IU is a good team, and this is going to be a great season.
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You brought up another key point I mentioned sometime back but many seem to have forgot...Ramsey is still an underclassman and most definitely will improve. Can he hold off Penix indefinitely? Who can say...but the kid is all we need right now. I would like to see Penix get significant game time against Rutgers, if the game warrants it. But Ramsey is our QB...
So far, I think we are the same team we have been about the past several years--about .500. If Rutgers beats us, we are worse. If we win, we are still about the same. The difference in talent was glaring on Saturday. They were able to keep us nippin' at their heals and unable to take a chunk out of the derrieres.
I like your posts too except when you get into it with Larry. Please put him on ignore like the rest of us and then watch out for his next new handle because he will change it when no one engages him once again.
I was extremely frustrated at the stadium watching the game, and his misses definitely were magnified by me. BUT, there WERE misses - bad passes - that cost us as we were trying to get back in it. He certainly made some good passes, but not enough to overcome our other deficiencies. Re-watch that game? Aw, heyall naw. That was brutal enough the first time.
Hey, you go out and throw against that bull rush...vbg...then we can talk about passing. What you saw was MSU...not Ramsey. Can you imagine how bad it would have been with Penix?? He might not be on his feet yet. How many ints do you think he would have thrown against them?
The point is bashing Peyton for the lines problem is pure mental masturbation...fans got hurt...need someone to blame. IF so, try the coaches, they come closer to blame than Ramsey. And Im not sure what they could have done.
I have rewatched the game 3 times...have you even looked at it once?? Cant believe so based on your comments. Anyone that knows anything about IU and FB knows exactly what happened. Why don't you?
Don't think I would even try to win those 3 games. Keep everyone healthy and try to get the other 5.
I think a big part of Ramsey's issues related to his arm strength is that even on his short passes, the ball just "floats" out there to much and takes to long to get to his receivers and they lose that little bit of extra time to catch the ball, turn upfield, and have a chance to put a move on the defenders. In watching Penix, he zips the ball out to his receivers much faster, giving his receivers more of a chance to get upfield.
I'm not sure Penix is the answer, but if we never give him a legitimate shot because Ramsey has the experience......well are we going to keep saying that for 2 more years after this year?
I'm not sure Penix is the answer, but if we never give him a legitimate shot because Ramsey has the experience......well are we going to keep saying that for 2 more years after this year?
As long as IU takes care of business at Rutgers on Saturday, then the season is still going just about where I thought it would be at this point. 3-1 after 4 games is what I expected, but of course I had also hoped for a win against Sparty. 4-1 after Rutgers means we need 2 more wins and we have quite a few winnable games left on our schedule. IU can beat Maryland, Purdue and Minny still. They can also lose to all 3. We all want the big breakthrough win against Iowa at home, but by winning those 3 games that are very winnable, that would put IU at 7-5, going bowling, winning back the bucket, and a winning season. To me that's a really good season and would show that CTA has the team heading in the right direction. Winning the bowl game and getting to 8 wins would be a great season.
I've said for years that if we could get a coach that just got us to a bowl game every year, and then once every 5 years or so gets lightning in a bottle and we win 9/10 games, we'd build a statue of that guy out front of Memorial Stadium. Being in the East makes that a tall order, but I think we have a HC that can do that. I also think that if he does have that kind of success, when other schools come calling, he'd turn them down. Like Hep, I think that IU is CTA's dream job. Of course, if we lose at Rutgers then all bets are off...
I've said for years that if we could get a coach that just got us to a bowl game every year, and then once every 5 years or so gets lightning in a bottle and we win 9/10 games, we'd build a statue of that guy out front of Memorial Stadium. Being in the East makes that a tall order, but I think we have a HC that can do that. I also think that if he does have that kind of success, when other schools come calling, he'd turn them down. Like Hep, I think that IU is CTA's dream job. Of course, if we lose at Rutgers then all bets are off...
He'll get his shot but not now. Ramsey wasn't at his best Saturday night, but Michigan State had a lot to do with that. They have one of the best DLs around, a great pass rush, and the best rushing defense (by far, statistically) in the country. We couldn't get anything going on the ground, Ramsey was pressured all night and his options were limited.
