Hi, a Boilermaker here. I'm doing a research project on the big ten's athletic directors, and am trying to find all of the AD's in your school's history (including interim if possible), but can't find enough to piece a timeline together. Anyone able to help me out?
IU Athletic Directors
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I'm sure my dates are off, but here's what I can recall
Bill Orwig 1961 until 1975 - fantastic
Paul Dietzel 1977 - 78
Ralph Floyd, 1978 until 1990 - the best!
Clarence Doninger 1991 until 2001 (not a big fan)
McNeely for 16 months - disaster (2001-02)
Clapacs was interim in 2002-04
Rick Greenspan 2004 - 2008
Fred Glass current 2008 to present
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When you simply copy and paste information, you get it wrong when they get it wrong. To not know that Ralph Floyd passed away in 1990 is proof yet again that your background isn't what you claim it to be. Please stop. You're lousy at this.
1) Where have I ever said I know all the answers? (did you find that in the same place you found the info on Bob Knight hanging Big Ten championship banners?)
2) Whose user name is "becauseIknow"? Not mine.
You have claimed to be an administrator at IU in the athletic dept - yet you can't recall just whom you worked for? Yeah, right . . .
How that banner thingy coming along for ya knowItAll?
I didn't copy and paste a single thing. Not one word. There's a reason why I said Ralph was the best, can you figure it out?
If I copied and pasted it, as you exclaimed, it would come up in Google as a copy and paste. So let's do that. Let's go to Google and paste ""Ralph Floyd, 1978 until 2000" since you said I copied and pasted wrong information and thus it manifested itself here. Please show me the site I got it from, since I copied and pasted.
Here you go "https://www.google.com/#q="Ralph+Floyd,+1978+until+2000"
Guess what, you're lousy at this. Please stop. You really are lousy at this. Ralph was a great man. It was an honor to know him. Less of an honor to work for some others. Get my drift?
Of course you copied it (without knowing), and of course you had no idea how stupid and uninformed it looked. Anyone familiar with IU Athletics picked up on it immediately, but you didn't because you didn't know any better.
Yes, Ralph Floyd was a great guy, but you didn't know that because you didn't work for him or interact with him professionally. To not realize that CD was in Bloomington during the run up to Knight being fired is another example of you not being what you've claimed to be. This, along with stuff like the banners (which you obviously knew nothing about) reveals it again and again. You're lousy at this, as you keep demonstrating to the board.
Excuse me, I didn't copy one damn thing and proved it. Type in what I originally posted, does it come up anywhere on any search engine other than here? No. That's because it wasn't copied from anywhere. Don't tell me who I worked for and didn't, because you have no damn idea.
Not one thing was copied, not ONE THING. Proven. I know damn well where CD was and when he was around.
You are really lousy at this. If I copied it, as you stated. In fact, if I copied and pasted it, as you stated, it would appear in a google search from somewhere else. It doesn't. Why? Because not a damn thing was copied.
A 10 year typo - wow! All on your own.
Couldn't remember Ralph died in 1990? You know he's "the best", but you can't recall a little detail like that?
Kinda like the banners, huh? Have you figured it out YET?
You are REALLY lousy at this.
This is without a doubt THE most absurd running argument that I have ever witnessed in any form, message board or otherwise, at least in my adult life. If it is at all possible for you to provide proof that you worked in the athletic department, I really do wish you would do so.
Not that I care, in fact I can't believe that I'm actually typing this. It's as if you are claiming to be deity or some sort of oracle. I can't, for the life of me, fathom how a job in the athletic department could receive such an anointing... but here we are.
I fail to see how anyone that you may have worked with in the past could be harmed or made to feel uncomfortable by you putting this matter to rest. This is only a message board about basketball after all.
Of course, you, me and every other poster has a right to their privacy, but you have to admit that when one takes on the moniker of becauseIknow and claims to have been in a position to have information that others are not privy to, you have opened yourself up to a more critical eye with regard to your posts.
It truly doesn't matter to me one iota. I generally appreciate your posts whether I agree with you or not.
There is a poster on a UCLA board that I visit, who I really like because he posts a lot of interesting stats and figures. Unfortunately, every single one of his posts inspires a string of attacks and ridicule. I don't know the backstory, but he apparently brought it on himself some years ago.
I bring up the UCLA poster because it's getting a bit like that here, and frankly both the hecklers and the heckled are not flattered by this ongoing joke of a Jerry Springer episode.
I know I have wasted many words here, and I'll be reading about those banners for years to come. As a Hail Mary I will add this. If I were you and I could prove that I held a position that caused this much commotion and awe, I would have my "drop the mic" moment national security be damned.
I've never used the ignore button and really hate to break the seal on several otherwise quality posters, but what was once a little funny is now beyond ridiculous.
Go Big Red!!!
This right here.
Why anyone would want to have a user name like that - and then post some of the stuff that has been posted - just invites critical response.
You proved nothing. You copied and pasted erroneous information that was so unfamiliar to you that you overlooked an obvious error. You were either incredibly ignorant or blatantly dishonest (again). It's what happens when you concoct a false story, just as it happened when you didn't have any idea about the banners in Assembly Hall.
If they could ever get the messaging system here to work properly, I would send you a message to prove. There is distinct reason why I don't publicly, and that has been reaffirmed by the actions of a few people here.
What's absurd, is someone claiming I cut and pasted something that can be absolutely proven without a shadow of a doubt with a google search. If something is cut and pasted and you re-paste in Google, it will show all the sites that the copy came from. When shown that his claim was 100% false, he is still in denial. That is what is absurd. Now, I'm happy to share with you privately, but not a chance with some of these other guys. Not a chance. Way too destructive, some of the so in the bag it would do a disservice to friends still in the industry and working at IU.
