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If you thought the President ran the executive department . . .

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. . . You would be wrong.

Yesterday, Judge Alikhan decided she can supersede the executive decisions of a President if she determines said decisions are “irrational or imprudent”. In other words, Presidential discretionary decisions are subject to whether a federal judge would agree. The judge did not rule based upon such mundane constitutional standards such as due process, scope of presidential authority, or the commerce clause. No she went to a new and broader standard of whether she thought the presidential decision was prudent or irrational. She used her personal political views, expressed as being rational and prudent to overrule the President. At issue was Trumps spending pause.

Oh, here she is denying she would use her personal beliefs to decide cases.



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hmm. so now it's an issue when it happens to Trump but celebrated when it happened to Biden.

interesting.

I wonder if we can build a statue of her for being a hero.
 
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I doubt the ruling was Constitutionally based. In fact, very few are until they get to the Supremes.
I glanced through the ruling, but I'm not a lawyer and tapped out pretty quickly. I suppose since it's a temp restraining order, it doesn't matter as long as the judge has reason to believe that there's a chance it can be won. The idea that it was similar to Biden's student loan fiasco is kind of funny though. That went all the way to SCOTUS and was shot down, then he still looked for ways to get it done. Both sides are off the rails with this stuff.

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I glanced through the ruling, but I'm not a lawyer and tapped out pretty quickly. I suppose since it's a temp restraining order, it doesn't matter as long as the judge has reason to believe that there's a chance it can be won. The idea that it was similar to Biden's student loan fiasco is kind of funny though. That went all the way to SCOTUS and was shot down, then he still looked for ways to get it done. Both sides are off the rails with this stuff.

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It doesn't say what OP claims it says. It's just saying that the plaintiffs meet the requirements for an injunction.
 
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It doesn't say what OP claims it says. It's just saying that the plaintiffs meet the requirements for an injunction.
That is what it looks like, the petitioners had a claim of immediate adversity without an injunction and the court made it. She hasn't said the president cannot do it, just that he can't do it yet. Am I wrong?

In TV shows judges always seem to reference "capricious and arbitrary". It turns out that wasn't "Capri Suns and arbitrary" who knew? I assume what she said is her speech for "capricious and arbitrary".
 
That is what it looks like, the petitioners had a claim of immediate adversity without an injunction and the court made it. She hasn't said the president cannot do it, just that he can't do it yet. Am I wrong?

In TV shows judges always seem to reference "capricious and arbitrary". It turns out that wasn't "Capri Suns and arbitrary" who knew? I assume what she said is her speech for "capricious and arbitrary".
I expected to see a reference to the arbitrary and capricious standard for judicial review. That applies to quasi judicial decisions of the lower tribunal and generally means lack of evidence. When another branch acts in an administrative or legislative capacity, the review means did the lower tribunal have the requisite authority and was due process involved. The merits are off limits because of separation of powers.
 
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I expected to see a reference to the arbitrary and capricious standard for judicial review. That applies to quasi judicial decisions of the lower tribunal and generally means lack of evidence. When another branch acts in an administrative or legislative capacity, the review means did the lower tribunal have the requisite authority and was due process involved. The merits are off limits because of separation of powers.
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I expected to see a reference to the arbitrary and capricious standard for judicial review. That applies to quasi judicial decisions of the lower tribunal and generally means lack of evidence. When another branch acts in an administrative or legislative capacity, the review means did the lower tribunal have the requisite authority and was due process involved. The merits are off limits because of separation of powers.

It is a powers question. She has not decided the question. She said the plaintiffs will suffer harm that cannot be corrected so there needs to be a real hearing

If Congress allocated a million for cancer research, can the prez say, "nope, not spending a penny". If he can, what good is the power of the purse? That is the question to be answered.

There was no review, no "this does not fit, this does". Without any review, it is arbitrary.
 
It is a powers question. She has not decided the question. She said the plaintiffs will suffer harm that cannot be corrected so there needs to be a real hearing

If Congress allocated a million for cancer research, can the prez say, "nope, not spending a penny". If he can, what good is the power of the purse? That is the question to be answered.

There was no review, no "this does not fit, this does". Without any review, it is arbitrary.
That’s just the injunction process you’re reciting. Prelim maintains status quo then hrg for final
 
The “requirements” include probably of success on the merits. She definitely applied her novel prudent/rational standard.
I expected to see a reference to the arbitrary and capricious standard for judicial review. That applies to quasi judicial decisions of the lower tribunal and generally means lack of evidence. When another branch acts in an administrative or legislative capacity, the review means did the lower tribunal have the requisite authority and was due process involved. The merits are off limits because of separation of powers.
Her only use of the terms "irrational" and "imprudent" are specifically in explanation of why the Plaintiffs are likely to win on their "arbitrary and capricious" claim.

She might be wrong. She might be overturned in the long run. But she's not doing here what you want to believe she's doing. She's not trying to substitute the court's judgment for the executive's. She's simply going through the steps required to rule on a request for an injunction. You're trying too hard to find a reason to disagree with her, and overshooting by a decent margin because of it.
 
Her only use of the terms "irrational" and "imprudent" are specifically in explanation of why the Plaintiffs are likely to win on their "arbitrary and capricious" claim.

