I saw a clip of Trump with Brett Baer where Trump is whining about "voter fraud" and a stolen election. Baer is having none of it and Trump just gets more and more desperate to get Baer to agree with him. Trump repeatedly urges Baer to "watch 2000 mules" and evokes TTV as the "organization" that proved voter fraud, specifically in GA.
We also have 2000 mules lovers on this board who are well aware of and have referenced TTV in connection with 2000 mules. Coincidentally enough, several of the people who swear by TTV are also the same folks who posted ad nauseum about the DF 1023 from a "trusted, reliable source" and how it proved Biden had been bribed $ 5 million to "fire Shokin" to "protect Burisma". Sort of the pre 2000 mules edition of Conspiracy Theories greates hits...
We now know that Smirnov was above all else an opportunistic con man, and it appears TTV may turn out to be an organization comprised of similar grifters who took advantage of people within the MAGA world who were eager to be seperated from their money. So it's fitting that TTV merged their talents with con man (and convicted felon) D'Souza to make the movie.As an aside the founder of TTV who appears in the movie has also spent time behind bars...
Dinesh, TTV and Gregg Phillips and Cathy Engelbrecht of TTV are all being sued by Mark Andrews over being labeled a mule and featured in the film. Basically Andrews joined the list of people like Ruby Freeman, her daughter Shay Moss, and Rusty Bowers (and several others) who had their lives turned upside down by MAGA enthusiasts after Trump attacked them over trying to steal the election.
The most recent info I could find on that specific case, which includes causes for both violation of GA defamation law and the KKK act, is this article from Oct detailing how a Fed Judge in GA ruled the suit could go forward. Apparently we are now in the discovery phase, and it will be very interesting to see what ensues from that...
“We now look forward to proving in court that the defendants’ actions violate the Klan Act, passed by Congress in the wake of Reconstruction to prohibit the kind of intimidation that defendants remain engaged in, as well as Georgia law prohibiting defamation, false light, and appropriation of likeness,” said Von Dubose, of Dubose Miller. “Today’s win is a significant victory on the road to justice on behalf of Mr. Andrews.”
protectdemocracy.org
But what got my attention and inspired this thread is the fact that TTV has already been in court on a related matter. Last year the State of GA and the GA election board in their attempt to investigate the allegations made in 2000 mules brought TTV to court in an attempt to obtain the data and evidence that the allegations were based on.The judge ruled that TTV had to turn over all of the evidence including witness names and statements so that the GBI could contact them and further investigate their claims.
It's been a year and TTV has continued to stonewall and claim they have no evidence, so the State of GA issued a subpoena. And in a court filing in response to the subpoena, CCTV was forced to make some pretty damaging admissions that will hurt them in both this case, and the Andrews lawsuit as well. It could even shake up some mules enthusiasts' belief in the organized grift masquerading as a movie...
Keep in mind that in an interview with WAPO one of the defendants (Gregg Phillips) admitted that the map used in 2000 mules was fake.In the court filing in response to the subpoena TTV was forced to admit that they didn't know the identity of the whistleblower who they claimed reached out to them to reveal the $10/vote mule scam when they went to the GBI with their initial claims.
And for their past year of stonewalling, TTV had claimed they couldn't reveal the names of their sources due to confidentiality agreements between them and the various parties. Yet in response to the subpoena they couldn't produce any evidence, not even the confidentiality agreements they claimed existed.
apnews.com
And this GA case is not the first time TTV has made wild allegations of fraud to a state's election officials. The same scenario occurred in AZ in 2022. And again the GOP elections officials and AG asked TTV to share their evidence, which TTV declined to do. As a result AZ declined to investigate any further, since they had no evidence...
AZ didn't press the issue in court the way GA later did.But the AZ AG,taking notice of the bucketloads of cash TTV was raking in over their grifting operation, reached out to both the IRS and FBI to look into their finances and the entire operation. So more legal trouble could be heading TTV's way at some point in the future...
In the meantime TTV seems to be headed down the same defamation reckoning trail that Rudy and Trump have already discovered in the Freeman/Moss and EJC cases respectively. In response to the subpoena for documentary evidence including confidentiality agreements, TTV's attorney wrote that "TTV has no such documents in it's possession, custody or control".
While that may quash the subpoena, I'm not sure it does anything to help their defense in the lawsuit. And since part of the lawsuit requires Dinesh to provide the evidence he used to make the "film" (I'd suggest grifting project) and that doesn't actually exist, I'd say Mr Andrews has some significant cash coming his way...
And he might start a chain reaction of other litigants...
