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No celebratory tweets from Trump.How long before the narrative becomes "IG is part of deep state"?

"Former FBI Director James Comey “deviated” from FBI and Justice Department procedures in handling the probe into Hillary Clinton, damaging the law enforcement agencies’ image of impartiality even though he wasn’t motivated by political bias, the department’s watchdog found in a highly anticipated report.

“While we did not find that these decisions were the result of political bias on Comey’s part, we nevertheless concluded that by departing so clearly and dramatically from FBI and department norms, the decisions negatively impacted the perception of the FBI and the department as fair administrators of justice,” Inspector General Michael Horowitz said in the report’s conclusions, which were obtained Thursday by Bloomberg News."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comey-broke-fbi-procedures-clinton-140732718.html

I'd say the bolded was pretty obvious to most IMPARTIAL observers,given the fact that he didn't mention the fact they were investigating Trump.Oh,and reopening the "investigation" over what they had to believe were duplicate emails,11 days or so before the election...
 
cosmickid said:
No celebratory tweets from Trump.How long before the narrative becomes "IG is part of deep state"?

"Former FBI Director James Comey “deviated” from FBI and Justice Department procedures in handling the probe into Hillary Clinton, damaging the law enforcement agencies’ image of impartiality even though he wasn’t motivated by political bias, the department’s watchdog found in a highly anticipated report.

“While we did not find that these decisions were the result of political bias on Comey’s part, we nevertheless concluded that by departing so clearly and dramatically from FBI and department norms, the decisions negatively impacted the perception of the FBI and the department as fair administrators of justice,” Inspector General Michael Horowitz said in the report’s conclusions, which were obtained Thursday by Bloomberg News."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comey-broke-fbi-procedures-clinton-140732718.html

I'd say the bolded was pretty obvious to most IMPARTIAL observers,given the fact that he didn't mention the fact they were investigating Trump.Oh,and reopening the "investigation" over what they had to believe were duplicate emails,11 days or so before the election...
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The whole “Comey/the deep state were our to get Trump!” Argument has always been ridiculous. If that’s what Comey and the FBI did, they did almost everything completely wrong. And I’m sure they’re smarter than that.

Trump is simply lashing out at the Mueller investigation, and the firing of Comey is what kicked it off. He doesn’t care what damage he does to our intelligence institutions- he’s going to go down swinging all the way.

Comey was out in a bad situation by the boneheaded actions of Loretta Lynch, when she met with Bill Clinton on a Phoenix tarmac. Both she and Bill should have known better. Because of that, he was thrust into the oversight position- which is something Lynch should’ve been in control of for the entire time.

If you look at Comey’s actions individually, you can see why he did what he did- he had bad choices, and worse choices.

I still blame him for Trump winning, I really think the announcement ten days before the election swung enough votes to Trump to make the difference. He did that because he knew that the info about Weiner’s laptop was very likely to leak (it does appear that Giuliani knew- he was hinting at it). I think that’s why he did it- but he shouldn’t have done it.

Looking forward to reading all the way through this report later. From the limited amount I’ve read so far, it’ll say this- poor decisions were made- but they were guided by a sense of doing he right thing vs political animus.
 
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wiede said:
Comey was out in a bad situation by the boneheaded actions of Loretta Lynch, when she met with Bill Clinton on a Phoenix tarmac. Both she and Bill should have known better. Because of that, he was thrust into the oversight position- which is something Lynch should’ve been in control of for the entire time.
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Agreed. Lynch hung him out to dry. He couldn't win.
wiede said:
If you look at Comey’s actions individually, you can see why he did what he did- he had bad choices, and worse choices.
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IIRC, when he went before Congress after his initial report was released, he told the committee that if anything new came to light he would most assuredly reopen the investigation and let them know. That painted him into a corner when Weiner's laptop came to his attention. Of all his bad calls, that's the one that hosed him.
 
zeke4ahs said:
Sure, Jan.
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This email from Comey is infuriating.
I think the window has closed on the opportunity for a statement , with 4 weeks until a presidential election. I think the marginal incremental disruption/inoculation impact of the statement would be hugely outweighed by the damage to the Intelligence Community’s reputation for independence.
I could be wrong( and frequently am) but Americans already “know” the Russians are monkeying around on behalf of one candidate.

