Gov. Josh Shapiro

[crazed_hoosier2]

I had made this as a reply to another thread. But I thought it may warrant its own.

The more I see and hear from Gov. Shapiro, the more I want to see and hear from him.

I'm sure I have a slew of policy disagreements with him. And I'm not necessarily saying I'd vote for him should he run for POTUS. But I am saying that he seems like the very kind of person and leader we need more of in the country. No vitriol. No cheap inflammatory rhetoric. No sharp elbows. Just pitch perfect in a moral sense.

He strikes such a contrast from what so much of our politics has become -- certainly in the Trump era, but even before that. When he said that the firefighter Trump supporter who was killed at the rally was a hero, I believe he genuinely meant it. We just don't see much of that these days.

I think the country would be well-served by the Dems putting forth more people like him (and others I hold in high esteem like Andy Beshear, Jared Polis) -- as well as the Republicans putting forth more people like Brian Kemp, Glenn Youngkin, and even our own Eric Holcomb (although I'm skeptical that Eric has the chops to go further than he has).

 

[UncleMark]

He caught my eye two years ago. Very Obama-like.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

I want to like him, I really do, but unfortunately he’s a coward cuck.

He ran on school choice and offering hard working kids, out of Philly a better path. Then the conservative legislature put a school choice bill on his desk. That he veto’d.

It’s the same issue I had with Obama. It’s nice to talk about what a moderate you are, can we see some ****ing action? Please?

 

[hoot1]

I had made this as a reply to another thread. But I thought it may warrant its own.

The more I see and hear from Gov. Shapiro, the more I want to see and hear from him.

I'm sure I have a slew of policy disagreements with him. And I'm not necessarily saying I'd vote for him should he run for POTUS. But I am saying that he seems like the very kind of person and leader we need more of in the country. No vitriol. No cheap inflammatory rhetoric. No sharp elbows. Just pitch perfect in a moral sense.

He strikes such a contrast from what so much of our politics has become -- certainly in the Trump era, but even before that. When he said that the firefighter Trump supporter who was killed at the rally was a hero, I believe he genuinely meant it. We just don't see much of that these days.

I think the country would be well-served by the Dems putting forth more people like him (and others I hold in high esteem like Andy Beshear, Jared Polis) -- as well as the Republicans putting forth more people like Brian Kemp, Glenn Youngkin, and even our own Eric Holcomb (although I'm skeptical that Eric has the chops to go further than he has).

Craze, you bring up candidates the average voter may never have heard of. They are probably the kind of candidates with whom party professionals are acquainted and respect.

Consequently a celebrity such as Trump or a politician such as a Biden who has been in the limelight for decades have a big advantage in the popular primary election used currently to nominate presidents.

Could it be that more qualified candidates might be nominated if we returned to party conventions to. nominate presidential candidates ?

Having said that, I realize such a change wouldn't be popular in a country with many who seem to feel professional politicians are taking the country in the wrong direction

 

[mcmurtry66]

I had made this as a reply to another thread. But I thought it may warrant its own.

The more I see and hear from Gov. Shapiro, the more I want to see and hear from him.

I'm sure I have a slew of policy disagreements with him. And I'm not necessarily saying I'd vote for him should he run for POTUS. But I am saying that he seems like the very kind of person and leader we need more of in the country. No vitriol. No cheap inflammatory rhetoric. No sharp elbows. Just pitch perfect in a moral sense.

He strikes such a contrast from what so much of our politics has become -- certainly in the Trump era, but even before that. When he said that the firefighter Trump supporter who was killed at the rally was a hero, I believe he genuinely meant it. We just don't see much of that these days.

I think the country would be well-served by the Dems putting forth more people like him (and others I hold in high esteem like Andy Beshear, Jared Polis) -- as well as the Republicans putting forth more people like Brian Kemp, Glenn Youngkin, and even our own Eric Holcomb (although I'm skeptical that Eric has the chops to go further than he has).

