IU basketball = IU football.

[Univee2]

It has always been the goal of the faithful IU football fans that the football program be on the same level as the basketball program. Well, in a prime example of being careful what you wish for, they have achieved their dream.

We don't go to bowl games; we don't make the NCAAT seven out of eleven years. But we've got a good, young coach who is getting his system in place and with a little patience we'll get there. We've got some good young talent coming in although we don't get the big stars the major teams get. But, we ought to roll in the pre-conference, beat all those on our level in the conference and then maybe we can sneak up on one of the big boys and knock them off.

Substitute IU basketball in there for IU football and it's all the same. Congratulations, Fred and you Administration fools, you've finally achieved the equality for which you've so desperately hungered. You had to bring basketball down to do it but, hey, whatever works, right?

So, as with football, we'll see discussions of starting line-ups and how the new, young additions will fill important roles. We'll see discussions of how we'll be strong after the pre-conference season readies us for the Big Ten battles. We'll see discussions about how eminently beatable most of the teams in the conference should be and how we'll feast on them. We'll then see discussions on how we'll surprise an Ohio State or Michigan football equivalent.

We'll then see the flame-out, the disappointment and the head-scratching about how things could have turned out so underwhelmingly.

Fred, results matter. And. You. Haven't. Gotten. It. Done. You and the Administration need to step aside and put a pro in place. This crap ain't workin'........

 

[Hatchets7times]

Sounds like you a pretend fan..
Better find another team to root for..
Sure are a lot of piss and moaners on here anymore.
Unless your giving donations of north of 50k yearly. You and no one else has much say.

 

[Davehack]

It really catches Fred's attention when you. Put. Periods. After. Every. Word.

 

[TR32]

Did IU football beat 5 ranked teams including #6? Remind me.

 

[Stellara1]

Sounds like you a pretend fan..
Better find another team to root for..
Sure are a lot of piss and moaners on here anymore.
Unless your giving donations of north of 50k yearly. You and no one else has much say.

You're right can't believe everybody is so underwhelmed & disappointed by mediocrity??? C'mon everybody real fans would not be disappointed in a poor product on the field/court year after year... Great job Fred keep up the good work!!

 

[Univee2]

Sounds like you a pretend fan..
Better find another team to root for..
Sure are a lot of piss and moaners on here anymore.
Unless your giving donations of north of 50k yearly. You and no one else has much say.

Ah, the old tried and true "true fan" meme. Kudos.

I'm truly sorry for you that your perspective is so limited. Games at the 10th Street Stadium, Memorial Stadium, both the old and new Fieldhouses and AH over the years might provide a different view.

Let's get to the NIT. Oorah.

 

[Univee2]

It really catches Fred's attention when you. Put. Periods. After. Every. Word.

Yes.

Thanks.

 

[ufo33]

IU Football is still far worse than Basketball.
IU football does not beat top 10.ranked teams.

 

[indy1203]

It has always been the goal of the faithful IU football fans that the football program be on the same level as the basketball program. Well, in a prime example of being careful what you wish for, they have achieved their dream.

We don't go to bowl games; we don't make the NCAAT seven out of eleven years. But we've got a good, young coach who is getting his system in place and with a little patience we'll get there. We've got some good young talent coming in although we don't get the big stars the major teams get. But, we ought to roll in the pre-conference, beat all those on our level in the conference and then maybe we can sneak up on one of the big boys and knock them off.

Substitute IU basketball in there for IU football and it's all the same. Congratulations, Fred and you Administration fools, you've finally achieved the equality for which you've so desperately hungered. You had to bring basketball down to do it but, hey, whatever works, right?

So, as with football, we'll see discussions of starting line-ups and how the new, young additions will fill important roles. We'll see discussions of how we'll be strong after the pre-conference season readies us for the Big Ten battles. We'll see discussions about how eminently beatable most of the teams in the conference should be and how we'll feast on them. We'll then see discussions on how we'll surprise an Ohio State or Michigan football equivalent.

We'll then see the flame-out, the disappointment and the head-scratching about how things could have turned out so underwhelmingly.

