I remember when IU fired John Pont and I remember when IU fired Bobby Knight. Priorities # 1 & 2 are a president and an AD with, at minimum, half a brain each.
If Urban Meyer is fired by OSU, should IU hire him?
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The guy's an enigma. I'll never understand what happened at the end of his tenure at UF. He resigned shortly after his undefeated team got its ass kicked by Alabama in the SEC championship game in 2009, then unresigned, then resigned again (this time for good) after a 7-5 season in 2010. He cited health reasons (he had chest pains and dehydration after the thumping by Alabama in 2009), but perhaps what was really making him sick was the knowledge that he wasn't going to be the top dog in the SEC any longer.
But he has certainly owned that distinction in the Big Ten. OSU will drop to some extent (it's inevitable - - no successor will have the insane winning percentage Meyer achieved) , but the question is how far. Obviously they're a blue blood program, but so is Michigan and they struggled under Rich Rod and Brady Hoke. Speaking of Michigan, who knows how much longer Harbaugh will be around. Maybe we're headed for a period where the Big Ten East isn't quite so fierce.
I don't think he's going anywhere... His PR guys have already had him write a letter of contrition.
"The" Ohio State University and their minions like winning football games far too much to let him go over this.
If Dantonio can weather the storm up at M$U then "the" O$U will find a way to sheepdip Urb and keep him until he starts losing...
* Just my jaded opinion...
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Gotta love how he attributed his lie at Big Ten Media Days (i.e. that he didn't know about the 2015 incident until recently) to "not [being] adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media." Sounds to me like self-serving bullshit. Since when did telling the truth about something clearly within your knowledge require preparation? It wasn't like he got some detail wrong. He flat-out denied knowing about the 2015 incident in 2015 (and I believe he suggested it never happened) which was a bald-faced lie.
That said, lying doesn't seem to be the transgression it once was (a sign of the times, I guess) and that alone probably won't get him canned. However, if the investigation uncovers more evidence of pressure exerted on the victim to refrain from filing charges during her years of physical abuse, and if Meyer was complicit in applying that pressure, he's probably done. We'll see.
That's crap U.L. fan boy's would say ..
It's ok...
Get real ..
He's toast..He must have the stupidest lawyer's outside of Trump.
They may keep him.But only because of a nutty fan base .With tons of cash that influence.
It's ok...
Get real ..
He's toast..He must have the stupidest lawyer's outside of Trump.
They may keep him.But only because of a nutty fan base .With tons of cash that influence.
Fair enough. Maybe you should've paid attention to the preseason projections where IU was generally around 8th -10th (in conf) in most publications for basketball. Losing 3 players (would-be starters) early to go pro is and was a recipe for a down year. The football team had every reason to be a 7 win team with as many starters coming back from the season before. That therein is the difference that some of us have between the two sports and making comparisons. It's okay to have different outlook on things, but it's also important to know why. That's what message boards are for.
On paper I think 7 wins was a reasonable expectation for last years team, that was more or less my prediction going into the season. Though, I think the “on paper” expectations did not account for a few major things: injuries and over estimation of the Oline.
Certainly injuries are going to affect every team every year, but I would just argue that IU got hit particularly hard last year, definitely well above average.
The issues on OL were present the year before, though Feeney just helped mask them to a degree. If it’s a talent/recruiting issue, then that’s completely on Wilson/Frey. If it’s a strength/conditioning issue, that’s predominantly on Wilson/Caton. Allen arguably could have made the change with Caton before last season, but strength/conditioning issues compound year after year it may not have been as apparent the year prior.
Allen doesn’t necessarily get a free pass, but deserves a little benefit of the doubt in case the house was in a bit more disarray than it appeared from the outside
Kindly excuse me for bumping my own post but this OSU thing is getting worse and worse by the hour and there are 20-something OSU commits who do not know who will be the Buckeye's coach next year. We need to be getting into their heads right now.
Would a “down year” include actually getting obliterated by IPFW and ISU on your home court and taking a dump in the Big Ten Tourney and not qualifying even for the NIT?
What you consider a “down year” , other fan bases would consider a steaming pile. It’s IU basketball, dude. You act like we had a roster full of YMCA rejects. And to lose to Rutgers like that? Big fail.
He wasn't worth our time to interview in 2001 -- when he wanted to come to Indiana. What has changed since then? Let's see, one change is we have a football coach widely regarded as a good man and who seems to hit it off well with recruits and team members. Meanwhile, Urban is facing allegations that are a form of dereliction of duty to the students entrusted to him. Can we be sure he can still recruit those elite athletes?
I'm thinkin' we take another pass and let's stick with CTA.
I'm thinkin' we take another pass and let's stick with CTA.
While it's convenient to explain things the way you did, I can also ask these questions:
Didn't we have enough offense vs Maryland and Purdue?
