Is there a fix for the Hoosiers quarterback problem?

[82hoosier]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

 

[Pazhoosier85]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

Not many here are lamenting the loss of Baz and Tuttle. There are many better options in the portal. Tuttle is headed to Michigan to hold a clipboard. Baz probably ends up in FCS.

 

[jsenleo]

Not many here are lamenting the loss of Baz and Tuttle. There are many better options in the portal. Tuttle is headed to Michigan to hold a clipboard. Baz probably ends up in FCS.

Yes, there are many better options in the portal.... but the problem is, right now it's not looking like many of those "better" options are interested in IU

 

[Sope Creek]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

Sounds like IU has a bubonic plague problem with all of the "flees" in your post. 🙃

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Merry Christmas!

Football is a violent ballet. You can’t just stick one guy out there and fix everything. “If you can’t block it, you can’t call it.” And “If you can’t catch it, you can’t throw it.” And “if you can’t run it when you want to, you can’t run it when you need to.” All of this has to happen at the same time on the same team or you cant move it or score.

The problem with having Bazelak as our quarterback last year was that the offense was not designed to give him a quick option, and he was not the kind of quarterback to throw it to someone who is not wide open. He needed a long lasting pocket, and we never had one. And we had an offensive line that needed a quarterback who could throw it quick and put it in a very small window to a receiver who might be well covered. He typically took one look, and if the guy he was looking at was not wide-open, he threw it into the stands. Combine that together and you get three and out every time you rely on completions to move it. Fold in that Shivers is fast, but goes down easy, and we wound up on second down behind the chains almost constantly. The shortest explanation I have for last year is our offense did not fit our personnel and our personnel did not fit our offense. Not in mind or body. More than most, a “tempo” offense must be well oiled, and everybody must be moving in near perfect coordination. Our guys weren’t. And it’s no surprise. Just look back at how long it took Coach Wilson to get his tempo running smoothly. You don’t do it in one spring and one fall, but all the coaches claim they can (just like all the doctors would tell you your quarterbacks ACL will heal, and you can start him at Iowa to open the season).

 

[Indianaftw]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

The absurdity of the QB situation is the OL. You flip on a tape from any one of our games and watch the QB getting killed or running for his life within 2 seconds. Fix the OL and people will come.

 

[Sope Creek]

Merry Christmas!

Football is a violent ballet. You can’t just stick one guy out there and fix everything. “If you can’t block it, you can’t call it.” And “If you can’t catch it, you can’t throw it.” And “if you can’t run it when you want to, you can’t run it when you need to.” All of this has to happen at the same time on the same team or you cant move it or score.

The problem with having Bazelak as our quarterback last year was that the offense was not designed to give him a quick option, and he was not the kind of quarterback to throw it to someone who is not wide open. He needed a long lasting pocket, and we never had one. And we had an offensive line that needed a quarterback who could throw it quick and put it in a very small window to a receiver who might be well covered. He typically took one look, and if the guy he was looking at was not wide-open, he threw it into the stands. Combine that together and you get three and out every time you rely on completions to move it. Fold in that Shivers is fast, but goes down easy, and we wound up on second down behind the chains almost constantly. The shortest explanation I have for last year is our offense did not fit our personnel and our personnel did not fit our offense. Not in mind or body. More than most, a “tempo” offense must be well oiled, and everybody must be moving in near perfect coordination. Our guys weren’t. And it’s no surprise. Just look back at how long it took Coach Wilson to get his tempo running smoothly. You don’t do it in one spring and one fall, but all the coaches claim they can (just like all the doctors would tell you your quarterbacks ACL will heal, and you can start him at Iowa to open the season).

Merry Christmas MTIOTF!

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Merry Christmas MTIOTF!

I am surprised you’re still alive. Wasn’t there some sort of cataclysmic metrowide car wreck in Atlanta in the great storm of 22? Glad you survived!

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

 

[Sope Creek]

I am surprised you’re still alive. Wasn’t there some sort of cataclysmic metrowide car wreck in Atlanta in the great storm of 22? Glad you survived!