Fred, results matter. And. You. Haven't. Gotten. It. Done. You and the Administration need to step aside and put a pro in place. This crap ain't workin'........

FG was hired for political reasons not for his athletic
management skills.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

IU made a big mistake not investing more in football during Mallory’s first 5 years. Other schools got it right. They rode football success to gain success in basketball. Alvarez and Wisconsin are a great example. IU has always been lacking forward thinking leaders. They chose the route of less balance and preferred to ride it out on fumes of the past.

Take a look at the top 25 today. Half the teams are supposed “football schools.”

Somebody else said basketball is IU’s cash cow. That actually isn’t true. It may get more “noise” but not more revenue. In 2017, IU football out earned basketball by $13 million. Net profit was $11 million from the sport, same as men’s b-ball.

It’s a no-brainer for potential if it even gets modestly good and basketball will benefit from it. It’s a win-win for both. IU followed an ill-advised formula of doing nothing, hoping that the Knight name would carry them forever.

 

[fkfootball]

IU needs a real President and a real AD.


An Australian and a Lawyer?


That's the best they can do?

 

[darkhawk returns]

Too much to drink?

It has always been the goal of the faithful IU football fans that the football program be on the same level as the basketball program. Well, in a prime example of being careful what you wish for, they have achieved their dream.

We don't go to bowl games; we don't make the NCAAT seven out of eleven years. But we've got a good, young coach who is getting his system in place and with a little patience we'll get there. We've got some good young talent coming in although we don't get the big stars the major teams get. But, we ought to roll in the pre-conference, beat all those on our level in the conference and then maybe we can sneak up on one of the big boys and knock them off.

Substitute IU basketball in there for IU football and it's all the same. Congratulations, Fred and you Administration fools, you've finally achieved the equality for which you've so desperately hungered. You had to bring basketball down to do it but, hey, whatever works, right?

So, as with football, we'll see discussions of starting line-ups and how the new, young additions will fill important roles. We'll see discussions of how we'll be strong after the pre-conference season readies us for the Big Ten battles. We'll see discussions about how eminently beatable most of the teams in the conference should be and how we'll feast on them. We'll then see discussions on how we'll surprise an Ohio State or Michigan football equivalent.

We'll then see the flame-out, the disappointment and the head-scratching about how things could have turned out so underwhelmingly.

Fred, results matter. And. You. Haven't. Gotten. It. Done. You and the Administration need to step aside and put a pro in place. This crap ain't workin'........

 

[darkhawk returns]

Interesting you chose Crean's last year and the last time IU made a bowl game to prove your "point". Simply investing money in a sport won't necessarily improve your performance in said sport, now does it? You have to develop a team competitive enough to win to start getting the recruits (IU football's arguably best recruiting classes yet?). Then, you start being able to really compete and get better recruits. Even then, that division is brutal, but....for success to be sustained, it typically requires small steps. I don't know why I'm wasting my time. You're right, just throw money into the programs, and it'll fix everything. We should have hired one of those coaches who wouldn't ever leave their comfortable, high paying jobs to deal with our fanbase just because we throw money at them! I'm sure Donovan or Stevens would LOVE to take less money to go back to recruiting!

IU made a big mistake not investing more in football during Mallory’s first 5 years. Other schools got it right. They rode football success to gain success in basketball. Alvarez and Wisconsin are a great example. IU has always been lacking forward thinking leaders. They chose the route of less balance and preferred to ride it out on fumes of the past.

Take a look at the top 25 today. Half the teams are supposed “football schools.”

Somebody else said basketball is IU’s cash cow. That actually isn’t true. It may get more “noise” but not more revenue. In 2017, IU football out earned basketball by $13 million. Net profit was $11 million from the sport, same as men’s b-ball.

It’s a no-brainer for potential if it even gets modestly good and basketball will benefit from it. It’s a win-win for both. IU followed an ill-advised formula of doing nothing, hoping that the Knight name would carry them forever.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

IU needs a real President and a real AD.


An Australian and a Lawyer?


That's the best they can do?

