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In a spirit of NOT trying to be truly respectful to Glass/Wilson, would love to hear them address the following:

-Why in year 5 of the program are we still playing Fr/So in the backfield? While I do think they are potentially going to be good in the future (good size, athleticism) - shouldn't we have built better depth prior to now?

-Are you confident that among: Zander D, Cameron, Austin King or the recruit Peyton from Cinci, that there is a B10 quality level, strong starting QB candidate for next year?

-What is your honest assessment of why the IU D has continually been literally among the bottom 10 in D1 for about the last 4 years? Is it coaching? Talent? Scheme?

-When coach Wilson started, what was a potentially mutually agreed upon baseline AD/Coach felt IU should be in terms of total wins per season? # wins in Big Ten? Bowl eligibility? By the end of season 5?

-Seemingly our starting QB, RB & O-Line are legit B10 quality. Still might question the talent/skill/depth of our current WR crew. On D, the LB's seem legit, but the overall youth or B10 quality talent level might be questioned on the D-Line & DBs. and overall WR talent. Also don't give highest marks to P or K level we've had last few years. Would you agree with that assessment?

-Last few weeks there has been talk about "saw guys smiling, getting a little cocky" - Q: how could that possibly happen with a team that hasn't been to a bowl game in over 10 yrs? What's coaches role there?

-How would you guys address the Rutgers meltdown of blowing 25 pt lead at home, knowing you were 2 games from being bowl eligible? Is there a problem with not knowing how to win? Put teams away?

-Do you think it is unusual to give up so many big plays, i.e 50+ yard TD plays, in games when if you take these huge plays out of the equation, the D has actually played a fairly good game overall?

How do you feel the overall brand of the football program is at this exact moment? Does it truly look like a team strongly on the rise? or is it closer to "has some talent, but they are 6-6, 7-4 at absolute best IF things go there way?

I believe there are many fans who so want IU to be successful and feel like probably 2-3 season over last 4-5 yrs have been lost to a drop pass here, an injury there, a bad call, etc. i.e. excuses in the end, but also truly missed opportunities to turn the corner into at least a bowl eligible regular, and then build from there. Right now to me it feels very 4-7, hard to see the light at end of tunnel, slipping backwards versus TRULY showing great progress moving forward.

As I write that, I 100% acknowledge that we've played OSU/MSU pretty tough this year. But I also think both games were winnable if they had been able to stop giving up huge plays. And certainly a game like Rutgers was beyond winnable and just seemed like throwing away their ability to close/execute.

So want to be supportive. Hate to think another carousel coaching change is needed, but when you read about other programs turning around (hear coach at Memphis, Clemson are hot) and it obviously has happened at other places, if a change were made after this season, I really don't feel like giving someone 5 years, even at IU, is out of line to make a change if you go 4-0 and then potentially end up 4-8 or 5-7.

Good luck IU
 
In a spirit of NOT trying to be truly respectful to Glass/Wilson, would love to hear them address the following:

-Why in year 5 of the program are we still playing Fr/So in the backfield? While I do think they are potentially going to be good in the future (good size, athleticism) - shouldn't we have built better depth prior to now?

-Are you confident that among: Zander D, Cameron, Austin King or the recruit Peyton from Cinci, that there is a B10 quality level, strong starting QB candidate for next year?

-What is your honest assessment of why the IU D has continually been literally among the bottom 10 in D1 for about the last 4 years? Is it coaching? Talent? Scheme?

-When coach Wilson started, what was a potentially mutually agreed upon baseline AD/Coach felt IU should be in terms of total wins per season? # wins in Big Ten? Bowl eligibility? By the end of season 5?

-Seemingly our starting QB, RB & O-Line are legit B10 quality. Still might question the talent/skill/depth of our current WR crew. On D, the LB's seem legit, but the overall youth or B10 quality talent level might be questioned on the D-Line & DBs. and overall WR talent. Also don't give highest marks to P or K level we've had last few years. Would you agree with that assessment?

-Last few weeks there has been talk about "saw guys smiling, getting a little cocky" - Q: how could that possibly happen with a team that hasn't been to a bowl game in over 10 yrs? What's coaches role there?

-How would you guys address the Rutgers meltdown of blowing 25 pt lead at home, knowing you were 2 games from being bowl eligible? Is there a problem with not knowing how to win? Put teams away?

