Here's a proposal in regard to age and firearm ownership

[76-1]

Move the legal age of both firearm ownership and the legal age to vote to 21..., and add the passing of a basic US civics test to gain lifetime voting privileges..., And add a law that requires both passing both a hands on instruction and a written firearms safety test to be able to first time buy firearms (for All first time buyers) ... while retaining the current "FBI background check system [and actually have them do their damn job in enforcing it]...

I mean if these 18 year olds (their brains aren't fully formed argument) can't be trusted with a firearm (and evidently a few of them can't be) then how can we trust them to vote?

Seems a reasonable approach to me...

I'd also add: If you are ever convicted of a Felony you lose your right to both ever again legally own a firearm or legally vote...

 

[DANC]

Move the legal age of both firearm ownership and the legal age to vote to 21..., and add the passing of a basic US civics test to gain lifetime voting privileges..., And add a law that requires both passing both a hands on instruction and a written firearms safety test to be able to first time buy firearms (for All first time buyers) ... while retaining the current "FBI background check system [and actually have them do their damn job in enforcing it]...

I mean if these 18 year olds (their brains aren't fully formed argument) can't be trusted with a firearm (and evidently a few of them can't be) then how can we trust them to vote?

Seems a reasonable approach to me...

I'd also add: If you are ever convicted of a Felony you lose your right to both ever again legally own a firearm or legally vote...

Great idea. But I"d make an exception for 18-20 year old veterans. They should be able to vote.

But I love the idea of requiring a basic civics class - just like we give LEGAL immigrants that's required for them to become citizens.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

So, back to literacy tests. MAGA.

 

[TommyCracker]

Great idea. But I"d make an exception for 18-20 year old veterans. They should be able to vote.

But I love the idea of requiring a basic civics class - just like we give LEGAL immigrants that's required for them to become citizens.

Yeah, great idea using the shooting deaths of children to pass a voting law.

 

[DANC]

Yeah, great idea using the shooting deaths of children to pass a voting law.

Wooooo-oooosh!!!!

The reasoning behind 76-1's proposals just flew right over your head!

 

[GuyDatHoo]

While I agree that most college aged kids are too dumb to be voting I can’t get behind this proposal. We need less infantilzation of americas kids, not more.

Move/ keep everything at 18, including hand guns and alcohol.

 

[Crayfish57]

Great idea. But I"d make an exception for 18-20 year old veterans. They should be able to vote.

But I love the idea of requiring a basic civics class - just like we give LEGAL immigrants that's required for them to become citizens.

That's racist

 

[bawlmer]

While I agree that most college aged kids are too dumb to be voting I can’t get behind this proposal. We need less infantilzation of americas kids, not more.

Move/ keep everything at 18, including hand guns and alcohol.

Yeah, this is just a dodge to preserve access to assault weapons. Ì have no problem with 18 year olds having access to hunting weapons.

 

[DANC]

Yeah, this is just a dodge to preserve access to assault weapons. Ì have no problem with 18 year olds having access to hunting weapons.

Yeah, it worked real well in Texas!

 

[76-1]

Yeah, great idea using the shooting deaths of children to pass a voting law.

Way to use the deaths of children to avoid discussing a viable solution to help avoid it happening again...

 

[bawlmer]

Yeah, it worked real well in Texas!

45 rounds per minute is not a hunting rifle.

 

[IUclover]

And age max for voting to 60. Or at least until boomers are gone.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

45 rounds per minute is not a hunting rifle.

Technically it depends on what you are hunting.

 

[bawlmer]

Technically it depends on what you are hunting.

And whether you intend to eat what you shoot.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Move the legal age of both firearm ownership and the legal age to vote to 21..., and add the passing of a basic US civics test to gain lifetime voting privileges..., And add a law that requires both passing both a hands on instruction and a written firearms safety test to be able to first time buy firearms (for All first time buyers) ... while retaining the current "FBI background check system [and actually have them do their damn job in enforcing it]...

I mean if these 18 year olds (their brains aren't fully formed argument) can't be trusted with a firearm (and evidently a few of them can't be) then how can we trust them to vote?

Seems a reasonable approach to me...