A lawyer, an Aussie and a disgruntled fan walk into a bar.....the lawyer and Aussie are never seen from again.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Interesting you chose Crean's last year and the last time IU made a bowl game to prove your "point". Simply investing money in a sport won't necessarily improve your performance in said sport, now does it? You have to develop a team competitive enough to win to start getting the recruits (IU football's arguably best recruiting classes yet?). Then, you start being able to really compete and get better recruits. Even then, that division is brutal, but....for success to be sustained, it typically requires small steps. I don't know why I'm wasting my time. You're right, just throw money into the programs, and it'll fix everything. We should have hired one of those coaches who wouldn't ever leave their comfortable, high paying jobs to deal with our fanbase just because we throw money at them! I'm sure Donovan or Stevens would LOVE to take less money to go back to recruiting!

Your post makes zero sense.

I merely pointed out that IU did not jump on an opportunity to help football when we had a coach getting it going. You have a problem with that?

I was pointing out that IU could have chosen to be balanced and it did not. It allowed one sport to try to drive the department, hoping it would last to infinity, and it didn’t even invest in that one!

We totally reap what we sow. IU fans had (still have) a mentality that our university has some kind of monopoly on the sport of basketball, while other universities in the conference are passionate about both their sports and blew by IU so long ago that this university will never likely recover.

IU is so outclassed in this conference by schools like Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan State it ain’t even funny. We’re damn lucky to still be a member, quite honestly.

 

[CriticArisen]

Crocodile Dundee had zero.zero zero experience overseeing university athletics prior to being named president. Now some people would recognize that as a deficiency and hire an AD with that experience to fill the gap. But no not Crocodile. He hired an AD that also had zero.zero zero experience overseeing a college athletics department. Find a single other university with an elite basketball program that has that in place. There are none. Duke has both with prior oversight of athletics.

These guys are ideologues and PC to the bone. If you call the AD on results during his tenure he will expound with a tear in his eye how IU women’s athletics have flourished under his oversight. He will expound how IU has provided a positive supportive environment for women athletes that historically were treated as less important than male athletes. It wasn’t fair he will cry but these terrible wrongs were righted.

Everyone knows that a fish rots from the head and nothing positive will be done until sufficient pressure is applied to these overseers by the alumni and or the taxpayers of Indiana.

 

[CriticArisen]

Also I wish to hell the NBA would once again draft directly from high school. If Zion had suffered permanent knee damage from the shoe blowout what a travesty it would have been for him and his family. Many players in the NBA were recommending he sit out the rest of the year. Who benefits from the year requirement. I guess the NBA does so additional data for multi million dollar decisions and a few powerful university programs benefit hugely. No one else.

 

[UncleMark]

If Zion had suffered permanent knee damage from the shoe blowout what a travesty it would have been for him and his family. Many players in the NBA were recommending he sit out the rest of the year. Who benefits from the year requirement.

Certainly not the players. As if anyone cared about them.

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Certainly not the players. As if anyone cared about them.

IU basketball lol...

 

[Harry Hondo]

IU needs a real President and a real AD.


An Australian and a Lawyer?


That's the best they can do?

Sorry, but McRobbie is looked at as being a very good president. He wasn’t hired to build sports programs. If you want a new AD, I see that, though.

 

[snarlcakes]

Crocodile Dundee had zero.zero zero experience overseeing university athletics prior to being named president. Now some people would recognize that as a deficiency and hire an AD with that experience to fill the gap. But no not Crocodile. He hired an AD that also had zero.zero zero experience overseeing a college athletics department. Find a single other university with an elite basketball program that has that in place. There are none. Duke has both with prior oversight of athletics.

These guys are ideologues and PC to the bone. If you call the AD on results during his tenure he will expound with a tear in his eye how IU women’s athletics have flourished under his oversight. He will expound how IU has provided a positive supportive environment for women athletes that historically were treated as less important than male athletes. It wasn’t fair he will cry but these terrible wrongs were righted.

Everyone knows that a fish rots from the head and nothing positive will be done until sufficient pressure is applied to these overseers by the alumni and or the taxpayers of Indiana.

Great post. We are the most mismanaged basketball program in the country and the football program is a sh#t show, as well.

