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I get the Trump joke but what I wrote applies here as well.
 
You need to make up your mind, dude. First it was “out of context”, then it was “showing them what NOT to do”, and now we’ve moved on to “showing ADULTS how not to objectify children”.

Why do adults need to view scenes of children performing explicitly sexual dance moves to understand how that’s bad?
How about a documentary about monagamy where we show footage of a guy having an explicit adulterous affair... you know... to teach people how not to ruin their marriages.
 
You need to make up your mind, dude. First it was “out of context”, then it was “showing them what NOT to do”, and now we’ve moved on to “showing ADULTS how not to objectify children”.

If you were trying to have a conversation instead of playing the outrage game, maybe you'd be able to understand what I typed originally and have been saying ever since. You'd need to watch the movie to understand the point it was trying to make for an adult audience in regard to the problem of sexualization of pre-teens and teens, particularly about what adults do around kids that contributes to the problem.

Why do adults need to view scenes of children performing explicitly sexual dance moves to understand how that’s bad?

You'd need to watch the to find out.
 
How about a documentary about monagamy where we show footage of a guy having an explicit adulterous affair... you know... to teach people how not to ruin their marriages.

It could work, but I'm doubtful that you're a good enough filmmaker to pull it off.
 
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It wasn't compelling enough to get me past the gratuitous soft-core child porn footage. After reading the synopsis, my take is that the movie missed it's mark, and disturbingly so.

You made that assessment from the synopsis? Figures.
 
If you were trying to have a conversation instead of playing the outrage game, maybe you'd be able to understand what I typed originally and have been saying ever since. You'd need to watch the movie to understand the point it was trying to make for an adult audience in regard to the problem of sexualization of pre-teens and teens, particularly about what adults do around kids that contributes to the problem.



You'd need to watch the to find out.

And if you weren’t just reflexively defending this based apparently on who doesn’t like it, you’d notice that I addressed this about 30 posts ago. I know what the movie is trying to convey.

So I’ll ask again, why is it a good idea to show 11 year old girls twerking to convey the message that 11 year old girls twerking is a bad thing?
 
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Please give us your review of the film.

It's been a fairly long time since I saw it, they may have made some changes to it since I did, and I don't typically like French movies - but the major thing I left it with was that it's an extremely difficult movie to watch and I'm not really interested in watching it again. It's one of those movies that is more important than it is enjoyable in any way. I referenced Leaving Las Vegas before, but I also think of films like Schindler's List or The Celebration or Breaking the Waves. The only enjoyable parts are when the lead girl has one of her few moments of childlike fun laughing with her friends instead of trying to escape the depression of her reality by being grown up way too fast. As a result, the scenes every one is talking about aren't sexy in any way...they are depressing, heartbreaking, and grotesque in the context of the movie. I thought that the director walked a tightrope and did a pretty good job for the most part, creating a grim world in the film amid caricatured archetypes of what it means to be a woman. I thought that the cinematography was an interesting mix of bleak reality and surreal sequences of color. I like those kinds of juxtapositions. The acting is not outstanding, but performance wasn't really the point of the film I don't think. I thought that the editing was really good and that the combined production elements did a good job of exposing the differences between the lead's childhood and the absurd expectations she believes she's supposed to aspire to. Some of my conservative friends might not like the implications about the "male gaze" differences between white women and women of color, but they might like the cultural criticisms of Islam. I thought the cultural insights were one of the more interesting aspects as I don't know a lot about French-Senegalese culture, but it contributed a lot to the disturbing emotional backdrop. And I'm told that seeing it dubbed rather than with subtitles really hurts the experience (which is one of the many mistakes people I know say that Netflix has made with it.) I'm not interested in doing the comparison because like I said, it's difficult to watch.

I hope that's helpful. I wouldn't really recommend it to people who aren't interested in having a lot to think about and process in the aftermath.
 
And if you weren’t just reflexively defending this based apparently on who doesn’t like it, you’d notice that I addressed this about 30 posts ago. I know what the movie is trying to convey.

So I’ll ask again, why is it a good idea to show 11 year old girls twerking to convey the message that 11 year old girls twerking is a bad thing?

You should probably take that "reflexively defending this based apparently on who doesn't like it" thing somewhere else. You haven't really addressed anything because you haven't taken much time to understand the movie or what I was saying about it. I'm skeptical that you're sincerely interested in the artistic merits of the movie or how the cultural juxtapositions in it work, but if you showed some proclivity towards more thoughtful discussion of that kind of thing, I'd be happy to have a deep conversation examining our differing perspectives about the way artists work...particularly cinematic ones.
 