Should the defense and special teams be more to blame in those losses?
Did you (and others) pick us to win those two games despite the known conditions?
If injuries and offense were such a problem, care to explain how we were able to hang with Michigan and MSU?
I'm still in the camp we were (and should have been) a 7 win team despite what is said and perceived. We flat out underachieved. Sugarcoating it in any other fashion isn't my style.
We blew a 14 point lead at Maryland, who was using a 4th string QB, and in the midst of losing 7 out of their last 8. Defense and special teams were non-existent and easily the worst loss for us. Should never have lost this game.
Purdue had a 5th string RB gash us for over 200 yards. They pulled off a fake punt which eventually led to a touchdown. They simply wanted this game more than us. Our "top 30" defense was anything but. Couldn't create any kind of turnovers, and had a few costly penalties.
In conclusion, our defense was already established to be the better side of the ball even before the season began. But it came out small in the two games that could've gotten us the seven wins I am alluding to.
By no means was I dismissing those bad losses. In fact, I'm right with you with the steaming pile. But I had already wrote the season off before it began. If we aren't good enough to make the dance, then those losses didn't mean as much. We were already going to be a mediocre squad with little hope. Therefore I wasn't as vocal about the losses. Next season is tourney or bust. I had bowl expectations for football, therefore I was a bit more critical in that aspect for last season.
IU Football program needs a shot in the arm by hiring an established coach that could come in to IU and recruit above and beyond the past history of IU football. That is the only reason that I would take a chance on an Urban Meyer if the legality of the situation does not have Urban committing any NCAA rules violation and no laws were broken, and no student athletes or students were involved with no connection to the football team. Could be these allegations are true and it's just the right thing to do to not hire Urb? Could be, but I will guess now that Urban Meyer has a good chance to survive this, as MSU coaches have done so far with far worse allegations against players on the actual team who the head coach is responsible for. Basketball should never take the risk of hiring anyone with past NCAA or legal issues, such as Sampson. But football is not historically a top 6 program nationally, and it has been one of the worst BCS football programs in the last 50 years. IU football may need to take a chance on giving someone a 2nd chance, in order to reach greatness. Without a top tier coach I believe we will never see a vast improvement in IU football. This is the only reason I mentioned this, it was not to hire a felon, but to give IU hope of possibly making a splash nationally in football for the first time in my lifetime. Mediocre is for PU. I want IU to win and go to bowls, which will make more money for the entire sports program.
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I get what you are saying, but I don’t think it’s good to break down a season to “we should have done this or that in a particular game”
There’s going to be a huge variation in performances during the season. You are going to have good games and bad games.
A 7 win IU team was still bound to have bad games like Maryland and Purdue (which were road games). In my mind, a healthy IU team with a decent oline still may have struggled against Maryland and Purdue, especially since they were on the road, but would have limped their way to a win in at least one, but also put enough together to steal a win against Mich or MSU. My point is that you can't expect to turn in an "average" in every game. And a prediction of 7 wins doesn't mean winning the 7 easiest games
So yes, IU was good enough last year to win against Purdue and Maryland, but just not good enough to overcome the inherent variability in performance level that you see in college football. Look at Iowa’s 7 win regular season last year, knocked off OSU, but also turned in an even worse performance against Purdue than IU did, and Iowa had home field advantage
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Sorry, I don't subscribe to the "win at all costs" mentality.
Meyer may not have broken any laws, but there's something else called ethics, and I believe he's challenged in that area.
Meyer didn't simply lie to the media on July 24. He impugned the integrity of the reporter who broke the story when he said “And there was nothing. Once again, there's nothing—once again, I don't know who creates a story like that.” If the victim hadn't then come forward with texts and photos, Meyer would still be clinging to his lie (the lie that nothing happened), and the reporter would be the subject of mock and scorn or worse.
Meyer had a sketchy ethical rep at UF. Certainly you can't blame him for all the player arrests (there were 31 arrests during Meyer's six years), but it almost certainly speaks to the type of players he was recruiting and/or the culture within the football program. Also, I don't know if there are stats on this, but 31 arrests in a six year period might be an NCAA record.
There was a string of arrests early on at OSU, with things then quieting down in that regard, but now the Zach Smith debacle has come back to haunt Meyer, at least in the short term.
I like our current HC. I believe our administration does as well. But even if they don't, I'm certain they wouldn't touch Urban Meyer with a ten foot pole. And I'm glad for that.