Policy aside he’d be a return to normalcy

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Craze, you bring up candidates the average voter may never have heard of. They are probably the kind of candidates that party professionals are acquainted and respect.

Consequently a celebrity such as Trump or a politician such as a Biden who has been in the limelight for decades have a big advantage in the popular primary election used currently to nominate presidents.

Could it be that more qualified candidates might be nominated if we returned to party conventions to. nominate presidential candidates ?

Having said that, I realize such a change wouldn't be popular in a country with many who seem to feel professional politicians are taking the country in the wrong direction

At the end of the day, I'm rooting for the professional politicians. But I have a laundry list of grievances against them -- such that I have some understanding, if not sympathy, for the currents underlying the populist upheaval.

I have others. But here are my top 2:

Professional politicians have made an abject mess of our fiscal situation. We presently have no good options in front of us. Our political class took Yogi Berra's advice: when you come to a fork in the road, take it. Essentially, they have lived on kicking the can down the road long enough to finish off their own political careers...also remembering Keynes' famous answer about the long-term ramifications of his fiscal paradigm: in the long run, we are all dead. He and everybody he said that to is, in fact, dead. But we are not.

They've been utterly negligent about our border. Both parties -- although to date it's been more damaging to the (Bush-era) Republican Party than the Democratic Party. I know full well why they've had a porous border. It's not an oversight. It's not that they're overwhelmed or helpless. It's that they believe (perhaps correctly) that we need migrants and their labor. But who among them have even been honest with voters about that? Not many. They typically use baldly emotional appeals about people just wanting a better life, etc. etc. It's been impossible to have a regular debate about it.

And guess what issue, more than any other, the charlatan Donald Trump feasted on in order to gain political momentum?

The professional politicians have fought populism stupidly.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

He caught my eye two years ago. Very Obama-like.

That isn't exactly the comparison I would make. At least, not in the strict sense of what I'm talking about.

But, that aside, I get your drift. Shapiro seems to have a lot of political gifts and is somebody to keep an eye on.

 

[hoot1]

At the end of the day, I'm rooting for the professional politicians. But I have a laundry list of grievances against them -- such that I have some understanding, if not sympathy, for the currents underlying the populist upheaval.

I have others. But here are my top 2:

Professional politicians have made an abject mess of our fiscal situation. We presently have no good options in front of us. Our political class took Yogi Berra's advice: when you come to a fork in the road, take it. Essentially, they have lived on kicking the can down the road long enough to finish off their own political careers...also remembering Keynes' famous answer about the long-term ramifications of his fiscal paradigm: in the long run, we are all dead. He and everybody he said that to is, in fact, dead. But we are not.

They've been utterly negligent about our border. Both parties -- although to date it's been more damaging to the (Bush-era) Republican Party than the Democratic Party. I know full well why they've had a porous border. It's not an oversight. It's not that they're overwhelmed or helpless. It's that they believe (perhaps correctly) that we need migrants and their labor. But who among them have even been honest with voters about that? Not many. They typically use baldly emotional appeals about people just wanting a better life, etc. etc. It's been impossible to have a regular debate about it.

And guess what issue, more than any other, the charlatan Donald Trump feasted on in order to gain political momentum?

The professional politicians have fought populism stupidly.

Craze, agree with your bringing up deficits and the border as prime examples of our politicians not being able to solve major problems.

However, you switched the thread from nominating presidents to two problems which in my view focuses on Congressional failures. In respect to Congress, it would seem populism in many districts and some states is alive and well.

 

[BradStevens]

He caught my eye two years ago. Very Obama-like.

Caught your eye, huh? NTTAWWT

 

[snarlcakes]

I had made this as a reply to another thread. But I thought it may warrant its own.

The more I see and hear from Gov. Shapiro, the more I want to see and hear from him.