This movie was screened at Sundance in January, released in France last month and on Netflix 3 days ago. I’m not sure we’re talking about the same movie, depending on how you define “a long time ago”.
 
This movie was screened at Sundance in January, released in France last month and on Netflix 3 days ago. I’m not sure we’re talking about the same movie, depending on how you define “a long time ago”.

We are. This hasn't been the longest eight months in history?
 
It's been a fairly long time since I saw it, they may have made some changes to it since I did, and I don't typically like French movies - but the major thing I left it with was that it's an extremely difficult movie to watch and I'm not really interested in watching it again. It's one of those movies that is more important than it is enjoyable in any way. I referenced Leaving Las Vegas before, but I also think of films like Schindler's List or The Celebration or Breaking the Waves. The only enjoyable parts are when the lead girl has one of her few moments of childlike fun laughing with her friends instead of trying to escape the depression of her reality by being grown up way too fast. As a result, the scenes every one is talking about aren't sexy in any way...they are depressing, heartbreaking, and grotesque in the context of the movie. I thought that the director walked a tightrope and did a pretty good job for the most part, creating a grim world in the film amid caricatured archetypes of what it means to be a woman. I thought that the cinematography was an interesting mix of bleak reality and surreal sequences of color. I like those kinds of juxtapositions. The acting is not outstanding, but performance wasn't really the point of the film I don't think. I thought that the editing was really good and that the combined production elements did a good job of exposing the differences between the lead's childhood and the absurd expectations she believes she's supposed to aspire to. Some of my conservative friends might not like the implications about the "male gaze" differences between white women and women of color, but they might like the cultural criticisms of Islam. I thought the cultural insights were one of the more interesting aspects as I don't know a lot about French-Senegalese culture, but it contributed a lot to the disturbing emotional backdrop. And I'm told that seeing it dubbed rather than with subtitles really hurts the experience (which is one of the many mistakes people I know say that Netflix has made with it.) I'm not interested in doing the comparison because like I said, it's difficult to watch.

I hope that's helpful. I wouldn't really recommend it to people who aren't interested in having a lot to think about and process in the aftermath.
That's really close to the synopsis I read. 'Hard to watch' is a familiar descriptor. Those shows which depict stage mothers a la 'Honey Boo Boo' are equally grotesque to me. I have never been a "freak show" fan. But I digress. This movie isn't my cuppa, but I won't hold it against Netflix-- just won't watch.

I watched a couple good docs this week tho... Becoming Bond and Hillbillies. I can recommend both of those. I appreciate your time and earnest response. I owe you one 😉
 
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That's really close to the synopsis I read. 'Hard to watch' is a familiar descriptor. Those shows which depict stage mothers a la 'Honey Boo Boo' are equally grotesque to me. I have never been a "freak show" fan. But I digress. This movie isn't my cuppa, but I won't hold it against Netflix-- just won't watch.

I watched a couple good docs this week tho... Becoming Bond and Hillbillies. I can recommend both of those. I appreciate your time and earnest response. I owe you one 😉

That all sounds eminently reasonable...although you could very reasonably hold the marketing campaign Netflix decided upon against them. That said, lots of good docs out now. Hope you keep enjoying 'em. And hope we get a little more reasonable Hillz every now and then. I'll try to make sure that reasonable hoos is there to greet him.
 
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Oh...you think that I was saying that they made it for kids to watch and to know what to do? Nah...it was made for adults to better understand how adults are harming kids by sexualizing pre-teens and teens. If you had any context, you might understand that, but you don't. And that's why you think it is soft core child porn.

Yes - it is an educational film. It educates the old perverts on this message board that they can still beat off to pre-teen girls in the comforts of their own basement.
 
Yes - it is an educational film. It educates the old perverts on this message board that they can still beat off to pre-teen girls in the comforts of their own basement.
Well, that sounded a little first person-ish.

I don't even know what movie you guys are talking about, and I have and watch Netflix.
(Did enjoy binging Cobra Kai, though.)
 
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Such great irony. I wonder what the overlap on the venn diagram for people attacking this movie and supporting the owner of the Miss Teen USA pageant is.

I didn’t even know this movie existed until a bunch of cons put a spotlight on it. I still don’t care.
 
Is thus what they were like when Kids came out?

