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I Need An Update on The 50 State Attacks

Things are moving into new areas, McMurtry. You should start being cautious in use of the monolithic "they."


i don't need cnn or twitter or rex chapman. you can go to the justice dept website and see every single charge filed. It’s amazing how often we hear link link link but rarely citations or links to actual first-party sources. in the end we'll see the dispositions and know.
 
i don't need cnn or twitter or rex chapman. you can go to the justice dept website and see every single charge filed. It’s amazing how often we hear link link link but rarely citations or links to actual first-party sources. in the end we'll see the dispositions and know.
What is the justice link? Sounds interesting. I've been looking at the FBI link, too.
 
What is the justice link? Sounds interesting. I've been looking at the FBI link, too.
here go to justice.gov/opa/investigations-regarding-violence-capitol
you can see charges, case status, and later you'll be able to see the dispositions
 
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It's urban sprawl, not far removed from the sticks. When you can leave the city limits and you're in a corn field, you're in the sticks.
We have a different definition of "the sticks".
I walk outside and can't see a neighboring home. To me that's "the sticks".
Carmel does not fit my definition.
 
Well now we know he hasn't been keeping up with news from the NW...😉

I guess I'm forgetting their approach to the rules though... It's not rioting if it's the Left doing it...🙄

The "zero tolerance" is for everyone they disagree with... 😞
You can't expect him to know anything about the rioting in Portland and Seattle. He and the other sheep only get their news from CNN and MSNBC.
 
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Drop someone in from NYC or LA and they'd think they were in the sticks.

C'mon, man - work with me here!

Carmel is what you call a suburb. NYC and LA are what people call cities. Carmel actually looks very similar to a lot of the suburbs around NYC or LA.

Hope this helps your confusion.
 
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Things are moving into new areas, McMurtry. You should start being cautious in use of the monolithic "they."



This is referring to the guy who brought the zip ties and his mother. I believe both were charged with "federal conspiracy"...

"Eric Munchel, the man known as the “zip tie guy” who was arrested with his mother after the Capitol attack, apparently stashed firearms outside before storming the building, Justice Department lawyers stated in a pretrial memo.

Munchel’s own cell phone, which was taped to his chest to record the attack, filmed a discussion about the weapons, according to the court filing.
Munchel, 30, and his 57-year-old mother, Lisa Eisenhart, were arrested in Nashville, Tennessee, this month after they were videotaped inside the breached Senate chamber on Jan. 6. Munchel, dressed in military fatigues, was photographed swinging zip ties, often used for hand restraints, as he jumped among the seats. Both Munchel and Eisenhart wore bulletproof vests. The court filing said Munchel carried a Taser in a holster on his hip.
The Justice Department memo filed Wednesday argued that the weapons discussed and a cache found in Munchel’s home demonstrate that he is a “serious danger to the community” and a flight risk, and should not be released on bail.
The memo didn’t specify what kind of weapons were allegedly stashed outside the Capitol during the attack. But the document listed 15 firearms that the FBI found in Munchel’s home later, including “assault rifles,” a “sniper rifle,” a “drum-style magazine” that can be used for rapid firing, and “hundreds of rounds of ammunition"


One of the 6 plotters facing possible life sentences in the plot to kidnap Whitmer is apparently ready to turn informant in exchange for a plea deal. Speculation he may provide a link to the plotters and the Capitol Riots. One of the 6 (Barry Croft) is also the head of the 3 percenters, who were definite participants in Jan 6 events...



And how about this juicy detail...
 
You can't expect him to know anything about the rioting in Portland and Seattle. He and the other sheep only get their news from CNN and MSNBC.

So the Left is rioting in Seattle, the Left and Right are fighting each other in Portland, and the Right is rioting in Salem (the Capital)...Were you aware of all that?

 
Carmel is what you call a suburb. NYC and LA are what people call cities. Carmel actually looks very similar to a lot of the suburbs around NYC or LA.

Hope this helps your confusion.
Sure, because a suburb of Indianapolis is just like a suburb of LA and NYC.

This provincialism amuses me.
 
So the Left is rioting in Seattle, the Left and Right are fighting each other in Portland, and the Right is rioting in Salem (the Capital)...Were you aware of all that?

No, because there has been no rioting in Salem. Your linked article has no instances of rioting - only that they're 'preparing'. Kind of like all the unnecessary preparation for the inauguration.

You guys are bad at actual reading.
 
This is referring to the guy who brought the zip ties and his mother. I believe both were charged with "federal conspiracy"...

"Eric Munchel, the man known as the “zip tie guy” who was arrested with his mother after the Capitol attack, apparently stashed firearms outside before storming the building, Justice Department lawyers stated in a pretrial memo.