I'm sure I have a slew of policy disagreements with him. And I'm not necessarily saying I'd vote for him should he run for POTUS. But I am saying that he seems like the very kind of person and leader we need more of in the country. No vitriol. No cheap inflammatory rhetoric. No sharp elbows. Just pitch perfect in a moral sense.

He strikes such a contrast from what so much of our politics has become -- certainly in the Trump era, but even before that. When he said that the firefighter Trump supporter who was killed at the rally was a hero, I believe he genuinely meant it. We just don't see much of that these days.

I think the country would be well-served by the Dems putting forth more people like him (and others I hold in high esteem like Andy Beshear, Jared Polis) -- as well as the Republicans putting forth more people like Brian Kemp, Glenn Youngkin, and even our own Eric Holcomb (although I'm skeptical that Eric has the chops to go further than he has).

He’s not left enough and is a white male. He seems to be a good Governor, but he’s not a national candidate.

 

[BradStevens]

That isn't exactly the comparison I would make. At least, not in the strict sense of what I'm talking about.

But, that aside, I get your drift. Shapiro seems to have a lot of political gifts and is somebody to keep an eye on.

Shapiro consciously copies Obama's speaking style, cadence, etc. Very noticeable.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Shapiro consciously copies Obama's speaking style, cadence, etc. Very noticeable.

Stylistically, I wouldn't disagree.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

He’s not far left enough and is a white male. He seems to be a good Governor, but he’s not a national candidate.

Well, he's Jewish. Does that count as white? Maybe partially? I don't know -- I'm kind of out of the loop on all the identity stuff.

Anyway, Joe Biden was always regarded as a centrist Senator. And he unquestionably is a white male. Same goes for Bill Clinton. The Dems nominated both of them, and had success doing it.

 

[snarlcakes]

Well, he's Jewish. Does that count as white? Maybe partially? I don't know -- I'm kind of out of the loop on all the identity stuff.

Anyway, Joe Biden was always regarded as a centrist Senator. And he unquestionably is a white male. Same goes for Bill Clinton. The Dems nominated both of them, and had success doing it.

I agree, but that’s not the future of their party. Their voters care about identify and being progressive.

2008 - Black Male
2012 - Black Male
2016 - Female
2020 - Progressive/Socialist- Bernie Sanders was leading until Biden was throw in last minute. The party rallied around Biden because he wasn’t Trump.

I’ve been wrong before, but if they run a white male who isn’t progressive in 2028, I owe you a beer or mea culpa.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Very Obama-like.

He was quite partisan.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Shapiro consciously copies Obama's speaking style, cadence, etc. Very noticeable.

Yea, but how is he on athletics?

 

[BradStevens]

Yea, but how is he on athletics?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

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[Harry Hondo]

I had made this as a reply to another thread. But I thought it may warrant its own.

The more I see and hear from Gov. Shapiro, the more I want to see and hear from him.

I'm sure I have a slew of policy disagreements with him. And I'm not necessarily saying I'd vote for him should he run for POTUS. But I am saying that he seems like the very kind of person and leader we need more of in the country. No vitriol. No cheap inflammatory rhetoric. No sharp elbows. Just pitch perfect in a moral sense.

He strikes such a contrast from what so much of our politics has become -- certainly in the Trump era, but even before that. When he said that the firefighter Trump supporter who was killed at the rally was a hero, I believe he genuinely meant it. We just don't see much of that these days.

I think the country would be well-served by the Dems putting forth more people like him (and others I hold in high esteem like Andy Beshear, Jared Polis) -- as well as the Republicans putting forth more people like Brian Kemp, Glenn Youngkin, and even our own Eric Holcomb (although I'm skeptical that Eric has the chops to go further than he has).

Putting forth all of those moderates, from both parties, is the only way back to political stability and strength. You can’t be a strong nation when you’re this divided (this likely Trump presidency will do nothing to change that). 2028 will be a huge turning point in this country’s future of failure or success.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Putting forth all of those moderates, from both parties, is the only way back to political stability and strength. You can’t be a strong nation when you’re this divided (this likely Trump presidency will do nothing to change that). 2028 will be a huge turning point in this country’s future of failure or success.