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Thank you. If there was, I wasn't in it. I'm pretty much a homebody now that I'm retired.

But alive, thankfully. MrsSope hasn't purchased a gun yet . . . that I know of anyway.

Merry Christmas to you and your bride.

 

[82hoosier]

Not many here are lamenting the loss of Baz and Tuttle. There are many better options in the portal. Tuttle is headed to Michigan to hold a clipboard. Baz probably ends up in FCS.

They both want to play football. At least one would like to play at Indiana but neither of them want to play for this coaching staff.

Many Hoosier fans were not lamenting Michael Penix transferring either. And you know that is not an exaggeration. And now Michigan scoops up Jack Tuttle. What does it say about the Hoosier's coaching staff.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

Jesus, are you the grinch? This was your Christmas morning priority and contribution?

 

[nurban]

Not many here are lamenting the loss of Baz and Tuttle. There are many better options in the portal. Tuttle is headed to Michigan to hold a clipboard. Baz probably ends up in FCS.

Your depending on the same people that got us into this situation to get us out???

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Yes, there are many better options in the portal.... but the problem is, right now it's not looking like many of those "better" options are interested in IU

Having watched some kids in bowl games recently, one example being the kid for Wake Forest who was dropping dimes despite being under duress by heavy blitz packages by Missouri much of the night, made me realize just how bad Bazelek and Tuttle were at making plays. Zero moxie. If a play didn’t go as exactly scripted, they just wilted.
I think Bazelek may have been one of the slowest QBs I’ve seen in college football. There has to be somebody out there at some level better than those two willing to play Big Ten ball, albeit at the worst program in the conference, but for just a year?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Having watched some kids in bowl games recently, one example being the kid for Wake Forest who was dropping dimes despite being under duress by heavy blitz packages by Missouri much of the night, made me realize just how bad Bazelek and Tuttle were at making plays. Zero moxie. If a play didn’t go as exactly scripted, they just wilted.
I think Bazelek may have been one of the slowest QBs I’ve seen in college football. There has to be somebody out there at some level better than those two willing to play Big Ten ball, albeit at the worst program in the conference, but for just a year?

A race between Bazelak, Sudfeld, Hamdan and LoVecchio might never end

 

[Pazhoosier85]

Your depending on the same people that got us into this situation to get us out???

Not much of a choice since they are all still here. Let's hope they learned their lesson.

 

[Kelly_32]

Indiana has a nice amount of NIL money set aside for an incoming QB. We’ll get a quality player.

 

[Hoosiervannah]

Indiana has a nice amount of NIL money set aside for an incoming QB. We’ll get a quality player.

Can you give me a percent chance of this happening? I really hope it happens.

 

[lxetvrts]

A race between Bazelak, Sudfeld, Hamdan and LoVecchio might never end

Zeno of Elea agrees with this.

 

[jlasson]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

Agree that the QB turnover has been a sign of concern on the offensive side of the ball, personally I think it's been the O-line derailing the entire offense, making any QB's job extremely difficult. BUT, I will say the only QB entering the portal that was actually a loss was Penix, who proved to everyone that he is an elite arm talent when he has support.

Ramsey left because he was almost assuredly told that Penix was going to start in 2020, so he wanted to be a starter in his final year of eligibility. Tuttle also clearly saw that he would never be the starter at IU, hence entering the portal midway through the season(although Michigan is a really odd choice, Ig he will be on the sideline of a better team) and Bazelak was all but asked to enter the portal after this season.

I have some hope that maybe with a new O-line coach, the offense won't be totally hopeless from the start next year, If the O-line is even average next year, the offense should be far more balanced which will take a lot of pressure off the QB both figuratively and literally as D-linemen won't be able to just tee off with a pass blitz, knowing there's absolutely no running game threat. But Idk what quality QB would choose to play for CTA and WB's considering their recent history with QBs at IU, even with a new O-line coach.