She might be wrong. She might be overturned in the long run. But she's not doing here what you want to believe she's doing. She's not trying to substitute the court's judgment for the executive's. She's simply going through the steps required to rule on a request for an injunction. You're trying too hard to find a reason to disagree with her, and overshooting by a decent margin because of it.
The jurisdictional threshold of the injunction is her holding that Trumps order is irrational and imprudent. Judges cannot enjoin the administration or legislature from doing their constitutionally assigned powers because they think the action is unwise.
 
It is a powers question. She has not decided the question. She said the plaintiffs will suffer harm that cannot be corrected so there needs to be a real hearing
No. Irreparable harm is only a factor if the court has power to act. The court is not a super-president.
 
Not according to the order itself. You're implanting your own biases into this, instead of reading what she actually wrote.
Huh? How does what she actually wrote change the fact that she has enjoined an administrative act of the President on the grounds she believes said act is imprudent or irrational?
 
Huh? How does what she actually wrote change the fact that she has enjoined an administrative act of the President on the grounds she believes said act is imprudent or irrational?
I guess to understand, you have to read the entire thing, instead of just latching onto two words and trying to turn it into some fresh outrage.

Heck, even if you just read the entire paragraph that those two words are found in, you'd understand it better.
 
Huh? How does what she actually wrote change the fact that she has enjoined an administrative act of the President on the grounds she believes said act is imprudent or irrational?
Sounds like you want some deference for administrative decisions within the Executive branch.
 
I guess to understand, you have to read the entire thing, instead of just latching onto two words and trying to turn it into some fresh outrage.

Heck, even if you just read the entire paragraph that those two words are found in, you'd understand it better.
Imposing some burden of reasonableness on the administration is way out of her lane. She is not president. She can only rule on presidential authority, due process, commerce clause, and other constitutional matters. There is noting in article II about a president being reasonable in the eyes of political opponents.
 
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. . . You would be wrong.

Yesterday, Judge Alikhan decided she can supersede the executive decisions of a President if she determines said decisions are “irrational or imprudent”. In other words, Presidential discretionary decisions are subject to whether a federal judge would agree. The judge did not rule based upon such mundane constitutional standards such as due process, scope of presidential authority, or the commerce clause. No she went to a new and broader standard of whether she thought the presidential decision was prudent or irrational. She used her personal political views, expressed as being rational and prudent to overrule the President. At issue was Trumps spending pause.

Oh, here she is denying she would use her personal beliefs to decide cases.



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She was ruling on agency action (set up by Congress):

Under the APA, a court must “hold unlawful and set aside agency action, findings, and conclusions” that are “arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law.” 5 U.S.C. § 706(2)(A). “The scope of review under the ‘arbitrary and capricious’ standard is narrow and a court is not to substitute its judgment for that of the agency.” Motor Vehicle Mfrs. Ass’n of the U.S., Inc. v. State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co., 463 U.S. 29, 43 (1983). To pass muster, the agency “must examine the relevant data and articulate a satisfactory explanation for its action[,] including a ‘rational connection between the facts found and the choice made.’” Id. (quoting Burlington Truck Lines v. United States, 371 U.S. 156, 168 (1962)). Agency action is generally deemed unlawful if it “has relied on factors which Congress has not intended it to consider, entirely failed to consider an important aspect of the problem, offered an explanation for its decision that runs counter to the evidence before the agency, or is so implausible that it could not be ascribed to a difference in view or the product of agency expertise.” Id.

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Plaintiffs’ second claim argues that Defendants dramatically overstepped the bounds of their legal authority in ordering a nationwide funding freeze.12 Agencies “are creatures of statute” and are therefore subject to the limits prescribed by Congress. Nat’l Fed’n of Indep. Bus. v. Dep’t of Lab., Occupational Safety & Health Admin., 595 U.S. 109, 117 (2022) (“OSHA”). In other words, they “‘literally ha[ve] no power to act’ except to the extent Congress [has] authorized.” Marin Audubon Soc’y v. Fed. Aviation Admin., 121 F.4th 902, 912 (D.C. Cir. 2024) (first alteration in original) (quoting Fed. Election Comm’n v. Ted Cruz for Senate, 596 U.S. 289, 301 (2022)). If an agency exceeds that power, the court must set aside its action under the APA. See 5 U.S.C. § 706(2)(C).

OMB’s organic statute is 31 U.S.C. § 503. Within it, Defendants primarily rely on subsections (a)(2) and (a)(5), but neither appears to grant the expansive authority that OMB tried to exercise here. Under subsection (a)(2), OMB may “[p]rovide overall direction and leadership to the executive branch on financial management matters by establishing financial management policies and requirements.” Id. § 503(a)(2). But providing overall direction and establishing financial management policies do not clearly confer the power to halt all finances, full-stop, on a moment’s notice. Indeed, the structure and provisions of Section 503 strongly suggest that OMB 12 As was the case at the TRO stage, a plaintiff who brings multiple claims only needs to show a likelihood of success on one of them to obtain injunctive relief. See Media Matters for Am. v. Paxton, 732 F. Supp. 3d 1, 27 (D.D.C.), appeal filed, No. 24-7059 (D.C. Cir. 2024). In the interest of being thorough, the court will address each of Plaintiffs’ claims here. 31 Case 1:25-cv-00239-LLA Document 51 Filed 02/25/25 Page 32 of 39 occupies an oversight role. Defendants have not pointed to specific authority that allows it to unilaterally pull the plug on nearly all federal monetary flows.
 
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