How can this team get out rebounded 43-17?

[Bucket Getter]

We start 7-0, 6-9, 6-8, 6-5, 6-4 with 2 other 6-9 and a 6-8 guy on the bench.

It’s a damn shame this idiotic NIL stuff can’t be tied to performance, or at least effort. I know first-hand Knight had brutal rebounding drills to teach (demand) effort on the boards. Does Woody remember any of those?

 

[HoosierAlum07]

It’s weird that a tall team can’t rebound worth a darn, but it also is weird that a really small team can out-rebound a taller team so often! I can think of Butler having a small team a couple years ago that was really good at out-rebounding opponents. There have been many small teams that have out-rb bigger teams in the NcAA tourny in recent years creating big upsets.

It’s not hard to find a body and put your ass into them to create space to go up for a rb no matter what size you are! It all comes down to situational awareness! IU players usually don’t find a person near them to block out and just watch the ball bounce off the rim hoping it’ll fall into their hands. This can’t happen if you want to be a good running transition team. We have players also running down court as soon as the ball is shot hoping that they can cherry pick or something! TG always talks about this team as being a great transitional offensive team, but they can’t ever show that if they keep getting beat on the boards!

 

[frikkenfrakken]

One team tried to rebound on every play, the other team tried intermittently.

 

[OneWayStreet]

To me it just looks like IU is not well conditioned. Simple as that. That team has some talent.

 

[82hoosier]

Connecticut starting guards out rebounded Indiana starting guards 16 - 1.

 

[stollcpa]

Effort.

 

[trailrunner]

Effort.

And teaching

 

[stollcpa]

Until we have some guys that can consistently shoot from distance, we’re not going to be good.

 

[Bucket Getter]

Until we have some guys that can consistently shoot from distance, we’re not going to be good.

Wrong thread. This one is about our pathetic lack of rebounding.

 

[bailey777]

Until we have some guys that can consistently shoot from distance, we’re not going to be good.

nope but we have not recruiter shooters since crean.

 

[sglowrider]

We start 7-0, 6-9, 6-8, 6-5, 6-4 with 2 other 6-9 and a 6-8 guy on the bench.

It’s a damn shame this idiotic NIL stuff can’t be tied to performance, or at least effort. I know first-hand Knight had brutal rebounding drills to teach (demand) effort on the boards. Does Woody remember any of those?

Woodie's former knee says 'hello'!

 

[aajohn2000]

It’s weird that a tall team can’t rebound worth a darn, but it also is weird that a really small team can out-rebound a taller team so often! I can think of Butler having a small team a couple years ago that was really good at out-rebounding opponents. There have been many small teams that have out-rb bigger teams in the NcAA tourny in recent years creating big upsets.

It’s not hard to find a body and put your ass into them to create space to go up for a rb no matter what size you are! It all comes down to situational awareness! IU players usually don’t find a person near them to block out and just watch the ball bounce off the rim hoping it’ll fall into their hands. This can’t happen if you want to be a good running transition team. We have players also running down court as soon as the ball is shot hoping that they can cherry pick or something! TG always talks about this team as being a great transitional offensive team, but they can’t ever show that if they keep getting beat on the boards!

The UCONN guards had as many rebounds as the entire IU team. Tough to get easy / quick transition points when the other team still has the ball.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

They aren't positioning themselves to rebound....they are positioning themselves to gallop down the court for a fast break basket (since they have no perimeter game on offense)....Problem is....there isn't anyone to rebound it to start the fast break... No one blocks out.

 

[stollcpa]

And teaching

I agree teaching helps but Rodman was pure effort. We didn’t have one guy Sunday making any aggressive effort to rebound.

It’s on Woodson to not allow that again. Problem is, in this very small sample size I haven’t seen any of our guys with the disposition to rebound.

 

[Bippy]

We start 7-0, 6-9, 6-8, 6-5, 6-4 with 2 other 6-9 and a 6-8 guy on the bench.

It’s a damn shame this idiotic NIL stuff can’t be tied to performance, or at least effort. I know first-hand Knight had brutal rebounding drills to teach (demand) effort on the boards. Does Woody remember any of those?

It's all mental which means effort and keeping your head in the game for 40 full minutes.
As RMK always said "the mental is the the physical as 4 is to 1".

And I wouldn't blame it on NIL as these kids want NBA money which makes NIL look like chump change!

 

[Ty Webb iu]

We start 7-0, 6-9, 6-8, 6-5, 6-4 with 2 other 6-9 and a 6-8 guy on the bench.

It’s a damn shame this idiotic NIL stuff can’t be tied to performance, or at least effort. I know first-hand Knight had brutal rebounding drills to teach (demand) effort on the boards. Does Woody remember any of those?

