News to me. Where are you seeing this?
Rumors and whispers, that's all at this point. Will see if anything comes of it. Would expect the censure idea gets floated though the media and see how it flushes out.
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News to me. Where are you seeing this?
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/3/20896869/trump-biden-ukraine-2016-letter-portman-johnsonThere's a good chance he will be one of the witnesses called to testify. Along with Hunter Biden, Joe Biden and the whistleblower.
Chicago Trib already on it.Rumors and whispers, that's all at this point. Will see if anything comes of it. Would expect the censure idea gets floated though the media and see how it flushes out.
Maybe we'll hear from Don McGahn as well?
"Former White House counsel Donald McGahn, a key figure with firsthand knowledge of President Donald Trump's alleged efforts to short-circuit the Mueller investigation, must testify before Congress, a federal judge ruled Monday.
The ruling, which is sure to be appealed, affirms Congress' role in providing a check on executive power and rejects the White House's claims of absolute immunity.
U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson said the president "does not have the power" to prevent his aides from responding to congressional subpoenas on the basis of absolute immunity.
"Today, this Court adds that this conclusion is inescapable precisely because compulsory appearance by dint of a subpoena is a legal construct, not a political one, and per the Constitution, no one is above the law," Jackson wrote in a lengthy ruling issued late Monday.
"Stated simply, the primary takeaway from the past 250 years of recorded American history is that Presidents are not kings," Jackson wrote. "This means they do not have subjects, bound by loyalty or blood, whose destiny they are entitled to control."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-white-house-counsel-donald-225759038.html
So much obstruction from a single "innocent" man? Care to offer an explanation of why Trump was so adamant that McGahn not testify (and provide evidence of his "innocence")? I mean doesn't Trump want all the FACTS to come out?
It's not that I've not heard any discussion of censure, but what I've seen appears to be idle musing. I've not heard it spoken of as a serious possibility.Rumors and whispers, that's all at this point. Will see if anything comes of it. Would expect the censure idea gets floated though the media and see how it flushes out.
It's not that I've not heard any discussion of censure, but what I've seen appears to be idle musing. I've not heard it spoken of as a serious possibility.Rumors and whispers, that's all at this point. Will see if anything comes of it. Would expect the censure idea gets floated though the media and see how it flushes out.
Trump will be impeached. 100%.
50% of the public is a go on impeachment and removal from office:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/cnn-poll-impeachment-views/index.html
Message for 40% of America
The most selfless man on Earth, it should warm the cockles of your heart:
"The D.C. Wolves" sound like a shitty minor league baseball team.
They are criminally dumb.As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow....
Trump Denies Sending Rudy Giuliani to Ukraine for Biden Probe
Donald Trump denied directing Rudy Giuliani to go to Ukraine to look for dirt on his political rivals, in an interview with former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly.
“No, I didn’t direct him, but he is a warrior, he is a warrior,” Trump told O’Reilly in an interview streamed on the internet on Tuesday.
Giuliani has said publicly that he conducted an investigation “concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption” on Trump’s behalf.
Asked by O’Reilly what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine, Trump said “you have to ask that to Rudy.”
“Rudy has other clients, other than me,” the president added. “He’s done a lot of work in Ukraine over the years.”
And yet....
Seriously folks.... we are dealing with grade school level criminals here. How dumb are these people?
https://www.vox.com/2019/10/3/20896869/trump-biden-ukraine-2016-letter-portman-johnson
Can Trump supporters read this? It seems to absolutely destroy any sad argument you're all still attempting to cling to, accusing Joe Biden of corruption
They are criminally dumb.
But they are still infinitely brighter than their supporters and apparently that's all that matters.
Trump is scum, the GOP has taken on Trump's scum as well, but Biden is corrupt as hell as well, and the DNC and their media arms playing see no evil hear no evil on him, hurts their credibility.
the other primary candidates have basically given him a pass for now and left the topic alone, while the Dem media has been far less than candid on this, as he was their great hope.
that Bloomberg got in tells you he knows it's only a matter of time before the corruption thing catches up with Biden.
would be great for the party if Biden would bow out before things blow up on him, and sooner or later the other candidates quit giving him a pass when he's been corrupt as hell, and things get ugly.