Soccer is the world's favorite sport. And IU wins National Titles in Soccer. IU football has been the most unsuccessful sport at IU in any of the major sports. PU hires Brohm, who is already beating IU, and now is out-recruiting IU. IU hires from within. You get what you pay for, already knowing the result, before the outcome. Why settle for sub-.500 and no bowl most seasons? Optimism is not always reality. I would like to see IU go to a major bowl and be relevant nationally in football in my lifetime. PU alums at work annually mock IU football. It gets old, I take the fall off as my Hogh School is even less sucessful than IU in football. Colts are now awful. Football usually means all of my teams losing. I would like IU football to change that trend sometime in my lifetime. I hope Tom Allen is the guy and will happily admit I'm wrong, but after 50 years of losing it is difficult to see positive change when coaching candidates are not even considered and you go cheap and hire from within, expecting different results.
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Sorry Dan but your BFF will not be coaching at IU. We already have a good moral coach in place that does things the right way. Please stick to your goofy radio show and leave football talk to the grown ups on this board.
Meyer will not be fired for claiming he did NOT know about a 2015 incident when he really knew. Nobody cares if he was too dumb to say “I’m not gonna talk about personnel issues here today.” Nobody but the reporters care if he lied to a gaggle of reporters about whether he “knew” about 2015.
Meyer will not be fired because he failed to report an incident in 2015. Based on the statements made so far, he reported it.
IF Meyer is fired, it will be because he knew about repeated accusations and did not fire a guy who will be portrayed as/proven to be an abuser. If THAT happens, Meyer will be toxic.
The current process is about whether he can survive the public outcry by claiming “he said/she said - allegations aren’t enough to fire people - coaches shouldn’t really be the Deciders”
But The Ahia State Football Program is bigger than even Urban, and if there is any crack in his “I did the right thing - the system is the problem” defense, he will be jettisoned like a stinky Chuck Taylor.
I agree but be aware that there was really a sea change at Purdue to get things turned around. In rapid fire they had a new president, a new chairman of the BOT, and a new AD all with the determination to stop the penny-pinching and turn things around in football. That's how they got Brohm.
“PU alums at work annually mock IU football.”
They’ve won 1 of the last 5. They mocked you when IU won 4 in a row?
Did you have any retort those years? We’ll see how things go this year before I consider it a trend.
OMG PU WON 1 OF THE LAST 5 BY 7! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I’VE BEEN DEALING WITH!
VBG
Wilson is gone. Brohm is now at PU. The nomentum has likely switched sides. If you go back 50 years, IU football has been non-bowl eligible most seasons. IU needs to hire a Big Time coach, to drastically change the football program in a positive way.
How many different times and ways are you going to say the same ridiculous thing? If you're still pushing for Meyer, it's not going to happen. If you're now advocating for someone else (whoever that quintessential "Big Time Coach" may be), that's not going to happen either because IU is not in the market for a new HC. Allen will be given a reasonable and fair opportunity to succeed, and that opportunity will certainly extend beyond the current season no matter what happens in 2018. So why not stop beating a dead horse and talk about a topic that's actually meaningful.
I want IU football to compete for bowls annually.
Some of what I mentioned in the past is sarcasm based on watching IU football over the last several decdes, but the key is leadership that can recruit at a Top Tier B1G Level to compete for postseason bowls. The B1G East has games where IU will be the underdog every season.(OSU, PSU, UM, MSU) and when they schedule Wis, Neb, Iowa, NW, IU will nearly have to win every non-conference game and beat PU to be bowl eligible. When NW is much better now in football than IU it is embarrasing. No reason IU can not recruit better in football.
Some of what I mentioned in the past is sarcasm based on watching IU football over the last several decdes, but the key is leadership that can recruit at a Top Tier B1G Level to compete for postseason bowls. The B1G East has games where IU will be the underdog every season.(OSU, PSU, UM, MSU) and when they schedule Wis, Neb, Iowa, NW, IU will nearly have to win every non-conference game and beat PU to be bowl eligible. When NW is much better now in football than IU it is embarrasing. No reason IU can not recruit better in football.
You effectively undercut your argument of IU needing a big name coach by bringing up Northwestern. First of all, while Barnett and Walker brought NW out of the gutter and caught lightening in a bottle a few times, they only went to 5 bowl games in their cumulative 14 years - far from annually.
Then you have Fitz, who had a shorter resume than Tom Allen when hired. While he was sort of thrust into the position with Walker's death, NW could have easily replaced him after year 1.
I would argue that NW has become a more or less perennial bowl team predominantly through coaching stability by staying away from big splashy hires and finding guys that will stick around and try to build something, and then sticking by them even through some off years
Like you said IU football has been like this for over 50 years so why do you think it will ever change. If Urban Meyer is fired there is no way he should coach again and I would not want him here at IU. If we have an opening at IU in the near future I would bet that no big time coach will be taking over the job. Except for basketball and some of the Olympic sports IU will be a steeping stone job, just look at baseball.
Wilson is gone. Was he a big time hire you mention? How did he even the playing field exactly? It took him 5 years to reach a bowl. 5. Let that sink in. He eeked into 2 bowls his final two years and wouldn’t have done so in 2016 without a tremendous leap in defense.
