other Africans, and there is no question almost every culture that rose to prominence in a region relied upon slavery. It doesn't mean there were good qualities to it, and if there were some who stupidly went on the boats willingly, it wasn't enough to make it more than a footnote in the hundreds of years of US slavery or the thousands of years of worldwide slavery.
Even as he says not all slaves left when they were freed. True, but have you heard of the Stockholm Syndrome? All that means they've been conditioned to the point of thinking their lives are better where they are.
Slaves wanting to stay on their plantations with their masters has an element of fear to it. It's the fear laid down over generations to be a freed black slave is to be a target, where the only level of accountability is a legal system that has spent those same generations delegitimizing them. Their main sense of value was being someone's property, where the level of accountability was provided by their owners. Nothing about that is good.
Nothing about that is good especially when you consider how much people still work to keep down minority races in this country. (Not that we're alone in that regard as a nation.) It is a baseline to this country we're still working to overcome.
To persist is ignorant, prejudiced or just plain stupid. Take your pick which. He's made it clear he believes what he wants to believe, so he's admitting prejudice, which he is basing on his admitted ignorance. You can keep defending him, if you want, but that just lumps you into it too.
I am not defending him, there nothing to defend, he stated a fact that getting on a boat and being a slave in America was better than the conditions in Africa! I know for a fact you don’t know what those africans life’s were like! Your biggest challenge is how to maneuver a roundabout!
This post needs to be deleted. It defames the site. And that is saying a lot.
Hmmm...you don't sound like a very positive person.
Seems like it probably would have been a good idea to start and stop your posting on the subject with this:
There's no sin in not knowing much about a topic. The trouble starts when you don't but talk a lot about it like you do.
That "time on my hands" you speak of in a veiled sense of jealousy, I've earned it after 10 years of post HS education, plus 32 years "slaving in the field", so to speak. It allowed me to retire earlier than others. What's gotten you so educated that allows you so much time here, spewing such important matters.
Hey, a man has to start somewhere. It might as well be starting like I do. Maybe I'll talk like I do when I really don't, but fool you when I do. It works for a lot of people is how I like to think, right or wrong. Does it work for you, too?Hmmm...you don't sound like a very positive person.
Positivity lies in the mind of the beholder.
Seems like it probably would have been a good idea to start and stop your posting on the subject with this:
For admitting I don't know much about slavery, did you know that Thomas Jefferson had over 600 slaves, though his years? At one time he had 140 residing with him on "the hill" at Monticello. A lot of them were probably taught the art of landscaping his beautiful gardens. This knowledge was probably passed down to some of their offspring, who were able to utilize these skills after emancipation while being able to start living in "The Land of The Free". This is what I meant when I said, "some slaves were treated better than others, not all being flogged for that cross-eyed look of lust".
There's no sin in not knowing much about a topic. The trouble starts when you don't but talk a lot about it like you do.
I always thought the Water Cooler was the one place where anything could be talked in however manner. It was designed to eliminate a lot of the riffraff conversation taking away from the really important topics of life, the various IU sports.
Intelligence wears many costumes. Einstein didn't know how to keep his shoelaces tied.Uhm...your education is showing.
I have plenty of time on my hands too, so I'm not jealous. You just need to yours to read up on some slavery. The "I don't know much about it" and "believe what I want to believe" combination makes you look incredibly inept.
Congrats on retiring early. What was it like to work for someone else?
I've reported maybe 1 or 2 posts in my history here. And I don't have anyone on ignore.
Lucy's post suggesting Africans were better off as slaves is not something worth talking about, IMO. She took your bad post a few steps further.
Understanding what you don't know is a great place to start. That works for me. Not expressing opinions on things I don't know much about works for me. Acknowledging that you aren't a very happy or positive person is unfortunate, but also works for me. I hope that turns around for you.
It is, and while I'm not here that much, you seem to conflate with your ability to post and express yourself with the notion that anything you write is to be respected. It's certainly not a requirement. It's not even compelled. I'm not even sure it's expected.
Some people have found ways to use racism to their advantage, such that it makes them wealthier. They would be disappointed if racism ever went away. There's a reason so many lawyer jokes have been told compared to other occupations (outside the diggings of Proctology, with a "hole" lot of them).
That sounds like the ol' "They said blah blah blah" stupidity that our IPOTUS often tries to pass of as fact.
Who are "they"?
There's something I've always wondered regarding minorities. In Africa, let's say, Whites and other races live as a minority in mostly Black Africa. Do African nations have similar laws in their countries for minorities, like we have with in our country that creates advantages to minorities, so that they won't be denied equal opportunity when living in a given country as a minority race? Are businesses there pressured to fulfill a certain number of positions of employment or such things as seats on a Board of Directors for minority races, like is done in America? Are Whites discriminated against in Mombasa, Kenya with unprovoked police shootings by Black officers and longer sentences for relatively minor offenses being posed by Black judges there?
I know South Africa with a history of Apartheid is the one country of exception. In 1971, I ate South African lobster tail for dinner on Thanksgiving Day in Cape Town, South Africa while bathed in the shadow of Table Mountain. Having accomplished that, makes me an expert in absolutely nothing, so I ask.
"They" are the lawyers who defend those crying racism against their employers or those trying to get hired by these employers. Does that answer find you with greater clarity of vision?
The amount of stoopid that is on the loose never ceases to amaze me.
I believe I expressed myself once, in not more, regarding what I post, but maybe it was Facebook and not Hoosier.com. A seventh grade English teacher once told me not to write like everyone else. She said after reading 30 papers, they all sound alike so distinguish yourself by saying things in a different way than what might be expected. I took her words to heart. I think what she meant was to make an attempt to standout, to draw attention to yourself, otherwise you sound as boring in "blah, blah, blah" as everyone else. I'll often seek a different angle to a given topic, ie. some Africans might have been lured onto the boat with a sense of adventure into the unknown...a chance to go to this distant land they read about, America. Hell, I don't really know but I suppose it's possible. I wasn't there and neither were you so that doesn't make one right and one wrong. Haters might call some of my thoughts "trolling" while others might dismiss it as a bit quirkiness...a weird way of thinking that hurts absolutely no one. It's what you think it is to you only with no harm done. It certainly doesn't make me a turd of shit in my mind, as TMP thinks it does in his mind. He even made me a special kind of shit...an ignorant, racist piece of shit. I can live with mere words if he can.
Is there something I'm missing here....something to do other than read responses? Without responses you wouldn't have the distinction of "Moderator". Damn, I wish I had that one on my resume (pronounced rez-zoo-may) of life-it might get me laid.
His numbers make him about my age, if he's this clueless at 60ish his window of opportunity to learn is probably closed.
So bottom line is you say outrageous shit to get attention. Sounds about right.
I'm glad at some point someone considered you to be a good writer. Like anything it's a skill, and a skill which can be lost over time. I don't believe your seventh grade English teacher wanted you to speak ignorantly on a subject, especially one as sensitive as slavery. Writing ignorantly on a subject isn't a way to standout, but at this point we're really just seeing how far down the rabbit hole you'll go.
Africans were definitely lured onto boats. They weren't sold slavery. They were sold a new world.
You're not equipped for this discussion.
I was a Zoology major at IU, more interested in understanding other life forms than Homo sapiens. Other life forms hold more fascination to me than the frailties of the human condition. It is what it is, “is” not being sure.
It was my ignorance that kept Mrs Lewis from giving me an “A” for my effort, but at least it was a “B” that stood out from all the other ignorant “B’s”.
I'm not trying to understand or empathize with his point of view on this, so I'm glad the condescension is easy to spot.
Now go away, Marge Schott.