No, actually the Trump campaign and many others were still denying it at that point. That statement very likely would once again have changed the election.
 
Oh my. Turned to Fox for a minute to see how they were spinning this. Crazy Rudy: Rosenstein and Sessions have one day to redeem themselves. Mueller must be suspended tomorrow. Strzok must be jailed.
I assume this is going to be the Fox News playbook. What exactly are they getting from the report the rest of us aren't?
 
zeke4ahs said:
Oh my. Turned to Fox for a minute to see how they were spinning this. Crazy Rudy: Rosenstein and Sessions have one day to redeem themselves. Mueller must be suspended tomorrow. Strzok must be jailed.
I assume this is going to be the Fox News playbook. What exactly are they getting from the report the rest of us aren't?
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Srsly? That's Rudy's play?
 
The real takeaway from the IG report is that Trump is a big fat liar:

The report addresses one question that’s more important than any other: Did the Justice Department and F.B.I. use their power, as Trump has repeatedly claimed, to help Clinton’s campaign and hurt his?

In the lead-up to the report, Trump’s allies agreed that this was paramount. “The central question in my opinion,” David Bossie, Trump’s former deputy campaign manager, wrote this week on the Fox News website, “is did Hillary Clinton and her cronies get preferential treatment in her email server investigation for political reasons?”

And the report’s answer is clear: No.

Federal investigators and prosecutors did not give preferential treatment to Clinton. They pursued the case on the merits. They were guided by, as the inspector general’s report puts it, “the prosecutor’s assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice.”

The most significant mistake in the investigation didn’t help Clinton. It hurt her, badly. It was James Comey’s decision to violate department policy and talk publicly about the investigation. If it weren’t for that decision, the polling data suggests Clinton would be president.

Now that the report has been released, Trump’s allies — and presumably, Trump himself, in the hours or days to come — are trying to confuse people about what it actually said. Trump’s defenders, including loyal media organizations like Fox News, are mixing the report’s subjects to make it sound much better for Trump than it really is. And more serious news coverage often struggles to find clear enough language to explain the bait and switch, without seeming to lose its objectivity.

. . . A banner headline on the Fox News website, not surprisingly, has a good example of Trumpworld’s effort at confusion: “DOJ IG report reveals FBI agent’s ‘stop’-Trump text, calls Comey ‘insubordinate’ ” Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, offered another example: “It reaffirmed the president’s suspicions about Comey’s conduct and the political bias among some of the members of the F.B.I.”

The real story of the report is quite different. It finds that Trump’s claims of a “rigged system” to protect Clinton are outright fabrications. They are, as is so often the case with Trump, lies. And the report finds no reason to lose confidence in Robert Mueller’s continuing investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.​
 
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Rockfish1 said:
The real takeaway from the IG report is that Trump is a big fat liar:

The report addresses one question that’s more important than any other: Did the Justice Department and F.B.I. use their power, as Trump has repeatedly claimed, to help Clinton’s campaign and hurt his?

In the lead-up to the report, Trump’s allies agreed that this was paramount. “The central question in my opinion,” David Bossie, Trump’s former deputy campaign manager, wrote this week on the Fox News website, “is did Hillary Clinton and her cronies get preferential treatment in her email server investigation for political reasons?”

And the report’s answer is clear: No.

Federal investigators and prosecutors did not give preferential treatment to Clinton. They pursued the case on the merits. They were guided by, as the inspector general’s report puts it, “the prosecutor’s assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice.”

The most significant mistake in the investigation didn’t help Clinton. It hurt her, badly. It was James Comey’s decision to violate department policy and talk publicly about the investigation. If it weren’t for that decision, the polling data suggests Clinton would be president.

Now that the report has been released, Trump’s allies — and presumably, Trump himself, in the hours or days to come — are trying to confuse people about what it actually said. Trump’s defenders, including loyal media organizations like Fox News, are mixing the report’s subjects to make it sound much better for Trump than it really is. And more serious news coverage often struggles to find clear enough language to explain the bait and switch, without seeming to lose its objectivity.