-Do you think it is unusual to give up so many big plays, i.e 50+ yard TD plays, in games when if you take these huge plays out of the equation, the D has actually played a fairly good game overall?

How do you feel the overall brand of the football program is at this exact moment? Does it truly look like a team strongly on the rise? or is it closer to "has some talent, but they are 6-6, 7-4 at absolute best IF things go there way?

I believe there are many fans who so want IU to be successful and feel like probably 2-3 season over last 4-5 yrs have been lost to a drop pass here, an injury there, a bad call, etc. i.e. excuses in the end, but also truly missed opportunities to turn the corner into at least a bowl eligible regular, and then build from there. Right now to me it feels very 4-7, hard to see the light at end of tunnel, slipping backwards versus TRULY showing great progress moving forward.

As I write that, I 100% acknowledge that we've played OSU/MSU pretty tough this year. But I also think both games were winnable if they had been able to stop giving up huge plays. And certainly a game like Rutgers was beyond winnable and just seemed like throwing away their ability to close/execute.

So want to be supportive. Hate to think another carousel coaching change is needed, but when you read about other programs turning around (hear coach at Memphis, Clemson are hot) and it obviously has happened at other places, if a change were made after this season, I really don't feel like giving someone 5 years, even at IU, is out of line to make a change if you go 4-0 and then potentially end up 4-8 or 5-7.

Good luck IU

**I did mean to start this off by saying: Truly want to BE respectful to the two, not the opposite!
 
As to why we have freshmen over juniors/ seniors.
Plan and simple the freshman are better players at this point.
This trend will continue to some degree if our recruiting classes continue to improve and we continue to get better athletes.
 
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If Wilson hasn't gotten it done by now, he's not going to get it done. So far in over his head it ain't funny. His teams self implode throughout his tenure.
If you told anyone on this board that Wilson would start this year at 4-0 and then completely lose the team and go 0-8 for the balance, how many of you would be talking extension? I think the majority opinion was that this year, the guy had to get to 6 wins. Now, everyone is talking like he needs another 3?
Good coaching could do something with this team. I bet if you put a Mark Dantonio on our sidelines with this same bunch, you'd see at least 1-2 more wins right now.....just this year.

Wilson has had ample time to make minimal improvement but his management of this team blows. People don't want turnover in coaching. Fine. However, think about the coaching hires:

Cameron - no head coaching experience and a hodge podge of staff.
Dinardo - complete retread who failed at a football factory LSU.
Hep - Not enough time.
Lynch - retread, see Dinardo.
Wilson - see Cameron.

I get that people are concerned with turnover but look at this examples above. They are failures because they share common profiles. They are retread or newbies. Maybe the next venture should be a coach with actual head coaching experience not at the end of his shelf life?
 
I'm on the fence on replacing CKW, having said that, there is no doubt that poor coaching has cost us a few games in the last 5 years. The best reason not to spin the revolving door now imo is how much is FG willing to spend on the next coach and will he be able to get a solid hire. I question if he will be willing to spend the amount required and if he does, make the right decision to get a true upgrade. It may become obvious at the end of the season to extend or fire CKW, i'm willing to let it play out until after the bucket game.
 
I'm on the fence on replacing CKW, having said that, there is no doubt that poor coaching has cost us a few games in the last 5 years. The best reason not to spin the revolving door now imo is how much is FG willing to spend on the next coach and will he be able to get a solid hire. I question if he will be willing to spend the amount required and if he does, make the right decision to get a true upgrade. It may become obvious at the end of the season to extend or fire CKW, i'm willing to let it play out until after the bucket game.
You honestly think Glass decides how much to pay a coach???? OMG!
 
If Wilson hasn't gotten it done by now, he's not going to get it done. So far in over his head it ain't funny. His teams self implode throughout his tenure.
If you told anyone on this board that Wilson would start this year at 4-0 and then completely lose the team and go 0-8 for the balance, how many of you would be talking extension? I think the majority opinion was that this year, the guy had to get to 6 wins. Now, everyone is talking like he needs another 3?
Good coaching could do something with this team. I bet if you put a Mark Dantonio on our sidelines with this same bunch, you'd see at least 1-2 more wins right now.....just this year.