I think a lot of IU's issues can be tied to the way they attempt to defend. They appear to be coaching all their players to get up into their man at all times, while guarding the ball, rather than attempting to contain or better yet, guard a player based on their strengths and weaknesses. Play off guys that can't shoot, get into shooters, etc.

IU looks like they are constantly frantic, then they run out of gas. When they run out of gas players look lazy. They get back cut, give up offensive rebounds, don't move offensively etc.

But it's mostly because IU rarely chooses to box out.

 

[kkott]

They aren't positioning themselves to rebound....they are positioning themselves to gallop down the court for a fast break basket (since they have no perimeter game on offense)....Problem is....there isn't anyone to rebound it to start the fast break... No one blocks out.

and when we do, we allow/encourage our frontcourt guys to bring the ball up the floor. Everyone loved that with TJD and I don't like it and don't think it does anything for the team, although maybe it helps highlight those guys individual skills more. But, it slows the break giving the D a chance to get back, puts our bigs in uncomfortable territory trying to make decisions and plays with the ball and then takes away one of our best finishing options. I still love to see a big gather a rebound and immediately turn with two hands on the ball above his head and hit a guy streaking with a pass to start the break. Then, get on your horse and takeoff for the rim! Always makes me shake my head when I see a Galloway or Cupps outletting to a Reanu.

 

[IUNorth]

Its an "all of the above" type answer.

Obviously, we don't have many that its just in their DNA to attack rebounds.

Its also obvious Woody either isn't doing much work on teaching and/or emphasizing rebounding in practices. And/or he isn't doing things that are translating to being able to do it in games.

And then our defensive philosophies, and our issues executing those philosophies, are leaving our players scrambling and out of position.

I think Woody has shown a great ability, since arriving at IU, to adjust and make improvements as seasons wear on. So I suspect we'll see improvements at some point. Our defense and rebounding the first 10 minutes against UConn was pretty good.

But on the flip side of that, I worry...A LOT...that he's either not consistently drilling them enough, or he isn't good at picking or teaching the drills they are doing...and Woody's teams just aren't going to be fundamentally sound with things like rebounding, consistently. So we'll have good stretches, and bad stretches...often within games. And it'll severely hold us back from reaching our potential.

 

[bsmitty08]

We have great length and size but as you can see by our defense and rebounding, we do not play hard.
Add that to zero shooting and perimeter players who can create their own shot and you have a recipe for a bad team.

 

[ams66]

Its also obvious Woody either isn't doing much work on teaching and/or emphasizing rebounding in practices. And/or he isn't doing things that are translating to being able to do it in games.

And then our defensive philosophies, and our issues executing those philosophies, are leaving our players scrambling and out of position.

Woodson has said consistenly that his philosophy is "defense first" so really can't get my head around the idea that he doesn't run defense and rebounding drills in practices. What do you imagine a Woodson practice is like? What do they work on if not that?

 

[Bucket Getter]

Woodson has said consistenly that his philosophy is "defense first" so really can't get my head around the idea that he doesn't run defense and rebounding drills in practices. What do you imagine a Woodson practice is like? What do they work on if not that?

Great question. It’s really hard to tell at this point, right?

 

[IUNorth]

Woodson has said consistenly that his philosophy is "defense first" so really can't get my head around the idea that he doesn't run defense and rebounding drills in practices. What do you imagine a Woodson practice is like? What do they work on if not that?

I really have no idea. I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around how they can be so bad positionally, and how they're rebounding is so bad...if they've been consistently doing any of the normal defensive shell drills, war rebounding, type drills that I remember from my days.

And then if he is consistently doing drills that focus on these things...he probably needs to evaluate if those are the right drills or not. Because its not showing up in games.

 

[Hoosiervannah]

Perfect thread to share this regarding effort. When I played intramural bball with my friends at IU someone made up a joke stat sheet one time. It was a joke but not completely. I was the 5’8 center and my stat line was averaged 1 point and 20 rebounds per game while our 6’4 guard’s line was 20 points and 1 rebound per game. I was always inside fighting and he woundn’t set foot in the lane. Effort can make a difference and I enjoyed rebounding against bigger guys more than scoring! Lol.

 

[Bucket Getter]

Perfect thread to share this regarding effort. When I played intramural bball with my friends at IU someone made up a joke stat sheet one time. It was a joke but not completely. I was the 5’8 center and my stat line was averaged 1 point and 20 rebounds per game while our 6’4 guard’s line was 20 points and 1 rebound per game. I was always inside fighting and he woundn’t set foot in the lane. Effort can make a difference and I enjoyed rebounding against bigger guys more than scoring! Lol.

That is very insightful! Woody needs to recruit a scrappy 5’8” center! 😂

 

[Hoosiervannah]

That is very insightful! Woody needs to recruit a scrappy 5’8” center! 😂

I have eligibility.

 

[Bucket Getter]

I have eligibility.

Brother if you’re still scrappy, you’re hired!