Is there a reason basketball needed to have an event now?

[Hoosiers47614]

Too many fans already look for the first possible reason (bullshit excuse) to abandon and ignore the football team during the season for basketball, and now the school is letting them steal the spotlight and distract people before the football team even plays a game.

It is so f*cking frustrating that this school’s athletic priorities will never be in the right place for a serious power conference school, and this is just one of many examples.

From making Allen pay out of pocket to fire assistants, to knowingly scheduling Midnight Madness on the same day as football games time after time after time, to countless other obvious examples of favoritism throughout time.

It never ends, and the school going out of its way to try to kneecap the football program and any enthusiasm it might build doesn’t seem like it will either. The last thing the team needs going into a crucial opener is a bunch of casuals looking ahead to basketball and not caring or showing up, but that’s clearly what IU wants.

 

[Radio Zero]

Too many fans already look for the first possible reason (bullshit excuse) to abandon and ignore the football team during the season for basketball, and now the school is letting them steal the spotlight and distract people before the football team even plays a game.

It is so f*cking frustrating that this school’s athletic priorities will never be in the right place for a serious power conference school, and this is just one of many examples.

From making Allen pay out of pocket to fire assistants, to knowingly scheduling Midnight Madness on the same day as football games time after time after time, to countless other obvious examples of favoritism throughout time.

It never ends, and the school going out of its way to try to kneecap the football program and any enthusiasm it might build doesn’t seem like it will either. The last thing the team needs going into a crucial opener is a bunch of casuals looking ahead to basketball and not caring or showing up, but that’s clearly what IU wants.

To what are you referring?

(I don’t disagree with most of what you wrote, by the way.)

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

We can start worrying about the 9th place basketball team when the end of November rolls around.

 

[Pazhoosier85]

I see nothing wrong with it. It's a NIL event put on by the Hoosier Hysterics. We are kind of in a dead zone with no actual football until 2 weeks from Friday.

 

[Crossblock]

Too many fans already look for the first possible reason (bullshit excuse) to abandon and ignore the football team during the season for basketball, and now the school is letting them steal the spotlight and distract people before the football team even plays a game.

It is so f*cking frustrating that this school’s athletic priorities will never be in the right place for a serious power conference school, and this is just one of many examples.

From making Allen pay out of pocket to fire assistants, to knowingly scheduling Midnight Madness on the same day as football games time after time after time, to countless other obvious examples of favoritism throughout time.

It never ends, and the school going out of its way to try to kneecap the football program and any enthusiasm it might build doesn’t seem like it will either. The last thing the team needs going into a crucial opener is a bunch of casuals looking ahead to basketball and not caring or showing up, but that’s clearly what IU wants.

A number of years ago our local newspaper (which at that time had beat writers) had a huge headline on the front page of the Sports Section on a Friday about Midnight Madness taking place that night. On saturday We were playing Michigan State in a game where a Win would have made Us Bowl Eligible. That story was buried four pages back, My point to the Newspaper was if We were in the middle of March and IU Basketball was playing in the NCAA Regionals but Spring Football practice started the next day, would the lead headline have been about Opening Of Spring Practice?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

A number of years ago our local newspaper (which at that time had beat writers) had a huge headline on the front page of the Sports Section on a Friday about Midnight Madness taking place that night. On saturday We were playing Michigan State in a game where a Win would have made Us Bowl Eligible. That story was buried four pages back, My point to the Newspaper was if We were in the middle of March and IU Basketball was playing in the NCAA Regionals but Spring Football practice started the next day, would the lead headline have been about Opening Of Spring Practice?

UNC, Duke, Kansas all have similar stories. Comes with the territory.

 

[td75]

It's NIL bullsh!t. Talked to an old high school friend of mine who took his son.

The hype around the program on a yearly basis only to finish mid pack, is telling.

 

[TomEric4756]

Why can’t we celebrate both our revenue sports?
Don’t we all want to see a raucous AH for home games this year?
Maybe the lesson is the football team needs its own meet the fans event?