. . . A banner headline on the Fox News website, not surprisingly, has a good example of Trumpworld’s effort at confusion: “DOJ IG report reveals FBI agent’s ‘stop’-Trump text, calls Comey ‘insubordinate’ ” Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, offered another example: “It reaffirmed the president’s suspicions about Comey’s conduct and the political bias among some of the members of the F.B.I.”

The real story of the report is quite different. It finds that Trump’s claims of a “rigged system” to protect Clinton are outright fabrications. They are, as is so often the case with Trump, lies. And the report finds no reason to lose confidence in Robert Mueller’s continuing investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.​
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A detailed summary from Lawfare includes this central point:

[T]he IG broadly validates the investigation’s conclusion: to decline to seek charges against Clinton or anyone else. The report spends a number of pages detailing the prosecutors’ reasons for not recommending charges. The prosecutors told the IG of a host of reasons why they couldn’t establish the necessary criminal intent to bring charges under the relevant statutes. Not one of the emails in question had the required classification markers, for example. No evidence supported the notion that Clinton or the people sending emails to her knew the contents were classified. Clinton and her correspondents sent the emails to government officers in support of official business, and there exists no history of charging people under such circumstances. None of the subjects intended to send classified information to unauthorized parties or to store such information on unauthorized networks. The senders frequently refrained from using specific classified details, facts or terms in their emails. Mishandling of classified information at the State Department was such widespread practice that it was difficult for prosecutors to establish specific criminal intent on behalf of Clinton or the other senders. The report concludes that prosecutors applied those facts to the relevant statutes and the Justice Department’s policies on those statutes in a sober and unbiased manner: “We found that the prosecutors’ decision was based on their assessment of the facts, the law, and past Department practice in cases involving these statutes. We did not identify evidence of bias or improper considerations.”
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In short, Trump's claim that the FBI was in the tank for Hillary is bullshit -- as any sentient human already understood.
 
Wouldn't it be interesting to see all the texts and emails from the FBI that were Trumpsters? The scenario that I recall during the campaign was there was a very big faction that was proTrump and anti Hillary. I'd be willing to be there would be quite a few anti Hillary remarks if we read all those, and she wasn't even a Russian puppet. Just like with the emails, we read nearly all of the DNC and Hillary's emails and found not much. Can you imagine had we read the RNC and Trump campaign? Doubtful they'd be nearly as innocent.
 
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Who is more likely going to jail today? Manafort or Cohen? Or maybe we get a twofer??
 
zeke4ahs said:
Got to get Cohen and Manafort first. It's a process.
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No. That is not at all how the criminal justice system works, at least not how it used to work before we learned that the FBI leadership’s mission was to get Trump. Cohen and Manafort investigations are not part of the collusion investigation. We are supposed to investigate crimes not people. Prosecuting people is what Putin does.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
No. That is not at all how the criminal justice system works, at least not how it used to work before we learned that the FBI leadership’s mission was to get Trump. Cohen and Manafort investigations are not part of the collusion investigation. We are supposed to investigate crimes not people. Prosecuting people is what Putin does.
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Al Capone approves of this post. Among many other examples, did the US not target Copone specifically?
 
cosmickid said:
No celebratory tweets from Trump.How long before the narrative becomes "IG is part of deep state"?

"Former FBI Director James Comey “deviated” from FBI and Justice Department procedures in handling the probe into Hillary Clinton, damaging the law enforcement agencies’ image of impartiality even though he wasn’t motivated by political bias, the department’s watchdog found in a highly anticipated report.

“While we did not find that these decisions were the result of political bias on Comey’s part, we nevertheless concluded that by departing so clearly and dramatically from FBI and department norms, the decisions negatively impacted the perception of the FBI and the department as fair administrators of justice,” Inspector General Michael Horowitz said in the report’s conclusions, which were obtained Thursday by Bloomberg News."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comey-broke-fbi-procedures-clinton-140732718.html

