It's getting worse and worse.
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And yet, even as the situation gets more dire every day, the STUPIDS resolutely dig in. I'm guessing they're convinced the rights to "stupidity and stubbornness" are somehow ingrained into the Bill of Rights. If only "stupidity" was one of those choices you could make without affecting anyone else...
Trump is a lock to carry West Texas. I have no idea what the claim that Abbott "has failed to give our nation a contrasted worldview to that of California or New York" is supposed to mean since Abbott is a Trumper thru and thru. And his Lt Governor Patrick has been a huge proponent of (other) people dying so his grandkids don't lose their "wealth"...
I just wish these "free Texans" could limit the damage to what they're going to inflict on themselves and their own families and not bring death to innocent people who are going to die because they come into direct or indirect contact with one of the terminally STUPID. I think that Ellison should rename her bar "Stupid Sweden", because she's apparently advocating the same simplistic notion of "herd immunity" which has proven to be an epic failure in Sweden.
Not only do they have more deaths in Sweden than the rest of Scandinavia combined, but the evidence now indicates their economic fallout will not be any better than that of their neighbors.
"But that has not won Abbott support on the right. Instead, many conservatives have strongly criticized the steps that Abbott has taken — such as closing bars and limiting restaurant service, as well as the mask requirement — in response to the huge increase in cases.
“There’s a lot of frustration that the governor is not giving our nation a contrasted worldview to that of California or New York,” said Luke Macias, a conservative Republican political consultant in Texas who said that Abbott had not offered a conservative vision of how to deal with the crisis. “With Abbott, he’s tried to have his cake and eat it too; he wants to not protect your individual liberty and then say he is.”
Before Abbott’s latest order, mayors in West Texas had blocked efforts to require residents to wear masks while inside stores, in some cases linking their opposition to disgust with leaders in Austin and Washington.
“Free Americans, and free Texans, must not allow a fractious, divided and politically motivated body of values lightweights to dictate day-to-day living,” Mayor Patrick Payton of Midland said at a news conference Wednesday.
Gabrielle Ellison was elated to hear that message. Ellison is the owner of Big Daddy Zane’s, a bar in Odessa that attracted national attention in May after it joined with other businesses in Texas and, aided by men carrying assault rifles, reopened in defiance of state restrictions.
Ellison said she was defying the state’s order again and keeping her bar open. She has joined a statewide lawsuit over the governor’s closures.
“To me that is a life-and-death situation,” she said. “I can’t feed my family. My bartenders can’t feed their families.”
If anything, she said, the aggressive growth of coronavirus cases in Odessa made her more confident in reopening.
“It has affected it in a more positive way,” she said. “We’re having people survive,” she said, adding, “Let’s just let this run its course.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/west-texas-lingering-distrust-government-151312538.html?guccounter=1
Meanwhile, Trump is reportedly preparing to tell us we’re on our own and have fun with all the winning. Sociopathic incompetence.
He may just be a sexual sadist also and is getting off on people willing to die for him and dying because him him. Ultimate power over life and death.
Or its just some liberal agenda.
Not sure if that's what Emma Lazarus had in mind when she wrote the New Colossus.
Honestly, I don't understand how it's getting worse. The WH press sec just said we're leading the world. We're #1!
On a side note, this site should allow us to embed clips from C-SPAN.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4891271/user-clip-shes-delusional
On a side note, this site should allow us to embed clips from C-SPAN.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4891271/user-clip-shes-delusional
Worth a listen to interviews of two metropolitan officials tasked with managing the pandemic in their respective cities:
(6.40mins onwards)
https://tunein.com/podcasts/News--P...ewsHour---Full-Show-p47926/?topicId=151973912
Video:
(7.30m onwards)
Its criminal. Political rather than a healthcare agenda.
(6.40mins onwards)
https://tunein.com/podcasts/News--P...ewsHour---Full-Show-p47926/?topicId=151973912
Video:
(7.30m onwards)
Its criminal. Political rather than a healthcare agenda.
I did a napkin calculation -- there are 110million Americans vulnerable to it -- chronic, elderly etc. But now you are finding younger adults getting it. So the 110million pool may actually be larger.
who do people think is going to pick up the the bill for the pandemic in the US?
do they think private health insurance is going to pay the tab they owe, or that private insurance will pass the tab to the govt?
anyone know where i can place a bet on who picks up the tab?
btw, the Fed is buying the big banks' junk bonds as we speak.
big business and billionaires absolutely love socialism, they just like it "all for me, none for you", like everything else.
Bernie just made the fatal error of trying to serve the wrong class.
It's Trump's fault . . . thanks TrumPence!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...af9f5e-bfb2-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...af9f5e-bfb2-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html
India is a very densely populated country with poor healthcare systems and a much larger population. India has 20,000 deaths. Japan is a densely populated island with one of the oldest populations in the world. They have less than a thousand deaths.
I cannot understand how anyone thinks we are doing anything better than failing miserably. We seem to take the view that if we do not play, we cannot lose.
It is reported today that 43 hospitals in FL are at 100% ICU population. Heck, their governor sjust now was bragging that the hospitalizations of long care facility patients with COVID is down. So if the hospitals are filling up, it is not from long care patients. So there is a problem beyond people who were about to die anyway, contrary to what some seem to keep sayingm
I'd like to underline this point, Marv . . . young people are in the line of fire, and they don't have enough experience of the world to acknowledge the threat and adjust.