Wilson has had ample time to make minimal improvement but his management of this team blows. People don't want turnover in coaching. Fine. However, think about the coaching hires:

Cameron - no head coaching experience and a hodge podge of staff.
Dinardo - complete retread who failed at a football factory LSU.
Hep - Not enough time.
Lynch - retread, see Dinardo.
Wilson - see Cameron.

I get that people are concerned with turnover but look at this examples above. They are failures because they share common profiles. They are retread or newbies. Maybe the next venture should be a coach with actual head coaching experience not at the end of his shelf life?
I agree about what qualities an IU HC should have. But Wilson now has five years as a HC and that's too much investment to throw away. If you can't see the progress I'm no longer going to try to show you...because you don't want to see it. You vitriol against Wilson has become personal and not logical. Wise man say never argue with fool...listener can't tell which one is bigger fool.

Think what you will...Wilson is going no where...not until his contract is up. Period...and I'm glad. Changing coaches will not change FB at IU. The problem lies elsewhere...imo.
 
If Wilson hasn't gotten it done by now, he's not going to get it done. So far in over his head it ain't funny. His teams self implode throughout his tenure.
If you told anyone on this board that Wilson would start this year at 4-0 and then completely lose the team and go 0-8 for the balance, how many of you would be talking extension? I think the majority opinion was that this year, the guy had to get to 6 wins. Now, everyone is talking like he needs another 3?
Good coaching could do something with this team. I bet if you put a Mark Dantonio on our sidelines with this same bunch, you'd see at least 1-2 more wins right now.....just this year.

Wilson has had ample time to make minimal improvement but his management of this team blows. People don't want turnover in coaching. Fine. However, think about the coaching hires:

Cameron - no head coaching experience and a hodge podge of staff.
Dinardo - complete retread who failed at a football factory LSU.
Hep - Not enough time.
Lynch - retread, see Dinardo.
Wilson - see Cameron.

I get that people are concerned with turnover but look at this examples above. They are failures because they share common profiles. They are retread or newbies. Maybe the next venture should be a coach with actual head coaching experience not at the end of his shelf life?
Perhaps Cam should have been given more time too. He might even still be here. He's still coaching last time I checked-so he must be good at it.
 
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Perhaps Cam should have been given more time too. He might even still be here. He's still coaching last time I checked-so he must be good at it.
You know I feel exactly the same way. I never liked Cam as he was very arrogant with he got here. Many players resented his obsession with ARE, but after his team meeting midseason that last year, things changed and I think he finally got it. But fans and boosters were clamoring for his head so they fired him. I was very angry because I think it was clear he was ready for the next step. One more coaching blunder by IUs board of directors. They have always micromanaged our sports programs to death...kept RMK wayyyy too long, hired the wrong coaches to replace him, and wouldn't know a good FB hire if it bit them. Glass has had more autonomy than previous ADs, but not much. Why is IU consistently bad in FB? Look and you'll find the answer buried in our history. They have been consistently a day late and a dollar short in every decision they've made about all. IUs sports. And here we are again...thinking the AD has the power. What a joke! Remember, at one time the ADs job here was a mere figurehead. For more than a quarter of a century that power was claimed solely by RMK, one more wound he left of with. Of course, board members were big BB fans, and Knight sycophants. Sorry...I digress.. Vbg!
 
You honestly think Glass decides how much to pay a coach???? OMG!
I will say that I think FG would be able to negotiate the coaches salary and he isn't told by the president or bot how much he can spend on a coach, so yes, if he stays within budget the salary is his call.
 
I will say that I think FG would be able to negotiate the coaches salary and he isn't told by the president or bot how much he can spend on a coach, so yes, if he stays within budget the salary is his call.
I do agree he does the negotiating...but must take his selection before them for approval... This is how its done at IU. I didn't make it up...vbg...and have you ever worked under a business budget? Your top limit is set by what the board determines...I've been through this process for years....no one has an open check book. Our boosters are good but not fools either. We could have gone after marquee HC when Mallory was fired, while our rep was still salvageable. Why didn't we? They got Cam cheap...everyone they've hired they've gotten cheap. Think that's an accident?? Nope...it's a trend, a way of life at IU.
 
