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[Baller23Boogie]

They did a look at me fest. Everything is look at me. Plus they literally dress as clowns. They are embarrassing. They act very childish and are out in the open about it on a huge platform. He ran for trustee and got smashed, there is a reason. Real money donors dont take him serious. They need HFG and adults running it to give real money. People give him 20 bucks they give HFG 20k

They did a fest that brought fans closer to the team. Who else did that?

Every team has crazy fans. A couple of our loudest are trying to get NIL going. People are complaining that Indiana is falling behind with NIL, so when these guys are trying to do something about it, they are getting trashed by their own kind.

Don't complain about NIL when we have people trying to do something about it, but you don't like the people doing something about it for some weird reason. It just comes off as a jealousy issue.

 

[birdforbogey]

What do you call Cavanagh Corner?

A circle jerk

 

[Cavanagh]

A circle jerk

who else is in the circle? You got two hands doin work in said circle?

 

[Cavanagh]

They did a fest that brought fans closer to the team. Who else did that?

Every team has crazy fans. A couple of our loudest are trying to get NIL going. People are complaining that Indiana is falling behind with NIL, so when these guys are trying to do something about it, they are getting trashed by their own kind.

Don't complain about NIL when we have people trying to do something about it, but you don't like the people doing something about it for some weird reason. It just comes off as a jealousy issue.

We are on the top of the mountain of NIL we don’t need the hysterics. HFG is in a class with a handful of other universities. We just gave race 150k. No other big ten school has done anything like that. The hysterics are a clown show. We don’t need them. I give more money to NIL then they do. You want me to start soiliciting you for money?

 

[IUclover]

They did a look at me fest. Everything is look at me. Plus they literally dress as clowns. They are embarrassing. They act very childish and are out in the open about it on a huge platform. He ran for trustee and got smashed, there is a reason. Real money donors dont take him serious. They need HFG and adults running it to give real money. People give him 20 bucks they give HFG 20k

I watched one clip of them a few weeks ago. Seemed kind of douchey and not for me. Listened to half a podcast after someone on the premium board said they the bomb. Couldn’t finish it. We have more content and insight here.

Maybe they’ll do an episode on this thread and wank each other.

 

[Cavanagh]

I watched one clip of them a few weeks ago. Seemed kind of douchey and not for me. Listened to half a podcast after someone on the premium board said they the bomb. Couldn’t finish it. We have more content and insight here.

Maybe they’ll do an episode on this thread and wank each other.

I am not a podcast guy, but how anyone could listen to 2 hours of them is beyond me.

 

[B1G_Fan]

We are on the top of the mountain of NIL we don’t need the hysterics. HFG is in a class with a handful of other universities. We just gave race 150k. No other big ten school has done anything like that. The hysterics are a clown show. We don’t need them. I give more money to NIL then they do. You want me to start soiliciting you for money?

The issue with HFG is that it covers all sports while the hysterics collective funds just basketball. I’m no hysterics fan in general, but let’s say they don’t contribute a penny (I don’t really believe that), they are still contributing their time running the whole show and fundraising.

They are a very good asset to IUBB… as far as NIL is concerned. I would definitely prefer they stopped all the theatrics though.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

The issue with HFG is that it covers all sports while the hysterics collective funds just basketball. I’m no hysterics fan in general, but let’s say they don’t contribute a penny (I don’t really believe that), they are still contributing their time running the whole show and fundraising.

They are a very good asset to IUBB… as far as NIL is concerned. I would definitely prefer they stopped all the theatrics though.

They would be an even better asset if alumni didn't cringe every time we see that act.

 

[B1G_Fan]

They would be an even better asset if alumni didn't cringe every time we see that act.

I agree.

 

[Cavanagh]

HFG will phase them out, thank god. HFG gave 80% of the money to bball players in the first thing they did. let’s be real, the reason it was created was iubball, they will just involve “all 24” or whatever slogan Glass coined is. Lol.

 

[turney333]

We are on the top of the mountain of NIL we don’t need the hysterics. HFG is in a class with a handful of other universities. We just gave race 150k. No other big ten school has done anything like that. The hysterics are a clown show. We don’t need them. I give more money to NIL then they do. You want me to start soiliciting you for money?

Dude, you’ve already solicited for money in this thread multiple times.

I can get that they aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, so just ignore them. Don’t listen to their podcast and for the love of god stop hate following them on twitter and you’re all good.



you got to let this go, it’s not a good look and absolutely smacks of jealousy.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

We are on the top of the mountain of NIL we don’t need the hysterics. HFG is in a class with a handful of other universities. We just gave race 150k. No other big ten school has done anything like that. The hysterics are a clown show. We don’t need them. I give more money to NIL then they do. You want me to start soiliciting you for money?