With the disclaimer that I am not a doctor nor epidemiologist, what I have read is that viral l9ad is important. If the load is high enough, even young and healthy can have issues before their immune systems respond adequately. IF that is true, what does it say about bars being opened? 4 hours next to someone infected may be much worse than 45 minutes at a restaurant or a subway.
I have a buddy who is a retired Army physician and epidemiologist . . . I'll ask him about your comments. It makes sense . . .
. . . I will say this: he's so far against reopening he's not even within the bounds of our discussions here. That he's 85 and diabetic might have some influence on his attitude . . . .
I would be very curious to hear his opinion. I see some mixed results in Google but the general belief is that since it is true in influenza it is likely true with COVID. But that's just educated guesswork. Since we can't ethically take a healthy young person and infect them with a massive amount of COVID to see what happens, we are probably stuck with guessing for now.
Another crazy person upset about being asked to wear a mask, this time at Costco. Supposedly before the video he was yelling at an elderly woman who asked him to wear a mask. The irony of him walking aggressively at someone screaming "I feel threatened" while wearing a shirt that says "running the world since 1776" is pretty rich. I wouldn't think someone recording you from 10 feet away would be threatening to someone running the world.
https://god.dailydot.com/florida-man-i-feel-threatened/
https://god.dailydot.com/florida-man-i-feel-threatened/
Do people act this way when entering a store that has a sign saying, "No shoes, no shirt, no service"?
Good point, these freedom lovers would have a better complaint if they were nude.
He is running out of stunts. To withdraw from the WHO in the middle of a pandemic.
He has to be working for Russia or China. They could never have asked for a better agent.
One of the standards I use to determine how much I respect someone is the degree to which they act in accordance with what they profess. The gaps have been widening over the last 20 years and have become more persistent . . . my sense is that the character of Americans is changing, and not for the better . . . .
The WHO may have made a mistake in China, bit the US position on its board has been unfulfilled so maybe our guidance would have helped.
Now I accept the general line on Corona but it is not set in stone. We know there was supposedly a sewage sample with the virus in Spain in March of 19. That might be a mistake, but there is also a sewage sample reported to Italy from November and Brazil in December. It MIGHT be our narrative is wrong. https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/t...ave-originated-in-china-says-oxford-professor
Yet again this administration's allergy to and incompetence at soft power will have the opposite effect of what they say they want. We could have used this as an opportunity to push the WHO to be less trusting of authoritarian governments and more independent. Instead we are doing exactly the opposite, giving up our seat at the table and leaving China with more power and more influence.
I have always wondered how a determination could be made as to the actual origin. What I do think is material...and what I believe most scientists are actually saying is that the virus got it's initial foothold in a population in China. This doesn't change the accountability for communicating the reality of the situation.
This is simply deflection. Wants to create blame everywhere but in his own rose garden.
The federal plan is the flu plan, however many we lose is just the cost of doing business. Florida seems to accept that. Angela Merkel seems to have outed the rest of the plan, fight the pandemic with lies.
Texas seems to think that nibbling along the edges is the plan. Several other states buy into that.
The rust belt numbers are creeping up. We will soon see if we have a plan.
A Kentucky judge just ruled against their governor enforcing action, let's see how that progresses.
I also think that because the virus is natural, some of us are willing to accept it as God's will and there is nothing we can do. We would be better off if it was engineered in a Chinese lab. Then we would more agree there is a patriotic duty to fight the virus.
The reason deaths are up is because we perform more autopsies than any other countries. Some say our coroners are the bestest in the world. If we performed fewer autopsies we’d have fewer dead people. This push to perform more autopsies on “dead” people is to hurt my reelection.
One of my doctor friends messaged me on something about Fox and their misinformation. She said it looks like the looney (Trump) has taken the country a 1000 steps times backwards with the management of the pandemic. She's on the frontline so she cant understand what going on there. How is it even possible to feck it up that badly.
It hit the 1 Million (official) cases mark, 57,000 deaths on 27th April. Ten weeks later it's 3.35million/137,400 (official) deaths later -- and the game plan is to carry on as usual.
He golfed on the weekend.
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Indiana's rate of infection, the number of people a single person infects, is up to 1.12. The highest since April. We spent most of the time sense around .91.
The positive testing rate is 7.3, 5 is the goal.
Given the number contact tracers at work and the number of infections, Indiana appears capable of contact tracing 21% of sick people. So most people will not be told they have had contact with someone sick and will thus spread the disease themselves.
https://www.covidactnow.org/us/in/?s=662109
The positive testing rate is 7.3, 5 is the goal.
Given the number contact tracers at work and the number of infections, Indiana appears capable of contact tracing 21% of sick people. So most people will not be told they have had contact with someone sick and will thus spread the disease themselves.
https://www.covidactnow.org/us/in/?s=662109
Thats just crazy. R >1 should mean an escalation of measures.
What we seem to have an issue here has been the migrant workers in dorms. For some reason, the problem has not been eliminated. Was at 1400-1500 per day to then 400-500 per day and now its 150+ per day.
One reason I suspect is that with widespread testing, the new testers themselves aren't doing it right -- giving too many false negatives using the PCR tests. Its a skill to be able to extract the virus deep inside the head or halfway to your brain as some would describe it. Plus some swabs are better than others but human error I suspect is more prevalent than anticipated. Its like some are more skilled at giving a job than others.
The other is that they may be getting tested too early -- like the 1st 2-5days, the PCR tests arent as effective.
Marion County has began a mask mandate, the state has began a social media campaign to wear masks. Monroe County says it is probably going to be a requirement soon, our R rate is 1.15. Hamilton is up to 1.24, I am not sure if they have measures yet but that is getting incredibly high.
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