 

[hoosier roadtrips]

The Clemson QB is transferring to Oregon State. That had me shaking my head. I don't think the Beavers have a better program than us. I know they had a better season, but not usually.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Not many here are lamenting the loss of Baz and Tuttle. There are many better options in the portal. Tuttle is headed to Michigan to hold a clipboard. Baz probably ends up in FCS.

Tuttle is a grad transfer. That one isn’t surprising or strange. Ramsey lost his spot and grad transferred. Those two didn’t surprise. Hell Penix was a grad transfer I think. We won a lot of games with all of them really. I mean they all hung around a long damn time for hating this coaching staff. How many other schools have 3 grad transfers stay? I’m seriously asking.

 

[82hoosier]

Penix transfered with 2 years of eligibility remaining. He will be starting for Washington next year too. Tuttle left because he didn't think he was getting a fair chance to play. And that seems to be backed up by the fact that the team voted him captain. So that left Bazelak had the room to himself after a devastating knee injury to the fourth starter of the season. But he had no interest in staying either.

I suppose I should also add Diamant to that list because he wrapped up his career with one season of eligibility remaining, claiming that he was concerned for his well-being.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Penix transfered with 2 years of eligibility remaining. He will be starting for Washington next year too. Tuttle left because he didn't think he was getting a fair chance to play. And that seems to be backed up by the fact that the team voted him captain. So that left Bazelak had the room to himself after a devastating knee injury to the fourth starter of the season. But he had no interest in staying either.

I suppose I should also add Diamant to that list because he wrapped up his career with one season of eligibility remaining, claiming that he was concerned for his well-being.

But Penix had been here 4 years. He was done. Not many QBs stay after 4 years. I get what you are saying. I just don’t think it’s the total picture. Big part is the O-Line but 3 of those guys stuck it out until they got a degree. If it was that bad they would’ve left sooner.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

The Clemson QB is transferring to Oregon State. That had me shaking my head. I don't think the Beavers have a better program than us. I know they had a better season, but not usually.

Oregon State won 10 games this year and blew out Florida in a bowl. They have a good head coach and the future looks really bright there.
IU is not attractive to QBs at this point or many players looking to make a name for themselves on offense.

 

[IUCX9]

Focus for a minute on the absurdity of Indiana's quarterback situation.

Peyton Ramsey flees Indiana to lead Northwestern to a bowl game.

Michael Penix flees Indiana to go to Washington where he is the most prolific passer in the country.

Connor BAzelak and Jack Tuttle, each with one year of eligibility remaining, enter the portal with no heir apparent in Bloomington. Their total silence about the coaching staff speaks volumes.

There is not a single quarterback at Indiana returning who has any experience other than a guy who is now a wide receiver. Everybody who could flee the quarterback room at Indiana has fled.

What other program has this problem? What other program has ever had this problem?

It is going to take a few years to potentially fix this mess and by that time CTA is most likely going to be packing his bags which will then again add more uncertainty to the mix.

NIL is only going to widen the gap between the haves and the have nots in the next few years.

And now Tom Allen wants to build the program around a non-existent quarterback. The prototype dual purpose quarterback that is not on the roster. Good luck bringing in a player who is most likely going to be out for the season before the season is half over. In fact he may not even survive the opening game against Ohio State. So Tom is going to need two or three of these guys, none of which currently exist.

LEO

This quarterback mismanagement is very reminiscent of Wilson's failure in the same regard.

 

[82hoosier]

I have to wonder how Peyton Ramsey felt when the Hoosiers were beating the bushes looking for a quarterback other than Peyton Ramsey. As I recall he got into a game against Virginia as a backup and outperformed the starter. His biggest perceived weakness was that he wasn't 6'5

 

[Indianaftw]

Bwaaaahahahaha

The people trying to justify this thread Hilariious.

 

[mk30]

Jesus, are you the grinch? This was your Christmas morning priority and contribution?

Well, he’s not wrong.