We aren't just competing with the Big 10. We want national championships, correct? We have Miami handing out 400k to kids. The Kentucky kid is getting something like a million dollars this year to stay. Timme from Gonzaga is making serious cash. That's just basketball.

You keep saying the Hysterics are clowns and are all for themselves. They are certainly over the top, but if I'm not mistaken, when you had kids sign contracts, didn't you link your Twitter to the board here and then post the interviews here for everyone to see? If so, that certainly screams look at me. I could be mis-remembering, and if so, I apologize.

If we were smart, we would start investing NIL dollars in football. Football is where the real money is made for athletic departments, but Indiana and its fans are ass backwards.

I just don't understand why we discourage anyone trying to push forward indiana athletics, especially when they are being welcomed in by the Indiana athletic departments.

 

[hookyIU1990]

You keep saying the Hysterics are clowns and are all for themselves. They are certainly over the top, but if I'm not mistaken, when you had kids sign contracts, didn't you link your Twitter to the board here and then post the interviews here for everyone to see? If so, that certainly screams look at me. I could be mis-remembering, and if so, I apologize.

In Cav's defense (not that he needs me to do it), there's a huge difference between the roving man on the street impromptu stuff that HH does and a scheduled interview that CC does.

HH actually committed a recruiting violation if I understood the situation correctly, not to mention it weirded the recruit out and he ended up shying away from the program as a result.

And who is paying for all of their trips back to Bloomington where they do their man on the street stuff? I personally wouldn't give them a dime based on their lack of transparency. At least HFG has to abide the rules of their 503c structure.

I also like the idea that HFG leadership consists of actual grownups with nearly a couple hundred years of experience between them.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

In Cav's defense (not that he needs me to do it), there's a huge difference between the roving man on the street impromptu stuff that HH does and a scheduled interview that CC does.

HH actually committed a recruiting violation if I understood the situation correctly, not to mention it weirded the recruit out and he ended up shying away from the program as a result.

And who is paying for all of their trips back to Bloomington where they do their man on the street stuff? I personally wouldn't give them a dime based on their lack of transparency. At least HFG has to abide the rules of their 503c structure.

I also like the idea that HFG leadership consists of actual grownups with nearly a couple hundred years of experience between them.

I've said the HH are over the top, but to say Cav doesn't put himself out there is disingenuous.

They're on record as saying they don't take a dime of what they bring in. You know that Eric is or was (don't know if he still is) producer for carpool karaoke, right? They have money.

What lack of transparency are you speaking of? They won't say how much they've given out because they've said the players didn't want it out there. That's not a unreasonable request.

If the program had a problem with what the HH were doing, they wouldn't give them so much access. By the access they have, we can clearly see they are welcoming what they are doing.

 

[kurt cloverdales]

I've said the HH are over the top, but to say Cav doesn't put himself out there is disingenuous.

They're on record as saying they don't take a dime of what they bring in. You know that Eric is or was (don't know if he still is) producer for carpool karaoke, right? They have money.

What lack of transparency are you speaking of? They won't say how much they've given out because they've said the players didn't want it out there. That's not a unreasonable request.

If the program had a problem with what the HH were doing, they wouldn't give them so much access. By the access they have, we can clearly see they are welcoming what they are doing.

can someone explain to me what HH is doing and who they are, never heard of it or them

 

[turney333]

You keep saying the Hysterics are clowns and are all for themselves. They are certainly over the top, but if I'm not mistaken, when you had kids sign contracts, didn't you link your Twitter to the board here and then post the interviews here for everyone to see? If so, that certainly screams look at me. I could be mis-remembering, and if so, I apologize.

Also, the hysterics started out well before NIL became a thing, and then leveraged their following to start one of the first NIL collectives in the country, and provided an initial place for fans to contribute to NIL deals for players until a more structured organization like HFG could be set up. Cav's setup on the other hand came seems built around capitalizing on NIL to personally buy access to players and in no way seems any more altruistic than what the hysterics are doing. Not criticizing him for doing Cav's Corner, just pointing out that he's not much different than the hysterics he's criticizing himself

I think the hysterics will have to evolve and become more organized to stay relevant in NIL territory, but what they have done so far has been big in getting the NIL ball rolling at IU.

 

[82hoosier]

If you’re a top prospect you should only have one thing on your mind…the NBA/NFL. That’s it. Nothing else. What college can prepare you and get you there. The top picks will make more in their rookie contract than the average Notre Dame grad will make in their entire career.

