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How the conservative blogosphere spreads lies

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I recently had come across my Facebook feed this interesting "breaking news" item claiming that Egypt had charged Obama and Hillary Clinton with war crimes.

The Conservative Tribune is one of many right wing blogs that makes its living off people mistaking it for real journalism and sharing its posts on social media. And judging by the activity on my Facebook, there are a lot of people making this mistake.

Here's the thing, though. If you take the time to trace the story back to it's roots, something fascinating occurs. You find that the CT claim that Egypt charged Obama with war crimes was backed by a link to the Western Journalism Center, which claimed, not that Egypt had charged Obama with anything, but that Egyptian lawmakers had charged him.

This, in turn, is sourced by an article on an anti-Muslim CBN blog which claims that a group of Egyptian lawyers had actually made the accusation, in a complaint filed with the International Criminal Court.

The writer on CBN has a single source, an article in an Egyptian newspaper which states that a single lawyer claimed to have submitted to the ICC the charges. This single lawyer, FWIW, was on Mubarak's defense team, and the ICC never acknowledged receiving the communication - and also would not have jurisdiction, at any rate.

Now this stuff all happened a year ago. I don't know when the CT first published their post, but it's making the rounds now as if it's new (the CT purposefully leaves dates off its posts). That isn't the part that interests me, though. It's that a single newspaper in Giza can publish an unsubstantiated claim about a law professor accusing Obama of war crimes, and in three short steps among conservative "writers," it transforms into the Egyptian nation charging him.

At any rate, I offer this simply as an example of how these sites do business. They spread baseless rumor and make up lies simply to attract the kind of outrage that causes gullible people to share their posts on social media, which results in more page visits and more ad revenue. If you tend to read the CT or WJC or anything else like it, you should know what you're getting into.

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Of course

There are no liberal blogs posting equally egregious lies. What a waste of bandwidth.
 
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Yes there are sites that people believe because it's what they want

To believe. I've got a friend that thinks everything foxnews says is true, I just let him have his say, but laugh it off. To try and say a site that I'm guessing most people have never heard of is expressing conservative views is just BS.
 
You aren't that naive are you?

People with an agenda publishing blogs that fit said agenda?
 
CBS and NBC for openers

CBS for the fake GWB national guard story and an NBC affiliated station for the faked George Zimmerman audio.
 
The CBS thing was different.

That was egregious, yes, but it was an example of a media organization failing to do due diligence. I'm talking about organizations that simply create flat out falsehoods or at least purposefully misrepresent the facts.

From what I know of the NBC thing, that's a good example of liberals committing the same sin. There was no excuse for that.

goat
 
NBC and igniters on gas tanks to fake a story on danger to consumers.

NBC execs should have done time over that political stunt.
 
Look at How Much Work, Time and Money CBS Put Into That

then ask if you can reasonably conclude they merely failed to perform due diligence.
At the end.
On the most important part.


Or......
They started with a goal.
They went where the goal took them.
They knew they were lying.

They were birther bad.
 
What I don't understand is...

Someone's critical towards mainstream news, yet they blindly accept some chain e-mail, dubious blog site, talk radio personality or TV network that they like as telling "the truth".

You would think they would apply those same standards towards every source of information they're consuming. To be fair, I know some people who watch Fox News who do, but a lot of folks seemingly don't.

This post was edited on 11/10 9:38 AM by Fro
 
My general take on this...

...is that people who hold strong political opinions tend to be hyper-sensitive to media bias (or outright malfeasance, as the case maybe) that they perceive as going against those opinions...and hyper-reluctant to spot or identify that which might be perceived as favoring those opinions.

Personally, I don't necessarily have a problem with media bias....so long as it's not presented as being objective (which it almost always is...even if it usually isn't). I'm quick to give points to those who really do try to be objective. But I think I'd rather they just be honest and open about their preferences and perspectives.

Of course, rank dishonesty is more than just bias. And that should never be acceptable, whether the liars are open about their biases or not.
 
To this day, Dan Rather...

...has yet to concede that the fake document was fake. I believe him when he says that -- which would mean that he suffers from a degree of denial that approaches pathological.
 
That's a good take.

I think I agree.

I would add to that the idea that the Dan Rather fiasco occupied a third option. CBS was guilty of media bias, but not "rank dishonesty." However, their eagerness to report the story made them willing participants of someone else's "rank dishonesty." It makes for a good example of how simple bias can snowball into something worse.