We get it. You think Wilson was the next Vince Lombardi. He did some great stuff with the offense and never figured out defense. He didn’t have any real breakthrough wins. He had several clunkers. Stop comparing the coaches over and over. Allen had a couple games he should have won.
I do agree that this is a key year.
The only problem with this is that spousal /domestic abuse is strictly against the code of ethics and policies within the OSU athletic administration. Not only that, but it requires reporting of it within 5 days if made aware of it:
“Ohio State University’s policies require employees to report allegations of sexual misconduct — including relationship violence — within five working days of becoming aware of the allegations, said an attorney who practices in education law. When an employee of the university is faced with or becomes aware of a situation that potentially fits within the Title 9 parameters, or within the university policy, they are far better off to err on the side of reporting the information, the attorney said. Title 9 is a federal anti-sex discrimination statute.
Zack Smith’s ex-wife Courtney Smith told college football reporter Brett McMurphy Wednesday that she believed all of the OSU coaches’ wives knew of her ex-husband’s actions. Shelley Meyer, Urban's wife and a nursing instructor at Ohio State, was among the coaches' wives who knew of the incidents, Courtney Smith has said. Courtney Smith is not an Ohio State employee, and the alleged incidents did not happen on the OSU campus. A private company’s obligations in these situations depend on that company’s policies — and companies outline their own obligations. A public university is different — especially if it receives federal funds. Those universities have obligations under Title 9.
Reading directly from the university’s own policies, the attorney said: “It says at the top, ‘The university community seeks to eliminate sexual misconduct through education and by encouraging everyone to report concerns or complaints — including third-parties when the accused is a member of the university community.”
“Again, pretty clear,” the attorney added. “This includes relationship violence and domestic violence.”
Have you seen the interview with and photos from Zach Smith’s ex-wife? It’s multiple incidents of battery and bodily harm.
If you thought one of your employees was being physically assaulted outside the workplace, you have an obligation to report it. As a manager myself, I’ve had to report this very thing at least twice in my career. And, many victims of assault stay with or return to their partner even when the pattern doesn’t change.
Brohm is almost a sure thing now at purdue. If Petrino makes one false move this year L-ville will prolly back up the Brinks truck for Urban!
Well, either CTA will "break thru" this year or he won't..... and with his new emphasis on "finishing" games as well as on speed and playing more (fresh) guys, I suspect he WILL take IU to a bowl this year.....but we will see.....agree that IU has to start consistently beating PU, Maryland and Rutgers - plus an occasional Mich/Mich St & Iowa/NW &/or Neb/Ill etc. win to improve recruiting, etc...
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Didn't the FBI scare away the Brinks truck?Brohm is almost a sure thing now at purdue. If Petrino makes one false move this year L-ville will prolly back up the Brinks truck for Urban!
I expect Urb to stay at The OSU. And go to a major bowl again.
I will be watching the IU football game while standing in line for HH, only 6 weeks away! IU football I am hopeful, but realistic. I expect IU Basketball to be back into the NCAA Tournament. I expect IU football to not be bowl eligible again this season, I am hopeful, but realistic. I like Tom Allen, I hope he guides IU to a winning record and a bowl at the end of the season. But I liked Mike Davis too, but he took IU to the NCAA Championship game in Basketball and that still was not enough to keep his job. IU Football will likely never reach the NCAA Championship game in my lifetime without a coach that can transform the program with high level recruits. No risk. No reward. You get what you pay for. And you can't expect to compete at a high level without trying. Not hiring a high level coach is not trying to win. IU Football is a victim of low expectations. That said, Tom Crean should have never lasted 9 years at IU, without sustained NCAA Tournament success for a historically winning basketball program. But he at least did get the IU Basketball Team to #1 in the Polls during the regular season. How many times has IU Football been ranked in the Top 25 polls in the last 30 years?
I will be watching the IU football game while standing in line for HH, only 6 weeks away! IU football I am hopeful, but realistic. I expect IU Basketball to be back into the NCAA Tournament. I expect IU football to not be bowl eligible again this season, I am hopeful, but realistic. I like Tom Allen, I hope he guides IU to a winning record and a bowl at the end of the season. But I liked Mike Davis too, but he took IU to the NCAA Championship game in Basketball and that still was not enough to keep his job. IU Football will likely never reach the NCAA Championship game in my lifetime without a coach that can transform the program with high level recruits. No risk. No reward. You get what you pay for. And you can't expect to compete at a high level without trying. Not hiring a high level coach is not trying to win. IU Football is a victim of low expectations. That said, Tom Crean should have never lasted 9 years at IU, without sustained NCAA Tournament success for a historically winning basketball program. But he at least did get the IU Basketball Team to #1 in the Polls during the regular season. How many times has IU Football been ranked in the Top 25 polls in the last 30 years?
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