And if it doesn’t work out athletically being a well known player for a big state school will do more for your career than a sheepskin from Harvard.

Uh, no. Not even close.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

can someone explain to me what HH is doing and who they are, never heard of it or them

They're a pair of goofs that do a podcast everyweek that (usually) interview someone associated with Indiana.

They are constantly talking up NIL and much to their credit, have said that if people don't want to contribute to their collective, contribute to HFG.

They are Indiana super fans.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Also, the hysterics started out well before NIL became a thing, and then leveraged their following to start one of the first NIL collectives in the country, and provided an initial place for fans to contribute to NIL deals for players until a more structured organization like HFG could be set up. Cav's setup on the other hand came seems built around capitalizing on NIL to personally buy access to players and in no way seems any more altruistic than what the hysterics are doing. Not criticizing him for doing Cav's Corner, just pointing out that he's not much different than the hysterics he's criticizing himself

I think the hysterics will have to evolve and become more organized to stay relevant in NIL territory, but what they have done so far has been big in getting the NIL ball rolling at IU.

Agree 100%

 

[kurt cloverdales]

They're a pair of goofs that do a podcast everyweek that (usually) interview someone associated with Indiana.

They are constantly talking up NIL and much to their credit, have said that if people don't want to contribute to their collective, contribute to HFG.

They are Indiana super fans.

thanks

 

[turney333]

They're a pair of goofs that do a podcast everyweek that (usually) interview someone associated with Indiana.

They are constantly talking up NIL and much to their credit, have said that if people don't want to contribute to their collective, contribute to HFG.

They are Indiana super fans.

Also regarding HFG, one big question I have is how much of donations are going to players. I suspect that the donations are being split between the affiliated charities and players. Not talking about there being admin overhead, just that it seems likely that the charities are getting a certain percentage for their general fund that isn't earmarked for players' involvement/promo work (wouldn't be surprised by anywhere between 10 and 50% going straight to the charity).

In that regard, the hysterics/cav still might be a more efficient way for fans to contribute to NIL deals than HFG, even if substantially more organized.

 

[Cavanagh]

I am busy today and skimmed through these posts. I literally was going to pay tamar to put cavanaghs awesome on his shoe. that’s how my NIL started. Then I went to the Bahamas and filmed the games and was like, maybe I’ll incorporate video to NIL.

I do a whole lot of look at me on this board. no denying that. You know the one that has a few 100 people on it. You think Tamar or his family has ever read anything I’ve posted here? They have seen everything I post on Twitter. I like this board and I have always been very open and honest in it. Now look at what I post on Twitter.

they make a fool out of my university on a large platform, and I hate it.

 

[hookyIU1990]

I've said the HH are over the top, but to say Cav doesn't put himself out there is disingenuous.

They're on record as saying they don't take a dime of what they bring in. You know that Eric is or was (don't know if he still is) producer for carpool karaoke, right? They have money.

What lack of transparency are you speaking of? They won't say how much they've given out because they've said the players didn't want it out there. That's not a unreasonable request.

If the program had a problem with what the HH were doing, they wouldn't give them so much access. By the access they have, we can clearly see they are welcoming what they are doing.

First of all, I never said Cav didn't put himself out there. I said there's a difference between what he does with the studio setting interviews and what HH does with their man on the street approach. One glaring difference is that CC is paying the guys to do the interview while HH doesn't appear to paying anyone to be interviewed and have it posted. Maybe I'm wrong, but how would I know?

As far as not taking a dime, they can claim anything they want. Making a claim is not being transparent. They don't have to disclose what they're bringing in, how they're using it, how much of it is actually going to admin expenses, etc.... It's just a black box where money goes in and presumably out while as a donor, you're asked to believe what they're saying. I have no idea if they do or don't take a dime and that's the troubling part to me.

I also never said the program did or didn't have a problem. I've listed the reasons why I wouldn't give them money for NIL.

If they're doing God's work as it relates to NIL, then more power to them. Doesn't change my mind about them, since I don't really know what they do beyond the cringy random interviews and a podcast I don't care for.

HFG is much more transparent relative to HH. I know who is involved from leadership, athletes and charities.

 

[.Gerdis]

If the program had a problem with what the HH were doing, they wouldn't give them so much access. By the access they have, we can clearly see they are welcoming what they are doing.

In these early stages the last people in the world I would want to ask about what is allowed is someone from IUs compliance department. Of course they will say that every I is dotted, and every T crossed.

The boosters have control over this right now. There is no such thing to the players as dirty money.

imho, the only thing that is going to change things is if the universities begin to see a conflict of interest between them and the boosters/players. If they feel that they are being used by the players and booster alliances. and see the players and boosters making hand over fist by using the schools image and the schools see it costing them, then things may change.