 

[iubhounds]

The Clemson QB is transferring to Oregon State. That had me shaking my head. I don't think the Beavers have a better program than us. I know they had a better season, but not usually.

I follow the PAC12 from Indiana and I have to say that Oregon State's reputation changed when their current coach and exQB for them arrived. This year wasn't just a one year flash. As an IU grad and fan ... the Beavers have a much better program than IU's.

 

[Sope Creek]

A race between Bazelak, Sudfeld, Hamdan and LoVecchio might never end

My money is on the Baby Giraffe.

 

[jacksback]

A new coach would help change the QB problem. It's taken 6 years for CTA to hire a decent OL coach and figure out he needs to QB who can run. The guy is in over his head as a D1 coach. Just call me Mr. Obvious!

 

[iueyedoc99]

QB at IU has been problematic since day 1 of CKWs tenure in 2011. The position has been plagued with nonstop controversy, injury, transfers, position changes, high profile decommits, early retirements, etc. for 12 years in a row now. 12 years.

In the last 12 seasons, I can think of one (‘15) where there was a clear starter for a complete season. It’s pretty unbelievable.

 

[IndyIUFan66]

The optimist in me says the possible start of a positive change starts with Bostad at OL coach. Fixing that 2 seasons ago would have potentially made a huge difference for IU. Let’s hope this is the chance for IU to not be inept at OL moving forward.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

A new coach would help change the QB problem. It's taken 6 years for CTA to hire a decent OL coach and figure out he needs to QB who can run. The guy is in over his head as a D1 coach. Just call me Mr. Obvious!

He got false confidence from his prior OC hires. Debord/Sheridan brought him Penix.

DeBoer brought him offense better than Wilson.

Sheridan didnt work out.

Bell is teetering but may yet answer the bell in 2023.

The new OL guy gives me hope.

 

[Crayfish57]

I follow the PAC12 from Indiana and I have to say that Oregon State's reputation changed when their current coach and exQB for them arrived. This year wasn't just a one year flash. As an IU grad and fan ... the Beavers have a much better program than IU's.

Every P5 team in the country has a better program than IU

 

[eddy4iu]

He got false confidence from his prior OC hires. Debord/Sheridan brought him Penix.

DeBoer brought him offense better than Wilson.

Sheridan didnt work out.

Bell is teetering but may yet answer the bell in 2023.

The new OL guy gives me hope.

Oh damnit Jim - the “H” word again. Just when I thought I had put up enough barriers to protect my heart.

 

[The Watson]

The new OL guy gives me hope.

I’m starting to worry I just don’t give a sh!t anymore. I can tell you that midway through the Rutgers game (if that) I quit watching IU football for the first time in 40+ years. Just couldn’t take it anymore.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I’m starting to worry I just don’t give a sh!t anymore. I can tell you that midway through the Rutgers game (if that) I quit watching IU football for the first time in 40+ years. Just couldn’t take it anymore.

Oh, I get it.

Our offense was awful and our defense was down from what it has been recently. Very hard to drive to Bloomington, and much less pleasant driving home.

And watching Penix and Ramsey elsewhere made it hurt more.

But ...

When the frost is on the punkin and the fodder’s in the shock
I find myself a-wandering'
Back toward The Rock

Sigh.

 

[red hornet]

I’m starting to worry I just don’t give a sh!t anymore. I can tell you that midway through the Rutgers game (if that) I quit watching IU football for the first time in 40+ years. Just couldn’t take it anymore.

We will recruit a very good option QB similar to Dexter who beat Michigan State & Purdue while he was QBing.(ahead in the 1st quarter) I have no doubt we would have won if DW stays in the game. I also believe Coach Allen will guide the course for IUFB success in the future.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

We will recruit a very good option QB similar to Dexter who beat Michigan State & Purdue while he was QBing.(ahead in the 1st quarter) I have no doubt we would have won if DW stays in the game. I also believe Coach Allen will guide the course for IUFB success in the future.

Leftover egg nog I see?
Was this version spiked with Everclear and Purple Passion?