I agree about what qualities an IU HC should have. But Wilson now has five years as a HC and that's too much investment to throw away. If you can't see the progress I'm no longer going to try to show you...because you don't want to see it. You vitriol against Wilson has become personal and not logical. Wise man say never argue with fool...listener can't tell which one is bigger fool.

Think what you will...Wilson is going no where...not until his contract is up. Period...and I'm glad. Changing coaches will not change FB at IU. The problem lies elsewhere...imo.

I have seen the upgrades that we have made in talent, most people will agree on that, what I have not seen is an ability to finish games, I have not seen an ability to manage a game/clock, I have not seen the ability to have the team consistently read to play for 60 minutes every game out.

We routinely have lost games that we should win because of poor decisions made by the coaches, or by just not coming out ready to play and that falls on the staff. After 5 years I have not seen an increase in the ability to do those things. Those are the reasons I think a change is needed, and like I mentioned before on a different thread, if we have the best talent we have had here in a long time based on the kids we have recruited, why to we feel an upgrade at the HC position will send us backwards? If we get someone who will not make the big mistake, give the D help with play calling and not keep them on the field, work the clock a little with the lead, etc and get to a bowl game, why do we think recruiting will drop off?
 
I have seen the upgrades that we have made in talent, most people will agree on that, what I have not seen is an ability to finish games, I have not seen an ability to manage a game/clock, I have not seen the ability to have the team consistently read to play for 60 minutes every game out.

We routinely have lost games that we should win because of poor decisions made by the coaches, or by just not coming out ready to play and that falls on the staff. After 5 years I have not seen an increase in the ability to do those things. Those are the reasons I think a change is needed, and like I mentioned before on a different thread, if we have the best talent we have had here in a long time based on the kids we have recruited, why to we feel an upgrade at the HC position will send us backwards? If we get someone who will not make the big mistake, give the D help with play calling and not keep them on the field, work the clock a little with the lead, etc and get to a bowl game, why do we think recruiting will drop off?

Thanks Kevin Wilson for assembling some good young players on D. Now it's time to get an up and coming coach with a track record in a lower level who can take this D to an elite level.
 
Who does decide?
Geeesh, who do you think? Do you think IU has an unlimited budget? Our sports programs must pay for themselves. Cuban did not leave his checkbook behind. Lol. We are a state school with modest booster support for FB. Where do you think the money comes from? I donate because my wife, son and I are alumni. I held season tickets until my health failed. Old man Cook is gone. His last gift, Crean's contract. I wish it wasn't so, but why do you think our football complex was the worst in the B10 for so long?
 
Geeesh, who do you think? Do you think IU has an unlimited budget? Our sports programs must pay for themselves. Cuban did not leave his checkbook behind. Lol. We are a state school with modest booster support for FB. Where do you think the money comes from? I donate because my wife, son and I are alumni. I held season tickets until my health failed. Old man Cook is gone. His last gift, Crean's contract. I wish it wasn't so, but why do you think our football complex was the worst in the B10 for so long?
The question was WHO does decide where to spend those limited
funds you speak of?
 
Thanks Kevin Wilson for assembling some good young players on D. Now it's time to get an up and coming coach with a track record in a lower level who can take this D to an elite level.

Exactly. Here where we are in his 5 years

Year 1 Ranked 114th(out of 120) in scoring D, 37.3 ppg
Year 2 Ranked 104/124 in Scoring D, 35.3
Year 3 Ranked 117/126 in scoring D, 38.8
Year 4 Ranked 102/128 in scoring D, 32.8 ppg
Year 5 Ranked 114/128 in scoring D, 37.3 ppg

I think most would agree that on paper this is our most talented collection of players on D, yet we are ranked right where we were in year 1 and giving up the same amount of points. I would like to say that that number will come down with who we have left on the schedule, but not positive about that!

So yes, has acquired talent but shown an ability to coach it up in any way shape or form
 
I agree about what qualities an IU HC should have. But Wilson now has five years as a HC and that's too much investment to throw away. If you can't see the progress I'm no longer going to try to show you...because you don't want to see it. You vitriol against Wilson has become personal and not logical. Wise man say never argue with fool...listener can't tell which one is bigger fool.

Think what you will...Wilson is going no where...not until his contract is up. Period...and I'm glad. Changing coaches will not change FB at IU. The problem lies elsewhere...imo.