 

[B1G_Fan]

First of all, I never said Cav didn't put himself out there. I said there's a difference between what he does with the studio setting interviews and what HH does with their man on the street approach. One glaring difference is that CC is paying the guys to do the interview while HH doesn't appear to paying anyone to be interviewed and have it posted. Maybe I'm wrong, but how would I know?

As far as not taking a dime, they can claim anything they want. Making a claim is not being transparent. They don't have to disclose what they're bringing in, how they're using it, how much of it is actually going to admin expenses, etc.... It's just a black box where money goes in and presumably out while as a donor, you're asked to believe what they're saying. I have no idea if they do or don't take a dime and that's the troubling part to me.

I also never said the program did or didn't have a problem. I've listed the reasons why I wouldn't give them money for NIL.

If they're doing God's work as it relates to NIL, then more power to them. Doesn't change my mind about them, since I don't really know what they do beyond the cringy random interviews and a podcast I don't care for.

HFG is much more transparent relative to HH. I know who is involved from leadership, athletes and charities.

Can you post a link to the HFG transactions? How much does Glass get paid? How much do they spend on administrative things? How much have they taken in versus how much have they given out?

 

[Baller23Boogie]

First of all, I never said Cav didn't put himself out there. I said there's a difference between what he does with the studio setting interviews and what HH does with their man on the street approach. One glaring difference is that CC is paying the guys to do the interview while HH doesn't appear to paying anyone to be interviewed and have it posted. Maybe I'm wrong, but how would I know?

As far as not taking a dime, they can claim anything they want. Making a claim is not being transparent. They don't have to disclose what they're bringing in, how they're using it, how much of it is actually going to admin expenses, etc.... It's just a black box where money goes in and presumably out while as a donor, you're asked to believe what they're saying. I have no idea if they do or don't take a dime and that's the troubling part to me.

I also never said the program did or didn't have a problem. I've listed the reasons why I wouldn't give them money for NIL.

If they're doing God's work as it relates to NIL, then more power to them. Doesn't change my mind about them, since I don't really know what they do beyond the cringy random interviews and a podcast I don't care for.

HFG is much more transparent relative to HH. I know who is involved from leadership, athletes and charities.

Again, thr Hysterics have openly said donate to NIL, whether it is to their collective or the HFG NIL. It's weird that seems to be lost on people on this site that we want to cannibalize our own for trying to push forward Indiana athletics.

They've paid players for doing the fanfest last year. The did video work for the girls team that got some of the girls paid.

No, they don't pay anyone to do their podcast. Why would they? They've been doing the podcast for years. They've had just about everyone associate not named Bob Knight on (I'm saying that tongue in cheek). They've had Jay Bilas and Jeff Goodman on so it's not just Indiana people, but also basketball people. During a call in segment, they had one of Tamar's parents call in and talk for a while.

The older fans may not like them, but the team and athletic department seems to have no problem at all with what they bring.

 

[HoosiersChamps]

You assume no other programs have money. Look at Oklahoma state. Lots of booster money.

Still? Didn't T Boone pass away?

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I am busy today and skimmed through these posts. I literally was going to pay tamar to put cavanaghs awesome on his shoe. that’s how my NIL started. Then I went to the Bahamas and filmed the games and was like, maybe I’ll incorporate video to NIL.

I do a whole lot of look at me on this board. no denying that. You know the one that has a few 100 people on it. You think Tamar or his family has ever read anything I’ve posted here? They have seen everything I post on Twitter. I like this board and I have always been very open and honest in it. Now look at what I post on Twitter.

they make a fool out of my university on a large platform, and I hate it.

You can't make this up.

Putting on a fanfest was a look at me fest but going to pay a player to put your last name on his shoes isn't narcissistic at all.

Hypocrite much?

 

[hookyIU1990]

Can you post a link to the HFG transactions? How much does Glass get paid? How much do they spend on administrative things? How much have they taken in versus how much have they given out?

Not until they file their stuff with the IRS after their first year of operations.

Anyone can request the last 3 years of 990 filings from a 501c3 organization and it lays out a pretty detailed picture of how they spend what they bring in.

Here's the form https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f990.pdf

HH is under no obligation to do that. Will they anyway?

 

[IUNorth]

You don’t get it either. There has always been rules. Those rules get pushed and broken. Schools, boosters, etc. never cared about rules. If they did they were losing.

There used to be more strict transfer rules though. NIL, in conjunction with the very relaxed transfer rules, is going to create a stinky mess of a situation.