I'd also add: If you are ever convicted of a Felony you lose your right to both ever again legally own a firearm or legally vote...

I have to agree with one of the other posters. Moving anything past 18 is simply dumbing down of our already horrendous record of not holding people accountable to their abilities.
Also I don't now why you also didn't add, " make it that you can't illegally purchase or use illegal controlled substances until your 21". Kids at 18, hell 16 are much more capable than we hold them too. I don't think that is the kids fault, BTW.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Yeah, this is just a dodge to preserve access to assault weapons. Ì have no problem with 18 year olds having access to hunting weapons.

No such thing as an 'assault weapon'..

Many, many varmints who are destructive to domestic animals and habitat, such as coyote or wild hogs are hunted with AR-15 throughout the US.

 

[Univee2]

Yeah, great idea using the shooting deaths of children to pass a voting law.

Yeah, but I’ll use the shooting deaths of children to talk about George Floyd.

- Signed, Barack H. Obama

 

[Marvin the Martian]

No such thing as an 'assault weapon'..

Many, many varmints who are destructive to domestic animals and habitat, such as coyote or wild hogs are hunted with AR-15 throughout the US.

And most are over 21. For those 18-21, somehow our ancestors fought those heavily armed beasts with bolt action rifles, as they did Germans and Japanese that were even slightly better armed than a coyote. If an 18-year-old needs to go to war against a wild hog, they can learn on some other gun. If an 18-year old in 1940 killed coyote with something like a 1917 Enfield, why must an 18 year old today use a high velocity semi automatic?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

And most are over 21. For those 18-21, somehow our ancestors fought those heavily armed beasts with bolt action rifles, as they did Germans and Japanese that were even slightly better armed than a coyote. If an 18-year-old needs to go to war against a wild hog, they can learn on some other gun. If an 18-year old in 1940 killed coyote with something like a 1917 Enfield, why must an 18 year old today use a high velocity semi automatic?

Puff, puff, pass...

 

[Harry Hondo]

Yeah, but I’ll use the shooting deaths of children to talk about George Floyd.

- Signed, Barack H. Obama

Coincidentally, the anniversary of Floyd’s death fell on the day after the shooting and Obama tweeted out his condolences to the victims the day before (without a Floyd mention), so it wasn’t as if his only tweet about Uvalde was coupled with a reference to Floyd. Just you and conservative media looking to make hay.

 

[ribbont]

And most are over 21. For those 18-21, somehow our ancestors fought those heavily armed beasts with bolt action rifles, as they did Germans and Japanese that were even slightly better armed than a coyote. If an 18-year-old needs to go to war against a wild hog, they can learn on some other gun. If an 18-year old in 1940 killed coyote with something like a 1917 Enfield, why must an 18 year old today use a high velocity semi automatic?

And maybe many people lost that fight against the animal because they didn't have the AR-15. Who knows?

But I would think most the hunting of coyote and wild hogs is protecting ranches, livestock, etc. I'm spitballing here, but could the business (ranch/farm) own the guns and distribute to the workers during those times of need? Then collect them for storage when not needed. Or does that create too much of a liability issue?

 

[76-1]

And most are over 21. For those 18-21, somehow our ancestors fought those heavily armed beasts with bolt action rifles, as they did Germans and Japanese that were even slightly better armed than a coyote. If an 18-year-old needs to go to war against a wild hog, they can learn on some other gun. If an 18-year old in 1940 killed coyote with something like a 1917 Enfield, why must an 18 year old today use a high velocity semi automatic?

You clearly have never seen what a .303 (Enfield round) can do to someone... That and the fact that it has a standard 10 round box magazine makes it particularly lethal...

Personally, given the choice, I'd rather take my chances of getting hit by a .223 and hoping for a thru and thru versus getting slammed by a .303...

 

[jsig]

 

[vesuvius13]

45 rounds per minute is not a hunting rifle.

You really don't know hunting rifles. The big difference is hunters aren't in environments to shoot that quickly but their rifles can.

 

[Spartans9312]

You really don't know hunting rifles. The big difference is hunters aren't in environments to shoot that quickly but their rifles can.

What are you hunting? And what are you using?