So when someone doesn't agree with your opinion they are a fool? Poor baby! Don't cry.
 
You know I feel exactly the same way. I never liked Cam as he was very arrogant with he got here. Many players resented his obsession with ARE, but after his team meeting midseason that last year, things changed and I think he finally got it. But fans and boosters were clamoring for his head so they fired him. I was very angry because I think it was clear he was ready for the next step. One more coaching blunder by IUs board of directors. They have always micromanaged our sports programs to death...kept RMK wayyyy too long, hired the wrong coaches to replace him, and wouldn't know a good FB hire if it bit them. Glass has had more autonomy than previous ADs, but not much. Why is IU consistently bad in FB? Look and you'll find the answer buried in our history. They have been consistently a day late and a dollar short in every decision they've made about all. IUs sports. And here we are again...thinking the AD has the power. What a joke! Remember, at one time the ADs job here was a mere figurehead. For more than a quarter of a century that power was claimed solely by RMK, one more wound he left of with. Of course, board members were big BB fans, and Knight sycophants. Sorry...I digress.. Vbg!
The Trustees didn't fire Cam. Yes, they approve coaching salaries, just like nearly every university's BOT do. Ius approach is hardly unique.
 
The Trustees didn't fire Cam. Yes, they approve coaching salaries, just like nearly every university's BOT do. Ius approach is hardly unique.
Didn't say they did just set parameters for a hire. AD does the rest. We were just talking about how much we can offer, no more.
 
Didn't say they did just set parameters for a hire. AD does the rest. We were just talking about how much we can offer, no more.
They don't do that, either. They give their blessing to deals, but any AD at any school wires things in a way that makes their approval a formality.
 
In a spirit of NOT trying to be truly respectful to Glass/Wilson, would love to hear them address the following:

-Why in year 5 of the program are we still playing Fr/So in the backfield? While I do think they are potentially going to be good in the future (good size, athleticism) - shouldn't we have built better depth prior to now?

-Are you confident that among: Zander D, Cameron, Austin King or the recruit Peyton from Cinci, that there is a B10 quality level, strong starting QB candidate for next year?

-What is your honest assessment of why the IU D has continually been literally among the bottom 10 in D1 for about the last 4 years? Is it coaching? Talent? Scheme?

-When coach Wilson started, what was a potentially mutually agreed upon baseline AD/Coach felt IU should be in terms of total wins per season? # wins in Big Ten? Bowl eligibility? By the end of season 5?

-Seemingly our starting QB, RB & O-Line are legit B10 quality. Still might question the talent/skill/depth of our current WR crew. On D, the LB's seem legit, but the overall youth or B10 quality talent level might be questioned on the D-Line & DBs. and overall WR talent. Also don't give highest marks to P or K level we've had last few years. Would you agree with that assessment?

-Last few weeks there has been talk about "saw guys smiling, getting a little cocky" - Q: how could that possibly happen with a team that hasn't been to a bowl game in over 10 yrs? What's coaches role there?

-How would you guys address the Rutgers meltdown of blowing 25 pt lead at home, knowing you were 2 games from being bowl eligible? Is there a problem with not knowing how to win? Put teams away?

-Do you think it is unusual to give up so many big plays, i.e 50+ yard TD plays, in games when if you take these huge plays out of the equation, the D has actually played a fairly good game overall?

How do you feel the overall brand of the football program is at this exact moment? Does it truly look like a team strongly on the rise? or is it closer to "has some talent, but they are 6-6, 7-4 at absolute best IF things go there way?

I believe there are many fans who so want IU to be successful and feel like probably 2-3 season over last 4-5 yrs have been lost to a drop pass here, an injury there, a bad call, etc. i.e. excuses in the end, but also truly missed opportunities to turn the corner into at least a bowl eligible regular, and then build from there. Right now to me it feels very 4-7, hard to see the light at end of tunnel, slipping backwards versus TRULY showing great progress moving forward.

As I write that, I 100% acknowledge that we've played OSU/MSU pretty tough this year. But I also think both games were winnable if they had been able to stop giving up huge plays. And certainly a game like Rutgers was beyond winnable and just seemed like throwing away their ability to close/execute.