I'd say the bolded was pretty obvious to most IMPARTIAL observers,given the fact that he didn't mention the fact they were investigating Trump.Oh,and reopening the "investigation" over what they had to believe were duplicate emails,11 days or so before the election...
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The report is devastating and disgusting. We learned:
  • The White House was involved with the CI operation of Trump’s campaign
  • Some FBI agents took bribes in exchange to leaking privileges to select media.
  • The anti-trump bias ran wider, deeper, with more severity than we knew.
  • Obama lied about his knowledge of Clinton’s server.
  • The Clinton email account was definitely compromised by foreign agents.
  • The FBI leadership allowed the politics of the 2016 election to disrupt the progress of the Clinton investigation thereby causing the late revealing of the Weiner lap top.
  • The FBI leadership broke protocol in several ways for Clinton’s benefit in her investigation because they all thought she would win and wanted to stay on her good side.
This whole thing is the result of Hillary Clinton’s hubris. She has ruined an agency and several agents are now under criminal investigation. She has torn the political fabric that holds us together. Pleasant dreams Hillary.

Oh and Comey is a bigger, unprofessional and unethical dumbass than we knew. The FBI leadership turned rotten on his watch. Why did he ever get to be FBI Director? Doesn’t speak well for Mueller.

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We also learned that
  • Some agents believed Clinton lied to the investors when she said she didn’t understand what emails were classified and that she never put classified material on her server.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
The report is devastating and disgusting. We learned:
  • The White House was involved with the CI operation of Trump’s campaign
  • Some FBI agents took bribes in exchange to leaking privileges to select media.
  • The anti-trump bias ran wider, deeper, with more severity than we knew.
  • Obama lied about his knowledge of Clinton’s server.
  • The Clinton email account was definitely compromised by foreign agents.
  • The FBI leadership allowed the politics of the 2016 election to disrupt the progress of the Clinton investigation thereby causing the late revealing of the Weiner lap top.
  • The FBI leadership broke protocol in several ways for Clinton’s benefit in her investigation because they all thought she would win and wanted to stay on her good side.
This whole thing is the result of Hillary Clinton’s hubris. She has ruined an agency and several agents are now under criminal investigation. She has torn the political fabric that holds us together. Pleasant dreams Hillary.

Oh and Comey is a bigger, unprofessional and unethical dumbass than we knew. The FBI leadership turned rotten on his watch. Why did he ever get to be FBI Director? Doesn’t speak well for Mueller.
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Your post illustrates the bad faith you have become renowned for here at the cooler. It is a stratagem that is destroying the fabric that holds us together. The article below demonstrates that the stratagem is now the approach of dear leaders GOP.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...lp-spread-trumps-lies/?utm_term=.de01758aef90
 
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Marvin the Martian said:
Al Capone approves of this post. Among many other examples, did the US not target Copone specifically?
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You are correct. Organized crime investigations, including Bobby Kennedy’s DOJ, did likewise. But in those cases, there was unmistakable evidence of criminal enterprise. Here, the objective of the SC’s charge is to find a crime we don’t know about.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
You are correct. Organized crime investigations, including Bobby Kennedy’s DOJ, did likewise. But in those cases, there was unmistakable evidence of criminal enterprise. Here, the objective of the SC’s charge is to find a crime we don’t know about.
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How the hell do you know what Mueller knows?

You don’t. Stop acting otherwise, please.

Until the report is released, none of us know anything, other than what the court documents tell us.
 
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Rockfish1 said:
The jackleg lawyer spouts a lunatic conspiracy theory, just like a dutiful Trumpbot.
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This “out to get Trump” BS is just that- BS. The report actually said there was no evidence of any attempt to “get Trump”.

In fact, their mistakes actually HELPED Trump. If the FBI truly wanted to tank Trump, they could’ve easily done so.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
You are correct. Organized crime investigations, including Bobby Kennedy’s DOJ, did likewise. But in those cases, there was unmistakable evidence of criminal enterprise. Here, the objective of the SC’s charge is to find a crime we don’t know about.
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You were heading in the right direction. But for some reason veered off. Government should not decide a person is guilty then go after them. And if that, correct, standard were applied maybe you would be onto something for Trump. But we have decided the government can convict someone then go out and prove it. After all, if we knew Capone was guilty of all these crimes, why was he never convicted?

Be cateful, you may find yourself heading down the civil liberties path.
 
wiede said:
How the hell do you know what Mueller knows?

You don’t. Stop acting otherwise, please.

Until the report is released, none of us know anything, other than what the court documents tell us.
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Reading comprehension would help. This isn’t about what Mueller knows. This is about why we even have a SC.
 
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