Yes, this year’s football team will need to earn press coverage on the field.
IU is favored to win v. Illinois and at Nebraska.
The opportunity is there for the taking.
I think we can reverse last year’s losses to Maryland and Rutgers and get bowl eligible early

“Here are the game-by-game projections per the FPI:

• Sept. 2 vs. Illinois — 66.3% chance of winning
• Sept. 10 vs. Idaho — 96.6% chance of winning
• Sept. 17 vs. Western Kentucky — 52.9% chance of winning
• Sept. 24 at Cincinnati — 17.1% chance of winning
• Oct. 1 at Nebraska — 84% chance of winning
• Oct. 8 vs. Michigan — 14.1% chance of winning
• Oct. 15 vs. Maryland — 36.1% chance of winning
• Oct. 22 at Rutgers — 36.1% chance of winning
• Nov. 5 vs. Penn State — 42.9% chance of winning
• Nov. 12 at Ohio State — 2% chance of winning
• Nov. 19 at Michigan State — 87.7% chance of winning
• Nov. 26 vs. Purdue — 36.8% chance of winning”

https://saturdaytradition.com/india...ions-espns-fpi-projects-hoosiers-2022-season/

 

[hickorytree1]

It's NIL bullsh!t. Talked to an old high school friend of mine who took his son.

The hype around the program on a yearly basis only to finish mid pack, is telling.

How dare those marketing folks promote the program to sell tickets. Outlandish!!

 

[76-1]

How dare those marketing folks promote the program to sell tickets. Outlandish!!

It'd be nice if "those marketing folks" remembered we have a FOOTBALL TEAM occasionally too... 😎

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Why can’t we celebrate both our revenue sports?
Don’t we all want to see a raucous AH for home games this year?
Maybe the lesson is the football team needs its own meet the fans event?

Yes, this year’s football team will need to earn press coverage on the field.
IU is favored to win v. Illinois and at Nebraska.
The opportunity is there for the taking.
I think we can reverse last year’s losses to Maryland and Rutgers and get bowl eligible early

“Here are the game-by-game projections per the FPI:

• Sept. 2 vs. Illinois — 66.3% chance of winning
• Sept. 10 vs. Idaho — 96.6% chance of winning
• Sept. 17 vs. Western Kentucky — 52.9% chance of winning
• Sept. 24 at Cincinnati — 17.1% chance of winning
• Oct. 1 at Nebraska — 84% chance of winning
• Oct. 8 vs. Michigan — 14.1% chance of winning
• Oct. 15 vs. Maryland — 36.1% chance of winning
• Oct. 22 at Rutgers — 36.1% chance of winning
• Nov. 5 vs. Penn State — 42.9% chance of winning
• Nov. 12 at Ohio State — 2% chance of winning
• Nov. 19 at Michigan State — 87.7% chance of winning
• Nov. 26 vs. Purdue — 36.8% chance of winning”

https://saturdaytradition.com/india...ions-espns-fpi-projects-hoosiers-2022-season/

So we have an 84% chance to win at Nebraska, and an 87% chance to win at MSU, but only a 53% chance to beat Western Kentucky at home?

Those fellas do not know what they are talking about.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

How dare those marketing folks promote the program to sell tickets. Outlandish!!

Not the point. He was complaining about doing that at a time and in a manner which arguably detracts from the football team, which needs mote support right NOW 2 weeks before the first game than basketball, which is still more than 2 months away.

Looks bad.

Tone deaf about send a wrong message about football.

Its easier to fund hoops too.

I am not convinced IU (school, athletic department, alumni, corporate supporters) will give the same NIL efforts to football, and will learn “the hard way” that football is driving a $1 billion dollar TV income wagon, and needs constant attention to keep THAT money spigot flowing.

“Ignore football at your peril.” Signed, Current College Athletic Market

 

[hookyIU1990]

We're supposed to be upset about the basketball team doing this when the football team is cloaked in secrecy so Illinois doesn't know what we're running?