So want to be supportive. Hate to think another carousel coaching change is needed, but when you read about other programs turning around (hear coach at Memphis, Clemson are hot) and it obviously has happened at other places, if a change were made after this season, I really don't feel like giving someone 5 years, even at IU, is out of line to make a change if you go 4-0 and then potentially end up 4-8 or 5-7.

Good luck IU
1. Because the FR/SO are better and more athletic. That's the goal of recruiting. You are about to get better players as you build your program and win.

2. I'm not confident at all. If Howard stays and we don't get a JUCO, I think Ramsey starts next season. QB will keep us a 4 to 5 win team next season.

3. Our D isn't as bad as some believe. We play a style on offense that means the D is on the field a lot and we will give up points. The design is the offense needs to score every time they have the ball. The D's design is to slow another offense down but not completely stop them. We do give up too many big plays, and we miss tackles, but you have to understand the concepts of what we are trying to force the opponent to do. Not stop them, just contain them and make them make mistakes.

4. In rebuilds such as IU, it literally takes 5 to 7 years. The rule of thumb is if you hire someone with HC experience, you'll know what you have in 3 years. If you hire a raw coordinator with no HC experience, you'll know what you have in 5 years. I think CKW wanted to be bowling by year 3 and we would have had Roberson not gotten hurt. We probably bowl last season if Sudfeld hadn't gotten hurt, and we shall see what Sudfeld's/Howard's injuries cost us this year.

5. Roster management has been a HUGE issue for Wilson and it's leading to his downfall quickly. Transfers and injuries happen, but certain positions are just killing us. Wilson can't seem to put it all together and have the depth yet. Last year it was WR. This year DB. Next year QB. And they are all costing us. We are pretty deep with Big Ten Quality talent most places. Still need help at RB. And really need help at QB.

6. I don't mind swag, if you EARN it. I like edginess. We are a confident team for 3 quarters, but game management causes many issues late. I've long since believe that good coaches figure out a way to win games in the 4th quarter. They've set up their opponents all game long with play calling and they pounce in that final 12 minutes. Our coaches haven't gotten to that point yet. They are close, but just haven't made the right calls yet. Besides roster management, game management has gotten better, but it's still not where it needs to be for Wilson and several staff.

7. All teams/programs must learn how to win. The "big boys" expect to win because those before them won. That's a HUGE mental hurdle that most fans don't understand exists. And the only way to overcome it is find ways to win. So far we've talked a lot about winning and winning close games, but the players and coaches haven't overcome that mental hurdle yet. The only way to break it is to keep trying. You'll eventually get there and over the wall. So in 4.5 years we've been the foundations to get over it, we just haven't figured it out yet. Coaches have to stay positive. They've asked kids to buy into things, to be a family, to get through adversity together. You have to stay the course, even if it fails. If you jump ship now, you'll lose them completely.

8. You can't give up big plays, that's the object of defense. Most posters want our D to "stop them", but that's not what we are designed to do. The D contains. They want team to have to work to score. The more plays you run, the more likely you are to get a penalty, make a error, fumble, INT, etc. So the goal is to contain and make them work. If they score, fine, our offense is gonna march right down the field in our spread attacking tempo and score. This brings mental fatigue to an opponent and in college, kids aren't mentally tough enough to overcome the hurdle. That's our theory. Has our D played a good, 4 quarter game? No they haven't. But neither has the offense.

9. We are knocking on that door, but it's not opened yet. I think we made good strides the first 3 years, and then the last couple have been about the same with little movement other than getting better players to come play here. So I think we are stagnant.

The biggest question you have to ask yourself is can CKW get us over this hump we've been stuck on the last 3 years? His supporters will point to injuries at key positions and that's certainly a very valid argument. His detractors will point to his poor roster and game management that has cost us at key times, and that's also very valid arguments. I'm not sure what FG is thinking (I'm not him), but I believe the extension and the criticism that followed with mediocrity with Tom Crean will play into his decisions on Wilson going forward. I can certainly understand waiting, and I can certainly understand extending. Changing coaches every 3 to 5 years doesn't help and scares people. But we haven't moved much in the last 2.5 years and that's very scary. We may have gotten more competitive, but that's still losing. I don't believe moral victories help that much in all honesty. It may help fans, but not players. For me the last 2.5 years is telling, that we need someone else to get us over the hump. We shall see what happens.
 
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