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Group demands revenue sharing with Big Ten (link).

As long as we can fire them for performance … or cut their pay …
One year scholarships. Everyone will need to make the team every year. I doubt the NCAA will permit cutting players at the semester, but everyone will be trying out for next year. Prepare for scholarship reductions and / or a trimming of non-revenue sports, too.
 
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Grammaw always said “be careful what you ask for…”
This is not new but resurfacing, and I suspect it will get some traction. Much of it will be centered around such things as conditions and health care. The problem with going much further is moving from 1099 assiciates to W2 which changes the game entirely and not all for the good for players.
 
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It was inevitable that revenue sharing would eventually surface, and it will eventually be a bellwether issue in the evolution of modern day college sports. The players will have plenty of support for their position, both on campus and off, and it will very likely make NIL look like pocket change by comparison. For us, it could serve as an opportunity to keep the playing field somewhat level, though some schools who drive the majority of the revenue are sure to push for a more equitable division of funds at some point. The number of sports, as well as the number of scholarships, will eventually be under pressure, too.
 
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I know much of this is based upon projected TV Revenue and Marketing/brand Revenue. But Where do We reach the point where all this Revenue is committed and they need more to support the system. As we know, when it comes to Wage and Benefit negotiations it is more likely that You have increases in Benefits or Status Quo than reductions.

I guess my question is this. Where is Your breaking point? If a Minimum Season Ticket Price becomes $1,500 per ticket and You are being charged $10 for a hot dog and $12 for a Drink, do You continue to go in person, or do You step back and watch everything on TV. Or where do You decide that if they start NFL type pricing and gouging You might as well get Colts Season Tickets and watch games in a Weather protected Venue?

Would appreciate some thoughts.
 
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I know much of this is based upon projected TV Revenue and Marketing/brand Revenue. But Where do We reach the point where all this Revenue is committed and they need more to support the system. As we know, when it comes to Wage and Benefit negotiations it is more likely that You have increases in Benefits or Status Quo than reductions.

I guess my question is this. Where is Your breaking point? If a Minimum Season Ticket Price becomes $1,500 per ticket and You are being charged $10 for a hot dog and $12 for a Drink, do You continue to go in person, or do You step back and watch everything on TV. Or where do You decide that if they start NFL type pricing and gouging You might as well get Colts Season Tickets and watch games in a Weather protected Venue?

Would appreciate some thoughts.
At some point, the focus will naturally turn to the expense line. In intercollegiate athletics, that will put pressure on both the number of scholarships in revenue sports (especially football) as well as a reduction in the number of non-revenue generating programs (where there is already financial pressure). Revenue sharing will dwarf NIL in magnitude and will bring support from several interested parties. As the revenues climbed, this was inevitable, though very few of us have been talking about it, since the focus was on the non-sharing NIL issue. It will also further the discussion among some schools that they “earn” a lower share of the revenue than they generate, and that’s going to become a larger issue.

As for breaking points, I think it’s going to be increasingly difficult to field a sub-standard program and expect people to keep paying for tickets, parking, concessions, etc. This is especially true if the off field product is no better than what’s on the field. Schools are going to have to fully commit or they’ll continue to bleed fans and the revenue that comes with them. That will simply drive the revenue generators to demand a more equitable share of the revenue distribution.
 
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I know much of this is based upon projected TV Revenue and Marketing/brand Revenue. But Where do We reach the point where all this Revenue is committed and they need more to support the system. As we know, when it comes to Wage and Benefit negotiations it is more likely that You have increases in Benefits or Status Quo than reductions.

I guess my question is this. Where is Your breaking point? If a Minimum Season Ticket Price becomes $1,500 per ticket and You are being charged $10 for a hot dog and $12 for a Drink, do You continue to go in person, or do You step back and watch everything on TV. Or where do You decide that if they start NFL type pricing and gouging You might as well get Colts Season Tickets and watch games in a Weather protected Venue?

Would appreciate some thoughts.
Couple of really good questions.

Ultimately the market will determine what happens and how people and organizations react (as it always does). For all programs, ticket/concession/parking/seat license pricing is elastic, however a program like TX or AL will present less elasticity than an IU or PU. ADs will need to keep a close eye on forecasting and know where the lines intersect. Good business planning will be looking three years out and know how much attendance decay (for TV) is tenable and what expenses will look like.

Not brain surgery but the first couple years as this thing evolves there will be some lessons learned. Among several unknowns is what role Title IV will play.
 