Feel free to send me PM and I'll see if I can respond to it, but in the past I couldn't despite talking to Jeff, Mike and others.
Send me an e-mail shimatoree84@gmail.com
I will not share any info, but perhaps (if the evidence is strong) it would help bring an end to this holy war. Probably not, but it's worth a shot.
Pater, let me know who you plan on doing this. With some of these guys, they keep this war going, so they aren't just going to take your word for it. They don't have the intestinal fortitude to handle it. Please let me know how you are going to convince them based on the evidence I give you without you revealing the evidence.
It's a good point. I just figured if you had strong evidence, I would just say that it was enough for me to believe you... that's all I got!
Mostly, I figured that, if you were for real, it would be nice to prove it to somebody. Regardless, I think you have shown yourself to be pretty knowledgeable aside from a mistake here and there, so it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. If nothing else you're a solid researcher and I can respect that.
If however there's a chance to get this whole thing off the table, I'm all for taking a peek at your evidence and giving it a thumbs up or down. I certainly won't reveal the evidence, because I'm not a jackass
Does it really matter at this point?
Let's play Devil's Advocate here a minute. Let's say you HAVE worked in Athletic Depts.
Just WHY would anyone from that position want to take on a user name of "because I know" and act as condescendingly as you have? That's the bigger question.
You posted this above:
"Please let me know how you are going to convince them based on the evidence I give you without you revealing the evidence"
That same sentence could have been sent in the email (I'm assuming, since Pater left you an address). But you put it out here, for all to see.
Why?
The one he's "not a fan of". Pretty funny considering there's so much animosity between us and yet we can agree on that.
Forgive me if I'm off base here, but is your argument that those conference title banners weren't around when Knight was here? As far as I can tell, they were put up sometime in the Davis era, as they aren't there in this pic from 2001 (MD's first year)...1) Where have I ever said I know all the answers? (did you find that in the same place you found the info on Bob Knight hanging Big Ten championship banners?)
2) Whose user name is "becauseIknow"? Not mine.
You have claimed to be an administrator at IU in the athletic dept - yet you can't recall just whom you worked for? Yeah, right . . .
How that banner thingy coming along for ya knowItAll?
However, there are numerous pics from the Knight era that show the 1983 B1G title banner that Knight put up, along with finalist, NIT, and UPI banners as seen above. Those were there throughout the 80s and 90s. The 83 banner was removed sometime in the Davis era and Crean put it back up. You can get a bit of a look at the other banners here, from Knight's last year in 2000:
With all that said, why does any of this matter? We've always celebrated things others than NCAA titles.
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The argument is about BIK claiming to have worked with RMK yet somehow not knowing he only hung the one conference title banner(and in his all too familiar condescending manner). The original argument was that at IU conference titles while a nice accomplishment they should be more of an expectation than a celebration.Forgive me if I'm off base here, but is your argument that those conference title banners weren't around when Knight was here? As far as I can tell, they were put up sometime in the Davis era, as they aren't there in this pic from 2001 (MD's first year)...
However, there are numerous pics from the Knight era that show the 1983 B1G title banner that Knight put up, along with finalist, NIT, and UPI banners as seen above. Those were there throughout the 80s and 90s. The 83 banner was removed sometime in the Davis era and Crean put it back up. You can get a bit of a look at the other banners here, from Knight's last year in 2000:
With all that said, why does any of this matter? We've always celebrated things others than NCAA titles.
It's not a question of Have, because I did for decades. The username was somewhat tongue in cheek because I know stuff that goes on that the average fan doesn't. There's no devil advocate equation at all. Now, with the continued ridiculous actions by some of you, there is a reason I won't put it publicly. Even so, I've left you enough clues and bread crumbs for you to figure out, including years. All one has to do is grab a few media guides.
This quote from you is exactly why there is fear, not for me, but for them. Some of you are so irrational, it truly is scary.
Forgive me if I'm off base here, but is your argument that those conference title banners weren't around when Knight was here? As far as I can tell, they were put up sometime in the Davis era, as they aren't there in this pic from 2001 (MD's first year)...
However, there are numerous pics from the Knight era that show the 1983 B1G title banner that Knight put up, along with finalist, NIT, and UPI banners as seen above. Those were there throughout the 80s and 90s. The 83 banner was removed sometime in the Davis era and Crean put it back up. You can get a bit of a look at the other banners here, from Knight's last year in 2000:
With all that said, why does any of this matter? We've always celebrated things others than NCAA titles.
That is correct, but these guys don't want to deal with those facts. You see, I'm seen as a Crean supporter (I'm actually an IU head basketball coach supporter when they do things the right way), so I'm questioned as a result. Also, the banners inside the Hall that can be seen from the court were not the only banners, trophies, etc that were on display. Which is what I also stated. But they didn't like those facts either.
As I correctly stated, KNIGHT put up the Big Ten championship banner, but these guys don't want to believe it. Furthermore, guys like Shirts&Skins want to say a Big Ten regular season championship isn't an elite accomplishment. Some of these same frauds claim a Big Ten Tournament championship is, which is truly outstanding. That's how this conversation got started.
Never have I seen a fanbase like ours, tear down accomplishments by young men and minimalize those accomplishments because of their agenda and hatred for the head coach, who has actually done more for the basketball program in the last 20 years than any coach we have had. It is truly remarkable, and at times shameful the fans we have.
Shameful.
You are changing what you said, which we are used to but......you even posted a pic of a banner that was hung after RMK was fired. Pic worth a thousand words?
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