Yes, it’s been said that the whistleblower might’ve actually saved him. Who knows when or if they were going to release the funds, but what is clear is that they weren’t motivated to until they appeared to be caught. However, it’s still illegal for the executive branch to withhold funds that were appropriated by the legislative branch. .This nails Trumps “defense” that the aid was ultimately released. He was briefed on the WB complaint 2 weeks before the release. He ordered the release because he got caught. It’s exactly what we all knew, but cuts off another bull shit argument for the Trumpers.
You’re turning into SHF with these snarky and witless posts. You and I aren’t Trump supporters, but others are, and they can obviously read.What makes you think that Trump supporters can read? If they can, they wouldn't be supporting Trump, the hollowest man on earth!
A first grader maybe able to read some words. But if the adult reads at a first grade level they are unable to critically think about what they've read. They are functionally illiterate compared to their peers.You’re turning into SHF with these snarky and witless posts. You and I aren’t Trump supporters, but others are, and they can obviously read.
You’re turning into SHF with these snarky and witless posts. You and I aren’t Trump supporters, but others are, and they can obviously read.
True, but they do not seem to have mastered comprehension on any level.You’re turning into SHF with these snarky and witless posts. You and I aren’t Trump supporters, but others are, and they can obviously read.
They comprehend what they want to comprehend. Everyone does that to an extent, but the hard core Trumpsters have taken that to another level.True, but they do not seem to have mastered comprehension on any level.
The "hard core Trumpsters" includes a very large majority of those who self-identify as Republicans.They comprehend what they want to comprehend. Everyone does that to an extent, but the hard core Trumpsters have taken that to another level.
It is worth talking about what other level things are being taken too. Currently folks like Rick Perry are publicly saying that Trump is the "chosen one". That is, Trump is a messiah. Other evangelists are saying that those who oppose Trump are "demonic". These "religious" followers are prepping and being prepped for holy war. They are hungering for apocalypse. If they get a chance they will murder people like me...and then, if people like you object, they will murder you too. There is no analog to this on the left, let alone among Democrats broadly.They comprehend what they want to comprehend. Everyone does that to an extent, but the hard core Trumpsters have taken that to another level.
"Biden is corrupt as hell"? Can you provide links,actual LINKS and not some revisionist characterization of Biden celebrating doing HIS JOB to support that contention? There are Real Time facts available from the Time in Question that show Biden in firing Shokin was acting as a designated representative of Bi lateral US policy, and the support of the British (and other NATO) Govts, as well as the IMF.
It's like you're channeling Lindsey Graham with his "we're not going to have a country where only one side gets investigated" BS. The same Lindsey who during Whitewater said (when urging the Impeachment of a Democratic President)...
“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” the politician said. “Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”
If you allow Trump to play to your cynicism and smear Biden for doing what he was supposed to do in firing Shokin, then you allow him to get away with turning the Presidency into his own personal fiefdom. At this point, I don't even care that he will likely not be removed by his Senate enablers. I just want him to have the stain of being Impeached on his record (and his ego) as a badge of honor that history will record how we stood up to his attempts to subvert the office for his own pleasure. Future generations need to know that not all of the American people were acquiescent in this abomination of an "Administration"...
These "religious" followers are prepping and being prepped for holy war. They are hungering for apocalypse. If they get a chance they will murder people like me...and then, if people like you object, they will murder you too.
Since these are things they themselves say I believe them.You really believe this?
This nails Trumps “defense” that the aid was ultimately released. He was briefed on the WB complaint 2 weeks before the release. He ordered the release because he got caught. It’s exactly what we all knew, but cuts off another bull shit argument for the Trumpers.
I seriously doubt all that.It is worth talking about what other level things are being taken too. Currently folks like Rick Perry are publicly saying that Trump is the "chosen one". That is, Trump is a messiah. Other evangelists are saying that those who oppose Trump are "demonic". These "religious" followers are prepping and being prepped for holy war. They are hungering for apocalypse. If they get a chance they will murder people like me...and then, if people like you object, they will murder you too. There is no analog to this on the left, let alone among Democrats broadly.