I know much of this is based upon projected TV Revenue and Marketing/brand Revenue. But Where do We reach the point where all this Revenue is committed and they need more to support the system. As we know, when it comes to Wage and Benefit negotiations it is more likely that You have increases in Benefits or Status Quo than reductions.

I guess my question is this. Where is Your breaking point? If a Minimum Season Ticket Price becomes $1,500 per ticket and You are being charged $10 for a hot dog and $12 for a Drink, do You continue to go in person, or do You step back and watch everything on TV. Or where do You decide that if they start NFL type pricing and gouging You might as well get Colts Season Tickets and watch games in a Weather protected Venue?

Would appreciate some thoughts.
Everyone reaches the point of diminishing returns, but it happens at different levels for people. I hope NCAA football doesn't push those limits, they are close now.
 
This is not new but resurfacing, and I suspect it will get some traction. Much of it will be centered around such things as conditions and health care. The problem with going much further is moving from 1099 assiciates to W2 which changes the game entirely and not all for the good for players.

Gotta believe that issuing 1099s for tuition and room & board payments is just around the corner.
 
I know much of this is based upon projected TV Revenue and Marketing/brand Revenue. But Where do We reach the point where all this Revenue is committed and they need more to support the system. As we know, when it comes to Wage and Benefit negotiations it is more likely that You have increases in Benefits or Status Quo than reductions.

I guess my question is this. Where is Your breaking point? If a Minimum Season Ticket Price becomes $1,500 per ticket and You are being charged $10 for a hot dog and $12 for a Drink, do You continue to go in person, or do You step back and watch everything on TV. Or where do You decide that if they start NFL type pricing and gouging You might as well get Colts Season Tickets and watch games in a Weather protected Venue?

Would appreciate some thoughts.
At some point, the focus will naturally turn to the expense line. In intercollegiate athletics, that will put pressure on both the number of scholarships in revenue sports (especially football) as well as a reduction in the number of non-revenue generating programs (where there is already financial pressure). Revenue sharing will dwarf NIL in magnitude and will bring support from several interested parties. As the revenues climbed, this was inevitable, though very few of us have been talking about it, since the focus was on the non-sharing NIL issue. It will also further the discussion among some schools that they “earn” a lower share of the revenue than they generate, and that’s going to become a larger issue.

As for breaking points, I think it’s going to be increasingly difficult to field a sub-standard program and expect people to keep paying for tickets, parking, concessions, etc. This is especially true if the off field product is no better than what’s on the field. Schools are going to have to fully commit or they’ll continue to bleed fans and the revenue that comes with them. That will simply drive the revenue generators to demand a more equitable share of the revenue distribution.

didn't read the OP's linked article, but players can "demand" things all they want, getting them can be a different story.

that said, IU and other schools have been milking the loyal base for all they can, for decades.

i don't see any of this affecting in person ticket or parking or concessions any more than things have in the past.

the price-demand curve still exists for in person costs.

tv revenues though have been totally insulated by the FCC and FTC from virtually all normal market price-demand effects.

point being, fans have the ability to quit going to games or buying concessions if priced out, as many already have over the yrs.

what they basically don't have, is the choice to quit Fox Sports/BTN, Disney/ESPN/ABC, NBC, CBS, Turner/TNT, ect, if the price gets more than they feel is worth it.

as i've said before, the tv revenue side might as well be based in a mandatory tax type set up, where Joe Consumer has literally no ability to opt out even if he wants to, no matter how much the networks gouge him, and no matter how little interest he has or doesn't have in college or pro sports..

what business wouldn't love to operate in a climate where they have quasi monopoly status to begin with, and even better, where their revenue base is basically forced to buy their product every month whether they want to or not, regardless of how over priced they think it is, or how little interest they have in it.

i would say there should be a law against this, but there already are laws.

they just aren't enforced, due to the beyond wonderful legality of money being able to buy govt, politicians, and regulators, coupled with the reality of some of the media and their distribution apparatus, now essentially being the public relations arms of the DNC and RNC.

don't shoot the messenger.

zero exaggerations here for dramatic effect. all i laid out is absolutely as it is.
 
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Which may be an unintended consequence and wholly unfair to the small sport athletes. Some think this can be restricted to FB or FB and BB but lots of attorneys will be lined up to make this a shit show.
Yep. The sheer POTENTIAL for cash will draw the scavengers in to the carrion. Look for the "Were you a collegiate athlete in the 2000's and you didn't receive proper compensation for your services?" commercials for the class action suits in a few years.
 