It does sound a LOT like the movie kids. We watched it when it came out in the theater that used to be at Indiana & Kirkwood.

That movie showed all kinds of horrible behavior by pre-teens, yet the message of the movie wasn’t to support the behavior. It was to expose the behavior.

It was a disturbing movie. But the entire time you’re thinking “where the hell are these kid’s parents”?

Without even watching this movie, after reading several articles about it, this movie seems to try to do the exact same thing.

Netflix basically ruined any chance of the movie getting its message out to the masses. Whoever promoted it should be looking for another job.
 
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Ok I watched it so you didn’t have to. Keep in mind I watch almost everything and I’m not offended by much. This movie was a flat out mess. It was hard to tell what, if any message it was trying to convey. The worst part was the camera angles. If they had just stuck to wide lens it wouldn’t have been so bad. But they definitely went for the close ups and porn looking shots. I don’t know if it should be taken off Netflix or not, but I do know it’s just a bad movie.
 
Totally get it, but context is important, too. It's a controversial movie that has been very badly marketed by netflix (like when Leaving Las Vegas was marketed by MGM as "Pretty Woman" meets "Arthur"), but the actual point of the movie is supposed to be pretty much the opposite of the backlash. In that, it seems like it may be another cultural victim of our inability to have conversations of any depth about things.

Yeah, but it is counterproductive to decry something by splashing it out there in that manner. It's the equivalent of making an anti dogfighting movie by actually getting dogs to dogfight and then at the end say, "tsk, tsk wasn't that terrible?"

Yeah, it was, so why did we spend an hour of you showing that to get to ths point?
 
Ok I watched it so you didn’t have to. Keep in mind I watch almost everything and I’m not offended by much. This movie was a flat out mess. It was hard to tell what, if any message it was trying to convey. The worst part was the camera angles. If they had just stuck to wide lens it wouldn’t have been so bad. But they definitely went for the close ups and porn looking shots. I don’t know if it should be taken off Netflix or not, but I do know it’s just a bad movie.

Thank you, that is what I have heard about it as well. Maybe some of these guys will listen to you since political beliefs will not get in the way of your message.
 
And I thought Kids was a far better movie, although uncomfortable.
 
And I thought Kids was a far better movie, although uncomfortable.

That's interesting. I thought the performances in Kids were much better, but I thought the storytelling was much worse. Because of music and Larry Clark's photographic background, Kids was more of a "cool" film, but I didn't think it was very good. I similarly didn't enjoy it much, but it was pretty important for its time.
 
It really is not something that interests me. But an acquaintance on Facebook said it is no more racy than some show about dance moms or the pagents JonBennet Ramsey did. She said the music is more questionable than the dance but that she believes music has been questionable for a long time.
 
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Thank you, that is what I have heard about it as well. Maybe some of these guys will listen to you since political beliefs will not get in the way of your message.
What a load of shit. Whatever value Zeke's review has isn't from politics, but from the fact she actually took the time to watch it, something none of the people bitching about it in this thread did.
 
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It really is not something that interests me. But an acquaintance on Facebook said it is no more racy than some show about dance moms or the pagents JonBennet Ramsey did. She said the music is more questionable than the dance but that she believes music has been questionable for a long time.
I’ve watched a few of those dance shows and thought this was worse. Not just crotch grabbing and lots of twerking and humping, but things like licking their lips and fingers, using their tongues etc. They were doing things I haven’t seen college girls do.
 
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I’ve watched a few of those dance shows and thought this was worse. Not just crotch grabbing and lots of twerking and humping, but things like licking their lips and fingers, using their tongues etc. They were doing things I haven’t seen college girls do.
I mean, if you watch the clips, you see this. Completely inappropriate in every sense of the word.
 
What a load of shit. Whatever value Zeke's review has isn't from politics, but from the fact she actually took the time to watch it, something none of the people bitching about it in this thread did.

Nah, you can see up above people saying it was "right wingers" getting their panties in a bunch about the movie.

I got the description, I heard what the movie was trying to say from the director, and gotten a description of the clips. I can tell trash by the smell, I don't have to shove my face in it. Maybe you do.
 
Nah, you can see up above people saying it was "right wingers" getting their panties in a bunch about the movie.
Well, that part is true.

I got the description, I heard what the movie was trying to say from the director, and gotten a description of the clips. I can tell trash by the smell, I don't have to shove my face in it. Maybe you do.
And this comment proves my point.
 
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