I kind of agree with this. But I also don't think it's that simple.

We have some hard decisions to make. And I think this reality underlies the division.

 

[larsIU]

I want to like him, I really do, but unfortunately he’s a coward cuck.

He ran on school choice and offering hard working kids, out of Philly a better path. Then the conservative legislature put a school choice bill on his desk. That he veto’d.

It’s the same issue I had with Obama. It’s nice to talk about what a moderate you are, can we see some ****ing action? Please?

Yes, ideology does get in the way sometimes doesn't it? Conservatives too you know. How do you feel about raising taxes?

Partially kidding.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Putting forth all of those moderates, from both parties, is the only way back to political stability and strength. You can’t be a strong nation when you’re this divided (this likely Trump presidency will do nothing to change that). 2028 will be a huge turning point in this country’s future of failure or success.

I'll pose it again - how do we do that when we have a primary system that seems to favor the extremes vs. centrists?

 

[snarlcakes]

Putting forth all of those moderates, from both parties, is the only way back to political stability and strength. You can’t be a strong nation when you’re this divided (this likely Trump presidency will do nothing to change that). 2028 will be a huge turning point in this country’s future of failure or success.

The underlining issue is too much debt and government. It’s not getting cut, so the problems will continue and unfortunately Populism becomes more attractive to voters. How many moderates are proposing cuts to the federal government? I assume it’s zero. Hell, there’s probably only a quarter of Republicans for it and they’re the Conservative Party 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Well, he's Jewish. Does that count as white? Maybe partially? I don't know -- I'm kind of out of the loop on all the identity stuff.

Anyway, Joe Biden was always regarded as a centrist Senator. And he unquestionably is a white male. Same goes for Bill Clinton. The Dems nominated both of them, and had success doing it.

What was the name of that one racist poster we used to have? The guy who wasn't vague about it, but had a really detailed, thought out approach to his racism. Anyway, I recall him being very adamant that Jews were white.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I'll pose it again - how do we do that when we have a primary system that seems to favor the extremes vs. centrists?

This isn't realistic, but you'd have to start with ending state funding and administration of primaries. If you did that, then the parties would be free to deselect and even expel whomever they wanted. In an ideal world, this would result in four parties: Dems, GOP, Socialists, and, I dunno, Patriot or whatever. Then the Dems and GOP just form an alliance in which they'll agree to support each other for Congressional leadership, and the extremists end up getting elected where they can, but also getting sidelined when it comes to actual governance.

I'm not sure how that works with the presidential election, though. That might be a tough one.

 

[BradStevens]

What was the name of that one racist poster we used to have? The guy who wasn't vague about it, but had a really detailed, thought out approach to his racism. Anyway, I recall him being very adamant that Jews were white.

Was he woke?

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[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Was he woke?

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No, he was old-timey. Liked to call Michelle Obama "the negress" and so forth.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

This isn't realistic, but you'd have to start with ending state funding and administration of primaries. If you did that, then the parties would be free to deselect and even expel whomever they wanted. In an ideal world, this would result in four parties: Dems, GOP, Socialists, and, I dunno, Patriot or whatever. Then the Dems and GOP just form an alliance in which they'll agree to support each other for Congressional leadership, and the extremists end up getting elected where they can, but also getting sidelined when it comes to actual governance.

I'm not sure how that works with the presidential election, though. That might be a tough one.

What you're describing sorta, kinda just happened in France in between the 1st and 2nd rounds of the French legislative elections.

Le Pen's party actually got more total votes than any other party. But there was some strategery done between Macron's Ensemble party and the leftist New Popular Front that effectively denied Le Pen's party a governing majority.

But I agree that this isn't realistic here. I honestly don't think our politics will heal until and unless we put some things in our rearview mirror....which is easier said than done.