Oh my. We've got a crazy oneIt is worth talking about what other level things are being taken too. Currently folks like Rick Perry are publicly saying that Trump is the "chosen one". That is, Trump is a messiah. Other evangelists are saying that those who oppose Trump are "demonic". These "religious" followers are prepping and being prepped for holy war. They are hungering for apocalypse. If they get a chance they will murder people like me...and then, if people like you object, they will murder you too. There is no analog to this on the left, let alone among Democrats broadly.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/americans-say-u-s-is-two-thirds-of-the-way-to-civil-war.htmlOh my. We've got a crazy one
All of that?!I seriously doubt all that.
Talking about yourself?Oh my. We've got a crazy one
You got that from a response to somebody other than Aloha?Aloha surely doesn't need me to stick up for him, but piss off Meridian.
You look like a clown in your obsession with Aloha.
In early 2016 you would have seriously doubted a great deal that has come to pass including the election of Trump in the first place as well as the complete capitulation by Republican elites to Trump. Authoritarian governments typically murder lots of their own citizens. Trump, explicitly, admires those types of authoritarians. He talks them up.I seriously doubt all that.
You’re being dismissed as too extreme, and I’m being dismissed as too assholish, but neither of us was saying anything like what we’re saying now during the Bush administration, for example. I never said or thought that GWB was a Russian stooge. I never said or thought that GWB was a sociopath. I never said or thought that GWB was corrupt. I never said or thought that GWB was a racist. I never said or thought that GWB was abusing his office for personal benefit. I never said or thought that Bushism was a form of fascism. I never imagined GWB as anything other than a conventional American President that I wanted out of office.In early 2016 you would have seriously doubted a great deal that has come to pass including the election of Trump in the first place as well as the complete capitulation by Republican elites to Trump. Authoritarian governments typically murder lots of their own citizens. Trump, explicitly, admires those types of authoritarians. He talks them up.
Wait, you mean 9-11 wasn't an inside job?You’re being dismissed as too extreme, and I’m being dismissed as too assholish, but neither of us was saying anything like what we’re saying now during the Bush administration, for example. I never said or thought that GWB was a Russian stooge. I never said or thought that GWB was a sociopath. I never said or thought that GWB was corrupt. I never said or thought that GWB was a racist. I never said or thought that GWB was abusing his office for personal benefit. I never said or thought that Bushism was a form of fascism. I never imagined GWB as anything other than a conventional American President that I wanted out of office.
But today I say all those worst things about Trump, and I mean them. Either people like you and I are crazy, or his supporters are, because someone has lost his f#cking mind.
I don’t think it’s us.
You’re being dismissed as too extreme, and I’m being dismissed as too assholish, but neither of us was saying anything like what we’re saying now during the Bush administration, for example. I never said or thought that GWB was a Russian stooge. I never said or thought that GWB was a sociopath. I never said or thought that GWB was corrupt. I never said or thought that GWB was a racist. I never said or thought that GWB was abusing his office for personal benefit. I never said or thought that Bushism was a form of fascism. I never imagined GWB as anything other than a conventional American President that I wanted out of office.
But today I say all those worst things about Trump, and I mean them. Either people like you and I are crazy, or his supporters are, because someone has lost his f#cking mind.
I don’t think it’s us.
Yeah...I have watched your transformation over all these years. Trump seems like something new but it seems more accurate to say that Trump simply brings out in the open what was always implicit in the GOP.You’re being dismissed as too extreme, and I’m being dismissed as too assholish, but neither of us was saying anything like what we’re saying now during the Bush administration, for example. I never said or thought that GWB was a Russian stooge. I never said or thought that GWB was a sociopath. I never said or thought that GWB was corrupt. I never said or thought that GWB was a racist. I never said or thought that GWB was abusing his office for personal benefit. I never said or thought that Bushism was a form of fascism. I never imagined GWB as anything other than a conventional American President that I wanted out of office.
But today I say all those worst things about Trump, and I mean them. Either people like you and I are crazy, or his supporters are, because someone has lost his f#cking mind.
I don’t think it’s us.
No, he simply brings out the worst in them. This isn't the evil version of the Republican Party, they actually had a political ideology, were accountable (enough) and competent (enough). It's something worse.Trump seems like something new but it seems more accurate to say that Trump simply brings out in the open what was always implicit in the GOP.