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That's kinda what Don Hewitt suggested.

When this was all going on, the CBS News brass reportedly held a big pow-wow to discuss it. Hewitt was among those at the meeting. And he is said to have asked a very provocative rhetorical question: if the subject of this story had been John Kerry rather than George W. Bush, would they have aired it with what they had?

If that's true, then I suspect that Hewitt wasn't so much asking a question as demonstrating a point: that they probably went to air with the story without doing much in the way of verifying the authenticity of that document because they wanted the story to be true and, thus, wanted the document they were given to be the smoking gun. In fact, the story itself may well have been true...regardless of the forged document. But it ended up backfiring on them in a big way.

So, yeah, I don't think CBS (or Rather, Mapes, etal) knowingly aired that forged document. But I strongly doubt they would've been quite so trusting in their sources had the subject of such a story been a liberal/Democrat rather than the despised George W. Bush.

And, yes, this does happen on both sides. Just the other day, Breitbart reported that Loretta Lynch represented the Clintons in the Whitewater affair. Turns out, a lady named Loretta Lynch did, in fact, represent the Clintons in Whitewater...just not the one that was nominated for Attorney General.

The problem here is that Breitbart's mission wasn't so much to report news about Ms. Lynch, but to dig up and report potentially damaging news about her. And that zeal led to a kind of sloppiness that almost certainly wouldn't have happened had it been a Republican nominee -- because they never would've sought out such information to begin with.
 
Well, see below.

I think I might offer one possible explanation.

It's been kind of fascinating for me to watch the emergence of Fox News in the past 20 or so years. To most engaged liberals, FNC is a lying right-wing propaganda outlet. To most engaged conservatives, it lives up to its billing as being "fair and balanced."

I think both those takes are wrong. I just think it's a right-leaning media outlet -- in that it's going to favor takes which are supportive of conservative causes and hostile to liberal causes. If the folks at Fox are actually serious about the "fair and balanced" thing, then they suffer from the same delusion as people at other (mostly left-learning) media outlets....pretty much all of whom, along with Fox, claim objectivity with a straight face.

This doesn't necessarily make any of them dishonest. Bias and dishonesty are related, but they're ultimately two different things. A story can be entirely factual and still be biased in its language or framing, choice of sources and quotes, what it leaves out, etc.

I suspect that most liberals don't have a hard time seeing this when it comes to conservatives being duped by fake or embellished stories that validate what they believe. But, you know, it wasn't that long ago that a number of my liberal friends on Facebook were passing around a bogus story about Rick Santorum and gay porn (if I recall).

The story was believable to them, and didn't set off their BS meters, because it validated their worst suspicions about Rick Santorum and people like him.

Ultimately, this comes down to people confusing a keen nose for news with a desperate thirst for validation.
This post was edited on 11/10 5:04 PM by crazed_hoosier2
 
Laura Logan and Benghazi

I was thinking wasn't she and her producer suspended for mistakes on their Benghazi report on 60 Minutes? It CAN happen both ways.
 
Re: Well, see below.


Originally posted by crazed_hoosier2:
A story can be entirely factual and still be biased in its language or framing, choice of sources and quotes, what it leaves out, etc.


This post was edited on 11/10 5:04 PM by crazed_hoosier2
I think this is where most of the biases occur in the media. They tell part of the story or tell it out of context.

People (both conservatives and liberals) forward emails that make the people they don't like look bad without ever checking anything out. Some of my family is conservative and some are liberal. I now get emails (false) about Obama but when Bush was in office I got false emails from the liberal side of my family. I've always thought there were enough facts out there to make most politicians look bad so why forward false stuff.
 
Crazed, You sort of dodged Fro's question...

...which was,

Why does someone critical towards mainstream news,
blindly accept some chain e-mail, dubious blog site, talk radio
personality or TV network?

I've got several friends and relatives who don't have time for mainstream news but fall hook line and sinker for dubious e-mails.

Vertical news sources aren't trusted while horizontal sources including social websites are deemed reliable.
 
I didn't mean to

I would say that people -- particularly those who are passionate about their worldview -- tend to be susceptible to swallowing whole any information (or misinformation, as the case may be) that validates those world-views and wary of those which do not.
 
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