No spring game and no similar fan event makes it sound like Football isn't concerned about fan attention.

ETA~
Is there a reason the football program couldn't do events like this to raise interest?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

We're supposed to be upset about the basketball team doing this when the football team is cloaked in secrecy so Illinois doesn't know what we're running?

No spring game and no similar fan event makes it sound like Football isn't concerned about fan attention.

ETA~
Is there a reason the football program couldn't do events like this to raise interest?

Well, for a university with a world-famous business school, it seems our athletic marketing is below the mean for Power 5 universities.

The time to do this for football would have been Day 1 of Fall Camp - when no secrets would have been revealed anyway - and (hopefully) support for the team woulda produced impact and good vibes.

But CONTRA = adjusting to COVID and NIL overwhelmed us, they need the time to get better, football fan support is at a low due to 2-10 and no publicity is better than a 2,000 person turnout, and "legal" support for football NIL trails support for hoops NIL (easier to fund 13 players than 85, and basketball had a better year).

PS - schools waiting for NCAA to define "legal" NIL rules are falling further behind the schools that were always paying-for-play anyway.

PPS - I have doubts that IU will EVER play big-time NIL. If we could, we would have already announced money deals. Paying scholarships that comply withTitle IX isn't even a start now. And according to SCOTUS, paying a full ride, plus housing, plus meals, plus pocket-money and travel stipends, plus health care, plus tutoring unavailable to non-athletes, doesn't even count as "paying" athletes ANYTHING - they are "free labor!"

 

[Torbin.Bequette]

Oct. 1 at Nebraska — 84% chance of winning

This must be a typo. Other than tOSU, no conference team has an 84% chance of winning in Lincoln. Nebraska has talent, a lot of it.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Well, for a university with a world-famous business school, it seems our athletic marketing is below the mean for Power 5 universities.

The time to do this for football would have been Day 1 of Fall Camp - when no secrets would have been revealed anyway - and (hopefully) support for the team woulda produced impact and good vibes.

But CONTRA = adjusting to COVID and NIL overwhelmed us, they need the time to get better, football fan support is at a low due to 2-10 and no publicity is better than a 2,000 person turnout, and "legal" support for football NIL trails support for hoops NIL (easier to fund 13 players than 85, and basketball had a better year).

PS - schools waiting for NCAA to define "legal" NIL rules are falling further behind the schools that were always paying-for-play anyway.

PPS - I have doubts that IU will EVER play big-time NIL. If we could, we would have already announced money deals. Paying scholarships that comply withTitle IX isn't even a start now. And according to SCOTUS, paying a full ride, plus housing, plus meals, plus pocket-money and travel stipends, plus health care, plus tutoring unavailable to non-athletes, doesn't even count as "paying" athletes ANYTHING - they are "free labor!"

There's no doubt that we're fighting an uphill battle with NIL and football, but the university has put the tools in place and supported NIL for all the programs, not just hoops. It's now up to the collectives and individuals to put their money into the agreements with the athletes. I don't know what to think about the lack of NIL opportunities for the football program, but I also don't see how this event is undermining football either.

Do we even run a youth football camp or skills camp? Honest question, because I'm unaware of one. Those are something that build lifelong ties to a program.

 

[IU Fan 1989]

This must be a typo. Other than tOSU, no conference team has an 84% chance of winning in Lincoln. Nebraska has talent, a lot of it.

He has MSU and Nebraska backwards. IU isn’t favored in either.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

UNC, Duke, Kansas all have similar stories. Comes with the territory.

And all 3 are currently relevant in basketball.
There is supposedly 1 “basketball school” in the Big Ten. That’s IU.
And yet, it consistently finishes no higher than 6th place each year. It’s not unusual though. There are plenty of other examples of fanatical interest in a mediocre product throughout sports.