I don't know the answer, and I don't think reverting all the way back to the old transfer rules is the best route. But there should be some sort of rules in place to keep kids from jumping to the highest bidder every year.

You can't even do that in professional sports. Maybe NIL deals should have length of contracts attached to them? Maybe they do?

 

[Victorbmyboy]

There used to be more strict transfer rules though. NIL, in conjunction with the very relaxed transfer rules, is going to create a stinky mess of a situation.

I don't know the answer, and I don't think reverting all the way back to the old transfer rules is the best route. But there should be some sort of rules in place to keep kids from jumping to the highest bidder every year.

You can't even do that in professional sports. Maybe NIL deals should have length of contracts attached to them? Maybe they do?

I wasn’t talking about transfer rules.

 

[turney333]

they make a fool out of my university on a large platform, and I hate it.

Make a fool out of the university? I would say few outside IU fans even know who they are, hell a lot of IU fans don't know who they are. And to the extent that they have a large platform, its a platform they built by attracting a lot of IU fans that like what they do.

And you do realize that this is sports we are talking about - Vitale/Corso are revered sports personalities, shows like PTI and Around the Horn have been on air for over 20 years, look at basically anything Barstool is doing - what the hysterics are doing is just a drop in the ocean of sports media antics.

 

[hookyIU1990]

The older fans may not like them, but the team and athletic department seems to have no problem at all with what they bring.

Again, for second and last time, I never said the team, individual player or athletic department did or didn't have a problem with them. I feel like I'm arguing with my ex wife. Perhaps you and I should agree to an amicable split also.

 

[turney333]

Again, thr Hysterics have openly said donate to NIL, whether it is to their collective or the HFG NIL. It's weird that seems to be lost on people on this site that we want to cannibalize our own for trying to push forward Indiana athletics.

They've paid players for doing the fanfest last year. The did video work for the girls team that got some of the girls paid.

No, they don't pay anyone to do their podcast. Why would they? They've been doing the podcast for years. They've had just about everyone associate not named Bob Knight on (I'm saying that tongue in cheek). They've had Jay Bilas and Jeff Goodman on so it's not just Indiana people, but also basketball people. During a call in segment, they had one of Tamar's parents call in and talk for a while.

The older fans may not like them, but the team and athletic department seems to have no problem at all with what they bring.

Although Knight hasn't been a podcast guest, he has been a guest at 2 events they have hosted. Plus, compared to some of their twitter videos, their podcast is tame in comparison and it mostly just sounds like 2 genuinely excited fans.

 

[.Gerdis]

There used to be more strict transfer rules though. NIL, in conjunction with the very relaxed transfer rules, is going to create a stinky mess of a situation.

I don't know the answer, and I don't think reverting all the way back to the old transfer rules is the best route. But there should be some sort of rules in place to keep kids from jumping to the highest bidder every year.

You can't even do that in professional sports. Maybe NIL deals should have length of contracts attached to them? Maybe they do?

No to mention no salary cap.

pro sports are controlled. College sports is not, at all.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Not until they file their stuff with the IRS after their first year of operations.

Anyone can request the last 3 years of 990 filings from a 501c3 organization and it lays out a pretty detailed picture of how they spend what they bring in.

Here's the form https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f990.pdf

HH is under no obligation to do that. Will they anyway?

And if/when HFG gets their 501c3 status revoked?

At least you admit that HFG is currently no more transparent. In fact, they are even less transparent. At least they have stated how much they’ve brought in and how much they’ve given out.

 

[B1G_Fan]

I just read that a kid playing in our state is on SM asking fans to donate directly to his fun summer of travel. No endorsements, no appearances, just send me some money.

Craziness continues.

I hate Purdue as much as anyone, but that’s a weird way to interrupt the Go Fund Me Morton has setup.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

And if/when HFG gets their 501c3 status revoked?

At least you admit that HFG is currently no more transparent. In fact, they are even less transparent. At least they have stated how much they’ve brought in and how much they’ve given out.

There are clear IRS guidelines around 501 (c) (3) entities and Fred will comply. Don't be silly.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I hate Purdue as much as anyone, but that’s a weird way to interrupt the Go Fund Me Morton has setup.

Ok, I looked it up. It is for an all-star team so not so crazy at all.

Very poorly executed post he made though, particularly right now. Never afraid to admit when I am wrong, so I took it down.

 

[Cavanagh]

Although Knight hasn't been a podcast guest, he has been a guest at 2 events they have hosted. Plus, compared to some of their twitter videos, their podcast is tame in comparison and it mostly just sounds like 2 genuinely excited fans.

Ah yes the event at the bluebird where the only thing he asked them if they were gay. Priceless.