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The classic union compensation structure is a wage scale where the most senior members make the most money.

This seems to fly in the face of a star powered NIL

More TV money for players presents the problem of its equitable distribution.
 
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The classic union compensation structure is a wage scale where the most senior members make the most money.

This seems to fly in the face of a star powered NIL

More TV money for players presents the problem of its equitable distribution.
Unless they negotiate non wage issues such as health care and then arrive at a flat $X per player and let NIL cover the stars.
 
The universities can always argue that the players get revenue sharing now in the form of scholarship, room and board, books, etc. That's worth a lot of money by itself. Football players arguing for attendance/tv money that also helps fund all the other sports and collegiate athletes will make them very unpopular, not that it will matter much to them in their greed/wants.

Once you put a dollar number on a player at that level of revenue sharing then it becomes fair to ask/determine the value of that player relative to the revenue shared. That could advantage some, disadvantage most or at least lessen the advantage and then with an open transfer portal, encourage schools to rework their rosters every year and scholarship commitments mean nothing.

Again, the old adage of being careful what you ask for applies here. Not to say they won't eventually get something, but for many that get will result in a lot of pain.
 
The universities can always argue that the players get revenue sharing now in the form of scholarship, room and board, books, etc. That's worth a lot of money by itself. Football players arguing for attendance/tv money that also helps fund all the other sports and collegiate athletes will make them very unpopular, not that it will matter much to them in their greed/wants.

Once you put a dollar number on a player at that level of revenue sharing then it becomes fair to ask/determine the value of that player relative to the revenue shared. That could advantage some, disadvantage most or at least lessen the advantage and then with an open transfer portal, encourage schools to rework their rosters every year and scholarship commitments mean nothing.

Again, the old adage of being careful what you ask for applies here. Not to say they won't eventually get something, but for many that get will result in a lot of
Please be aware that I am putting this out here tongue in check. it's almost to the point where the programs that will benefit most are the ones that have the best Statistical Projection/ analysis and Math Departments over the next few years. Instead of recruiting 5 Star football Players. maybe they should recruit the best 5 Star Analytical Math Students they can find.
 
The universities can always argue that the players get revenue sharing now in the form of scholarship, room and board, books, etc. That's worth a lot of money by itself. Football players arguing for attendance/tv money that also helps fund all the other sports and collegiate athletes will make them very unpopular, not that it will matter much to them in their greed/wants.

Once you put a dollar number on a player at that level of revenue sharing then it becomes fair to ask/determine the value of that player relative to the revenue shared. That could advantage some, disadvantage most or at least lessen the advantage and then with an open transfer portal, encourage schools to rework their rosters every year and scholarship commitments mean nothing.

Again, the old adage of being careful what you ask for applies here. Not to say they won't eventually get something, but for many that get will result in a lot of pain.
"Equity" is impossible given the Olympic Sports and Title IV issues that are inevitable. This is why I still believe that the best solution is a set on non comp benefits for all and then a set $X for each scholarship athlete. NIL fill in the gap for the star athletes.
 
how do you so totally screw up college football, college basketball, and destroy century old conferences.

the complete and total incompetence and destructive malevolence of the college sports leadership starting with Delany, is beyond belief.
 
how do you so totally screw up college football, college basketball, and destroy century old conferences.

the complete and total incompetence and destructive malevolence of the college sports leadership starting with Delany, is beyond belief.
Delany is, more than any other person, responsible for exponentially increasing the distributed revenue for each and every member of the Big Ten. He was neither incompetent or destructive.
 
Delany is, more than any other person, responsible for exponentially increasing the distributed revenue for each and every member of the Big Ten. He was neither incompetent or destructive.


Delany had virtually nothing to do with it, other than NOT turning down the money from Fox and other sources.

DBS satellite, (Directv, Dish Net), plus UVerse and FIOS coming on scene and changes in the pay tv/internet/pay streaming/satellite industries, are responsible for all the gains.

and virtually every major college conference and every major pro league, saw similar gains.

since Delany became B10 commish in 1989, your average basic cable bill has gone from $15-$19 mo to the current $150-$200 plus per mo cable/internet bills today, before adding HBO or Showtime.

Directv and Dish Net coming on the scene in the 1990s, followed by UVerse and FIOS in the 2000s, to now all the streaming services as well, are why that is.

a huge chunk, in fact the biggest chunk by far and away, of that per mo jump was driven by, and goes to, major college and pro sports.

spare me the false propaganda spin. you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

as usual.
 