Munchel’s own cell phone, which was taped to his chest to record the attack, filmed a discussion about the weapons, according to the court filing.
Munchel, 30, and his 57-year-old mother, Lisa Eisenhart, were arrested in Nashville, Tennessee, this month after they were videotaped inside the breached Senate chamber on Jan. 6. Munchel, dressed in military fatigues, was photographed swinging zip ties, often used for hand restraints, as he jumped among the seats. Both Munchel and Eisenhart wore bulletproof vests. The court filing said Munchel carried a Taser in a holster on his hip.
The Justice Department memo filed Wednesday argued that the weapons discussed and a cache found in Munchel’s home demonstrate that he is a “serious danger to the community” and a flight risk, and should not be released on bail.
The memo didn’t specify what kind of weapons were allegedly stashed outside the Capitol during the attack. But the document listed 15 firearms that the FBI found in Munchel’s home later, including “assault rifles,” a “sniper rifle,” a “drum-style magazine” that can be used for rapid firing, and “hundreds of rounds of ammunition"


One of the 6 plotters facing possible life sentences in the plot to kidnap Whitmer is apparently ready to turn informant in exchange for a plea deal. Speculation he may provide a link to the plotters and the Capitol Riots. One of the 6 (Barry Croft) is also the head of the 3 percenters, who were definite participants in Jan 6 events...



And how about this juicy detail...
""Eric Munchel, the man known as the “zip tie guy” who was arrested with his mother after the Capitol attack, apparently stashed firearms outside before storming the building, Justice Department lawyers stated in a pretrial memo."

He's so dangerous he left his firearms outside before he went into the building.

Sounds like he was really serious..... lmao
 
Policing like all professions can be improved and should continually strive to do so. The evidence that their use of force is racially discriminatory is pretty scant, which made the racial implications of the protests a non starter. Add in that they were based on flawed examples like Breonna Taylor and George Floyd and you lose people that might be sympathetic to your cause.

As to gentrification/ revitalization. When those things take hold the majority of people in those communities will be lifted economically. Some will be priced out and I don't think that is necessarily an inherently bad thing. There seems to be a Democratic vision of utopia where all people live in middle class or wealthy communities. Utopia can never be achieved under a capitalist system but capitalism can get us closer than just about any other method.

There will always be those on the lower end of the economic spectrum and we shouldn't try to fight against that reality, it's a path to hell. The best we can do is try to make sure they live without fear of violence and provide equal opportunity for advancement. It often requires generational sacrifice to try and help your kids and grand kids be better off than you were, there is nothing more noble or quintessentially American than that.

I'm with you on Breonna Taylor. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. George Floyd, that's ridiculous. To plant your knee on a suspect's neck for eight minutes is assault, and regardless of cause of death, it's manslaughter and should've been treated as such.

Jacob Blake's situation was also ridiculous. The officer followed him around the car and didn't physically engage with him until he opened the car door, despite telling him several times to stop. If rules of engagement were followed strictly, those should be changed, especially if opening the car door officially escalates the situation, even more so if that person has a warrant on him. There was zero need to let it get to the point of shooting him in the back...seven times. Once in the leg. If he doesn't stop or go down, again in the leg.


Poor policing in Floyd and Blake's situations. Utter failure.

If anyone sides with the police on those two, they're just going to side with the police no matter what, until it's someone they care about or identify with.

The use of force, however, isn't solely the issue. It's the consequences for abuse of force.


Your view on gentrification isn't reflecting reality. Sure, it helps the neighborhood and those who can afford to live there. It might be easy for you to dismiss displacing families, but it creates a lot of problems. It is necessarily a bad thing for those families. People are forced to moved either farther away from jobs, making those jobs more difficult to continue, or they're forced to move into housing they struggle to afford.

That's not good.

There is no "Democratic utopian". It's silly to make it binary. It's silly to embellish a perspective different from yours. It may not be a racial issue to you, but it impacts areas that are much more diverse. Gentrification programs need to be more abiding to those who currently live there, especially when it's government funding going to these projects.

If you want to make it binary, then we can say there is a "Republican utopian" that allows people to draw federal and state funding, displacing people who are living within their means, while profiting. While I don't blame it on binary forces, in too many instances, that's what's happening.
 
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I'm with you on Breonna Taylor. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. George Floyd, that's ridiculous. To plant your knee on a suspect's neck for eight minutes is assault, and regardless of cause of death, it's manslaughter and should've been treated as such.

Jacob Blake's situation was also ridiculous. The officer followed him around the car and didn't physically engage with him until he opened the car door, despite telling him several times to stop. If rules of engagement were followed strictly, those should be changed, especially if opening the car door officially escalates the situation, even more so if that person has a warrant on him. There was zero need to let it get to the point of shooting him in the back...seven times. Once in the leg. If he doesn't stop or go down, again in the leg.


Poor policing in Floyd and Blake's situations. Utter failure.

If anyone sides with the police on those two, they're just going to side with the police no matter what, until it's someone they care about or identify with.

The use of force, however, isn't solely the issue. It's the consequences for abuse of force.


Your view on gentrification isn't reflecting reality. Sure, it helps the neighborhood and those who can afford to live there. It might be easy for you to dismiss displacing families, but it creates a lot of problems. It is necessarily a bad thing for those families. People are forced to moved either farther away from jobs, making those jobs more difficult to continue, or they're forced to move into housing they struggle to afford.

That's not good.

There is no "Democratic utopian". It's silly to make it binary. It's silly to embellish a perspective different from yours. It may not be a racial issue to you, but it impacts areas that are much more diverse. Gentrification programs need to be more abiding to those who currently live there, especially when it's government funding going to these projects.

If you want to make it binary, then we can say there is a "Republican utopian" that allows people to draw federal and state funding, displacing people who are living within their means, while profiting. While I don't blame it on binary forces, in too many instances, that's what's happening.
If anyone sides with the police on these two....

What an incredibly inaccurate & stupid thing to say.
 
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