The guy was fine in his first three games, and got us to 3-0. Saturday was a bump in the road but I'm confident we'll get back on track this weekend. And it all starts with the offensive line. I'm looking for a big game from them Saturday.
You never played sports did you?
There’s no logical reason to think it would’ve been any worse with Penix. Of course it wasn’t just Ramsey...the entire team was being dominated. But having a deep threat changes a lot for an offense. PR doesn’t offer that and defenses know it.
So quit pretending to know how Penix would’ve done. Maybe worse, maybe better.
"Great" is a relative term. But IU could have a great season and still finish 5th in the east division.
I get your point. But IU has at least a punchers chance in every game. That has not always been the case.
Did you actually watch the game? We did try over the top, to Reese Taylor, on a third and short in the first quarter. Ramsey overthrew him. They in fact did run a play action and chuck it incomplete. They showed something. They literally did exactly what you wish they would have done, despite the fact that you're pretending they didn't.
Also, no one said Newkirk was going to be better than Yogi.
But how many times did we try that other than that? Look, i get we didn't have much time to throw, but I think Ramsey's lack of arm strength and ability to throw the ball down the field is a huge issue. When he does, the ball just floats and takes forever to get there due to lack of velocity. It will become more apparent as we go through the conference season.
I like Ramsey, I really do, but its a major issue that will hold this team back as long as he is Quarterback in conference games (other than Rutgers).
As long as IU takes care of business at Rutgers on Saturday, then the season is still going just about where I thought it would be at this point. 3-1 after 4 games is what I expected, but of course I had also hoped for a win against Sparty. 4-1 after Rutgers means we need 2 more wins and we have quite a few winnable games left on our schedule. IU can beat Maryland, Purdue and Minny still. They can also lose to all 3. We all want the big breakthrough win against Iowa at home, but by winning those 3 games that are very winnable, that would put IU at 7-5, going bowling, winning back the bucket, and a winning season. To me that's a really good season and would show that CTA has the team heading in the right direction. Winning the bowl game and getting to 8 wins would be a great season.
I've said for years that if we could get a coach that just got us to a bowl game every year, and then once every 5 years or so gets lightning in a bottle and we win 9/10 games, we'd build a statue of that guy out front of Memorial Stadium. Being in the East makes that a tall order, but I think we have a HC that can do that. I also think that if he does have that kind of success, when other schools come calling, he'd turn them down. Like Hep, I think that IU is CTA's dream job. Of course, if we lose at Rutgers then all bets are off...
Exactly. I guess people don't realize, if we simply beat say Rutgers , Minnesota and Purdue......then beat some other 6-6 team in a lower tier bowl, that would be one of the 10 best seasons in the 100+ year history of this program.
I feel your pain...vbg...and I do understand your point. There is a logic to it...but not that of young men. To give up without trying would break the team into pieces...morale gone...faith in program gone, justified or not. You got to fight your best and hope to come out with everyone still standing. We will not beaat OSU...they are the best I have seen them in a very long time. They haven even hit their stride yet...shudder...but I will be damned if I lay down for them.
They will know they were in a fight.
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One play??!! In the first quarter?! We ran nearly 80 offensive plays and you think you stretch a defense by throwing ONE deep ball?
It doesn’t matter what you or I think, the bottom line is MSU’s defense was giving ZERO respect for our ability to beat them deep. None. It wasn’t even in their mind. Their safeties and LBs were having a field day out there coming downhill every play.
If Allen or any coach had that mentality, they have no business coaching.
Yeah, I know, not going to happen. What happens in reality is that we play our guts out and go into the next week dragging our behinds. Oh well, just a thought.
It's not my fault you wrote something patently false. If you don't think they did it enough, then just say so. You don't have to exaggerate or lie to make your point.
You’re lost buddy. I never said we didn’t throw a single pass deep. I said they didn’t respect our threat to beat them over the top.
I can’t believe we’re even arguing this. Next you’re going to tell me the world is flat.
No, I'm not lost.
You said, "We didn’t even try anything over the top." I literally just copy and pasted this statement from your post.
That statement is demonstrably false. Also, the world is not flat. Take your straw men elsewhere.
You said, "We didn’t even try anything over the top." I literally just copy and pasted this statement from your post.
That statement is demonstrably false. Also, the world is not flat. Take your straw men elsewhere.
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