Delany had virtually nothing to do with it, other than NOT turning down the money from Fox and other sources.

DBS satellite, (Directv, Dish Net), plus UVerse and FIOS coming on scene and changes in the pay tv/internet/pay streaming/satellite industries, are responsible for all the gains.

and virtually every major college conference and every major pro league, saw similar gains.

since Delany became B10 commish in 1989, your average basic cable bill has gone from $15-$19 mo to the current $150-$200 plus per mo cable/internet bills today, before adding HBO or Showtime.

Directv and Dish Net coming on the scene in the 1990s, followed by UVerse and FIOS in the 2000s, to now all the streaming services as well, are why that is.

a huge chunk, in fact the biggest chunk by far and away, of that per mo jump was driven by, and goes to, major college and pro sports.

spare me the false propaganda spin. you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

as usual.
Like I said, Delany is, more than any other person, responsible for exponentially increasing the distributed revenue for each and every member of the Big Ten. He was neither incompetent or destructive. The facts overwhelmingly support that, while you offer no facts that counter it.
 
how do you so totally screw up college football, college basketball, and destroy century old conferences.

the complete and total incompetence and destructive malevolence of the college sports leadership starting with Delany, is beyond belief.
Delany was on auto pilot for the back half of his tenure.

BTN was responsible for the massive increase in revenue. JD rode the wave in.
 
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Did anybody ever find Delaney and his golden parachute? That dude retired with a boatload of money from the conference. Maybe he and D.B. Cooper are on a yacht somewhere.
 
Did anybody ever find Delaney and his golden parachute? That dude retired with a boatload of money from the conference. Maybe he and D.B. Cooper are on a yacht somewhere.
Surfboard Jim rode that BTN wave all the way home to his private island. D. B. Is his pool boy.
 
Delany was on auto pilot for the back half of his tenure.

BTN was responsible for the massive increase in revenue. JD rode the wave in.

you obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

BTN revenues are nowhere near what the higher tier media revenues are.

and Delany is not the one responsible for increases in B10 revenues, any more than Glass was responsible for increases in IU revenues.

agreeing to accept the money when offered it, is not the same as being responsible for generating it.

as i detailed above, changes in the pay tv/streaming/internet industry is 100% responsible for all the increases

and literally 100 plus percent of the increase is eventually paid for by Joe Cable/Internet Subscriber, not by Fox or Disney/ESPN or Comcast/NBC or CBS or You Tube or Hulu or anyone else.

100 plus percent.
 
you obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

BTN revenues are nowhere near what the higher tier media revenues are.

and Delany is not the one responsible for increases in B10 revenues, any more than Glass was responsible for increases in IU revenues.

agreeing to accept the money when offered it, is not the same as being responsible for generating it.

as i detailed above, changes in the pay tv/streaming/internet industry is 100% responsible for all the increases

and literally 100 plus percent of the increase is eventually paid for by Joe Cable/Internet Subscriber, not by Fox or Disney/ESPN or Comcast/NBC or CBS or You Tube or Hulu or anyone else.

100 plus percent.
I didn’t say any of those things.
Poor reading comprehension or just an early start to happy hour?
 
you obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

BTN revenues are nowhere near what the higher tier media revenues are.

and Delany is not the one responsible for increases in B10 revenues, any more than Glass was responsible for increases in IU revenues.

agreeing to accept the money when offered it, is not the same as being responsible for generating it.

as i detailed above, changes in the pay tv/streaming/internet industry is 100% responsible for all the increases

and literally 100 plus percent of the increase is eventually paid for by Joe Cable/Internet Subscriber, not by Fox or Disney/ESPN or Comcast/NBC or CBS or You Tube or Hulu or anyone else.

100 plus percent.
And yet, despite Delany, the Big Ten payouts are the highest of any conference.



You need to stay in your lane.
 
I didn’t say any of those things.
Poor reading comprehension or just an early start to happy hour?

"BTN was responsible for the massive increase in revenue"
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exact quote from you, which i quote boxed.

perhaps you have poor writing comprehension.

sorry if i jumped on you, but i get tired of seeing that BTN is the big money maker, or that Delany is responsible for B10 revenue jumps, or Glass for IU's revenue jumps.

the pay tv/internet industry is responsible for all of it, ALL OF IT, and literally all of it is coming out of our pockets.

and being done so on a mandatory basis, with our having literally no choice in if we pay it or not.

the "no choice", is where i have a big problem with it.
 
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