We also have 2000 mules lovers on this board who are well aware of and have referenced TTV in connection with 2000 mules. Coincidentally enough, several of the people who swear by TTV are also the same folks who posted ad nauseum about the DF 1023 from a "trusted, reliable source" and how it proved Biden had been bribed $ 5 million to "fire Shokin" to "protect Burisma". Sort of the pre 2000 mules edition of Conspiracy Theories greates hits...
We now know that Smirnov was above all else an opportunistic con man, and it appears TTV may turn out to be an organization comprised of similar grifters who took advantage of people within the MAGA world who were eager to be seperated from their money. So it's fitting that TTV merged their talents with con man (and convicted felon) D'Souza to make the movie.As an aside the founder of TTV who appears in the movie has also spent time behind bars...
Dinesh, TTV and Gregg Phillips and Cathy Engelbrecht of TTV are all being sued by Mark Andrews over being labeled a mule and featured in the film. Basically Andrews joined the list of people like Ruby Freeman, her daughter Shay Moss, and Rusty Bowers (and several others) who had their lives turned upside down by MAGA enthusiasts after Trump attacked them over trying to steal the election.
The most recent info I could find on that specific case, which includes causes for both violation of GA defamation law and the KKK act, is this article from Oct detailing how a Fed Judge in GA ruled the suit could go forward. Apparently we are now in the discovery phase, and it will be very interesting to see what ensues from that...
“We now look forward to proving in court that the defendants’ actions violate the Klan Act, passed by Congress in the wake of Reconstruction to prohibit the kind of intimidation that defendants remain engaged in, as well as Georgia law prohibiting defamation, false light, and appropriation of likeness,” said Von Dubose, of Dubose Miller. “Today’s win is a significant victory on the road to justice on behalf of Mr. Andrews.”
Judge Rules Against Dinesh D’Souza et. al, Allows Case to Proceed
Today, a federal court greenlit a lawsuit against Dinesh D’Souza and others for peddling manufactured lies that the 2020 presidential election was stolen.
protectdemocracy.org
But what got my attention and inspired this thread is the fact that TTV has already been in court on a related matter. Last year the State of GA and the GA election board in their attempt to investigate the allegations made in 2000 mules brought TTV to court in an attempt to obtain the data and evidence that the allegations were based on.The judge ruled that TTV had to turn over all of the evidence including witness names and statements so that the GBI could contact them and further investigate their claims.
It's been a year and TTV has continued to stonewall and claim they have no evidence, so the State of GA issued a subpoena. And in a court filing in response to the subpoena, CCTV was forced to make some pretty damaging admissions that will hurt them in both this case, and the Andrews lawsuit as well. It could even shake up some mules enthusiasts' belief in the organized grift masquerading as a movie...
Keep in mind that in an interview with WAPO one of the defendants (Gregg Phillips) admitted that the map used in 2000 mules was fake.In the court filing in response to the subpoena TTV was forced to admit that they didn't know the identity of the whistleblower who they claimed reached out to them to reveal the $10/vote mule scam when they went to the GBI with their initial claims.
And for their past year of stonewalling, TTV had claimed they couldn't reveal the names of their sources due to confidentiality agreements between them and the various parties. Yet in response to the subpoena they couldn't produce any evidence, not even the confidentiality agreements they claimed existed.
Conservative group tells judge it has no evidence to back its claims of Georgia ballot stuffing
A conservative group that claimed to uncover a ballot stuffing scheme in Georgia has told a judge it has no evidence to back up its allegations.
apnews.com
And this GA case is not the first time TTV has made wild allegations of fraud to a state's election officials. The same scenario occurred in AZ in 2022. And again the GOP elections officials and AG asked TTV to share their evidence, which TTV declined to do. As a result AZ declined to investigate any further, since they had no evidence...
AZ didn't press the issue in court the way GA later did.But the AZ AG,taking notice of the bucketloads of cash TTV was raking in over their grifting operation, reached out to both the IRS and FBI to look into their finances and the entire operation. So more legal trouble could be heading TTV's way at some point in the future...
In the meantime TTV seems to be headed down the same defamation reckoning trail that Rudy and Trump have already discovered in the Freeman/Moss and EJC cases respectively. In response to the subpoena for documentary evidence including confidentiality agreements, TTV's attorney wrote that "TTV has no such documents in it's possession, custody or control".
While that may quash the subpoena, I'm not sure it does anything to help their defense in the lawsuit. And since part of the lawsuit requires Dinesh to provide the evidence he used to make the "film" (I'd suggest grifting project) and that doesn't actually exist, I'd say Mr Andrews has some significant cash coming his way...
And he might start a chain reaction of other litigants...
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