 

[UncleMark]

From making Allen pay out of pocket to fire assistants, to knowingly scheduling Midnight Madness on the same day as football games time after time after time, to countless other obvious examples of favoritism throughout time.

I don't understand why this would be a problem. In fact, I think that's the way it should be done as long as they time the start of Midnight Madness to be substantially after the end of the football game, so basketball doesn't siphon fans away.

 

[UncleMark]

It's now up to the collectives and individuals to put their money into the agreements with the athletes. I don't know what to think about the lack of NIL opportunities for the football program,

I've always thought that overall, NIL would be harder for football that basketball. The first obvious reason is just in the numbers, 13 players vs. 80-something. But there's also the image and likeness part of it -- by it's nature, with football players being so much further away and wearing helmets, it's unlikely that we actually are able to recognize many or most of the players. Hell, we bitched when they took the names off the jerseys. Seriously, if we saw a billboard with a picture of Jack Tuttle, how many of us would know who that was? Be honest. Now do the same with Race Thompson.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

And all 3 are currently relevant in basketball.
There is supposedly 1 “basketball school” in the Big Ten. That’s IU.
And yet, it consistently finishes no higher than 6th place each year. It’s not unusual though. There are plenty of other examples of fanatical interest in a mediocre product throughout sports.

Ok.

Different topic, but if it makes you feel good...go for it.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I've always thought that overall, NIL would be harder for football that basketball. The first obvious reason is just in the numbers, 13 players vs. 80-something. But there's also the image and likeness part of it -- by it's nature, with football players being so much further away and wearing helmets, it's unlikely that we actually are able to recognize many or most of the players. Hell, we bitched when they took the names off the jerseys. Seriously, if we saw a billboard with a picture of Jack Tuttle, how many of us would know who that was? Be honest. Now do the same with Race Thompson.

All a metter of priority.

Football schools have not had an issue getting Football NIL going. It was their priority.

MBB has to be the priority for Indiana and FB will follow.

Is Jack Tuttle recognazable to most? No, but Penix was, Zander was, Ramsey was, ARE was, Suds was, Trent green was, Coleman was, Ogunleye was, Tegray was, Tracy Porter was.

This isn't a FB factory, but some players are already on programs and more will follow. Keep the faith.

 

[UncleMark]

Is Jack Tuttle recognazable to most? No, but Penix was, Zander was, Ramsey was, ARE was, Suds was, Trent green was, Coleman was, Ogunleye was, Tegray was, Tracy Porter was.

You must pay a lot more attention than I do. I'd recognize a couple of those guys, but couldn't pick most out of a lineup. Maybe I'm just a bad fan.

 

[iubud]

Too many fans already look for the first possible reason (bullshit excuse) to abandon and ignore the football team during the season for basketball, and now the school is letting them steal the spotlight and distract people before the football team even plays a game.

It is so f*cking frustrating that this school’s athletic priorities will never be in the right place for a serious power conference school, and this is just one of many examples.

From making Allen pay out of pocket to fire assistants, to knowingly scheduling Midnight Madness on the same day as football games time after time after time, to countless other obvious examples of favoritism throughout time.

It never ends, and the school going out of its way to try to kneecap the football program and any enthusiasm it might build doesn’t seem like it will either. The last thing the team needs going into a crucial opener is a bunch of casuals looking ahead to basketball and not caring or showing up, but that’s clearly what IU wants.

I assume the timing was to make as much money as they can as soon as the students were back in town. I am a football season ticket holder, but basketball is the season I get the most excited for. Twice, I have looked forward to Spring football games only to have them cancelled. They would never cancel Hoosier Hysteria for basketball. I'll know IU takes football as serious when Spring games are given the same effort in publicity and expectation as HH. We need to have a good event to bring fans and recruits to. But we don't.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

You must pay a lot more attention than I do. I'd recognize a couple of those guys, but couldn't pick most out of a lineup. Maybe I'm just a bad fan.

Well, there is was vs is. I could go back and reassign verbs for you but you would never pay me.