 

[Harry Hondo]

Crocodile Dundee had zero.zero zero experience overseeing university athletics prior to being named president. Now some people would recognize that as a deficiency and hire an AD with that experience to fill the gap. But no not Crocodile. He hired an AD that also had zero.zero zero experience overseeing a college athletics department. Find a single other university with an elite basketball program that has that in place. There are none. Duke has both with prior oversight of athletics.

These guys are ideologues and PC to the bone. If you call the AD on results during his tenure he will expound with a tear in his eye how IU women’s athletics have flourished under his oversight. He will expound how IU has provided a positive supportive environment for women athletes that historically were treated as less important than male athletes. It wasn’t fair he will cry but these terrible wrongs were righted.

Everyone knows that a fish rots from the head and nothing positive will be done until sufficient pressure is applied to these overseers by the alumni and or the taxpayers of Indiana.

Taxpayers have little say. The state keeps giving less and less and now the main source of income is through donations and tuition profits. Our public universities are slowly becoming private.

 

[CriticArisen]

Taxpayers have little say. The state keeps giving less and less and now the main source of income is through donations and tuition profits. Our public universities are slowly becoming private.

Thanks for the info Harry Hondo. I guess that just leaves sending in the National Guard to put things right.

 

[IUgradman]

Sorry, but McRobbie is looked at as being a very good president. He wasn’t hired to build sports programs. If you want a new AD, I see that, though.

Sorry, there are plenty of university presidents who understand academics are their main priority while not undermining athletics. Men’s basketball is one of the most valuable parts of IU and the dipshits in charge have let it wither on the vine.

 

[FireTomAllen]

Sounds like you a pretend fan..
Better find another team to root for..
Sure are a lot of piss and moaners on here anymore.
Unless your giving donations of north of 50k yearly. You and no one else has much say.

Yes. We must blindly support crud without question, and if we say anything negative about the program, we're being "haters" and should bandwagon a program that actually knows what they are doing.

Jezum, some of the people here would drink Jim Jones's Kool-Aid if asked.

 

[VarsityClub47]

Sounds like you a pretend fan..
Better find another team to root for..
Sure are a lot of piss and moaners on here anymore.
Unless your giving donations of north of 50k yearly. You and no one else has much say.

I guess that would include you...unless of course, you are giving them north of 50k youself?

 

[CriticArisen]

Taxpayers have little say. The state keeps giving less and less and now the main source of income is through donations and tuition profits. Our public universities are slowly becoming private.

I thought about this HH and think taxpayers are still footing the bill by way of student loans but then it is Federal taxpayers including those taxpayers in Indiana. More circuitous but where would universities be without government guaranteed loans. Based on your earlier posts likely you know far more about this than I do.

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

It has always been the goal of the faithful IU football fans that the football program be on the same level as the basketball program. Well, in a prime example of being careful what you wish for, they have achieved their dream.

We don't go to bowl games; we don't make the NCAAT seven out of eleven years. But we've got a good, young coach who is getting his system in place and with a little patience we'll get there. We've got some good young talent coming in although we don't get the big stars the major teams get. But, we ought to roll in the pre-conference, beat all those on our level in the conference and then maybe we can sneak up on one of the big boys and knock them off.

Substitute IU basketball in there for IU football and it's all the same. Congratulations, Fred and you Administration fools, you've finally achieved the equality for which you've so desperately hungered. You had to bring basketball down to do it but, hey, whatever works, right?

So, as with football, we'll see discussions of starting line-ups and how the new, young additions will fill important roles. We'll see discussions of how we'll be strong after the pre-conference season readies us for the Big Ten battles. We'll see discussions about how eminently beatable most of the teams in the conference should be and how we'll feast on them. We'll then see discussions on how we'll surprise an Ohio State or Michigan football equivalent.

We'll then see the flame-out, the disappointment and the head-scratching about how things could have turned out so underwhelmingly.

Fred, results matter. And. You. Haven't. Gotten. It. Done. You and the Administration need to step aside and put a pro in place. This crap ain't workin'........

You’re right, this stuff ain’t working.

 

[Stellara1]

You’re right, this stuff ain’t working.

Time for a change...enough is enough. Why do we have to be mediocre year after year? We need to hire Our Man Mitch from Purdon't. He turned that place around.