Godspeed, John McCain
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You didn't make the same argument against Palin!
I didn’t make any argument on here regarding Palin.
I'm not an AOC supporter, but since you can't bring yourself to acknowledge it, I'll note that she's merely 1 of 435 representatives and that her ability level is unfortunately somewhat common in the House. I won't be voting for her.
Meanwhile, Sarah Palin was nominated for Vice President. She was touted as Presidential timber. Did you vote for her?
I don't think you remember right. The Democrats, of course, tried their best to picture McCain in negative light. Isn't that what American politics is today? However, I don't remember him being called racist and every other foul name in the book. That part is reserved for Donald Trump. Of course, you guys did and still do that to Hillary and her emails, and that is 2 years after the election for God's sake!
I learned something through McCain’s funeral arrangements that I have never considered.
I have made a hit list for my wife directing who shouldn’t be allowed at my wake or funeral services. I’ve also told her that at least half my pallbearers will be chosen based on poking my perceived enemies in the eye.
I have made a hit list for my wife directing who shouldn’t be allowed at my wake or funeral services. I’ve also told her that at least half my pallbearers will be chosen based on poking my perceived enemies in the eye.
What norm? It’s likely a high-profile, public affair wholly unlike, say, a funeral for Cousin Ernie. I assume there will be lots of focus on his lifelong commitment to service and people (including public officials) talking about that as much as anything. Given that, it’s only natural he wanted to avoid allowing antagonists to disrupt or distort that theme. And including themed messages around topics like Russia (a topic he committed a portion of his service to) isn’t exactly the same thing as holding a grudge and telling my siblings not to allow Cousin Jud to come because he never brought back the drill set he borrowed. And while I wouldn’t care either way, it’s not “disinviting” if you were never invited to begin with. This all strikes me as painfully obvious.
I am trying not to pay any attention to this circus, but overall it seems very unhero-like for someone that historically showed plenty heroism, modesty and willingness to work across lines. But, if this is how McCain wants to be remembered, that's his own choice and we'll all have to accept that.
I suppose one could look at McCain's years of public service, painful self-sacrifice as a soldier and prisoner-of-war, heroism, modesty, an willingness to work across lines and think that the big difference here is McCain has radically changed after all of these years. It seems more likely that there is something unique and extraordinary here that is outside of McCain driving these results, but I guess your mileage on this may vary from mine.
That could be. I have no idea obviously, but I assume knowing death is coming sooner than later changes your perspective and thoughts. Still, this feels like it is focused around Trump and his disdain for the Orangeman, instead of about John and all that he accomplished and live through.
McCain admitted to having a temper. And it may be a southern thing, I know in my childhood my grandmother would pull out the "don't you come to my funeral" just about every time I misbehaved.
Tell what? I am Hoosier, but my grandparents were from northeast Arkansas (Paragould). My grandfather moved to Indiana to drive mule teams carrying lumber in Brown County.
Epic trolling from the grave. You think Trump is smart enough to pick up on it? Maybe Trump’s boss will let him know.
At death, seems to be the best thing is to forget hate and go with class. I don’t understand the Palin thing at all. No one forced McCain to choose her.
In an earlier post I said I’d never heard of telling people they couldn’t come to your funeral. I was mistaken. A very successful and respected man in our community divorced his wife and married his secretary. When his first wife died years later the son of his second wife arrived at wake to pay his respects. The son was wonderful respectful man. The son and daughter of the deceased had the funeral home personnel escort the son out of the funeral home. Worst thing I ever saw in my life. The son and daughter who did this are still frowned on in the community years later.
And ironically he had a hand in what has now become Trump’s party. Bringing on Palin in 2008 gave rise to the Tea Party. Trump cashes in on their fear and anger and now we have this mess.
There was a good Frontline on the other night about McCain. I assume you can watch it on the pbs website if you missed it.
McCain died of BRAIN cancer. In other words, his mind was ravaged with cancer. His decisions about who attends his funeral need to be seen in that light. Palin maintained her admiration for McCain throughout. That puts her way ahead of her critics in terms of civility.
It's comforting that McCain's funereal instructions might not necessarily eject him from the tribe, because it was just the metastasizing cancer cells in his head that made him reject Trump. But for fatal brain cancer, what dead war hero could possibly reject Trump? The important thing is that Sarah Palin morphed from an ignoramus into a heroic vice presidential candidate then inexplicably back into the ignorant grifter her critics always said she was, all without you ever being wrong.
I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can’t be learned; it’s either something you have or you don’t, and man, she’s got it.
His decisions about his funeral seem to be very well thought out. My guess is he made them with the help of his family, long ago. You really are attributing his decisions about this to his illness?
Not necessarily. But it is a reasonable assumption. Brain cancer affects the mind even before the confirming diagnosis.
Pay attention. I didn’t say anything about Trump. MCCain had at least one very good reason to reject Trump. FWIW I think Trump gets it and his remarks about McCain after his death were very appropriate.
Your experience with brain cancer is markedly different than mine. I've not seen glioblastoma cause people to lose cognitive ability differently in death than other manners of dying.
You don't know yourself, sir. You are talking to someone who is an expert lawyer. And also, an expert philosopher, climate scientist, mathematician, logician, engineer, and, apparently, oncologist/neurologist. Do not deny the raw power and infinite knowledge of
I didn’t say the patient loses cognitive ability, although that might happen. Brain damage from trauma or disease often changes one’s personality and personal relationships. It might intensify existing personality traits. That’s well documented and I’ve seen it in clients and loved ones.
Methinks you need to understand your audience here is not some gullible jury.
Because of his service I choose to give him this benefit of doubt. The amount of meds you are on through these illnesses in itself impede your thought processes. I have no doubt that Trump would not be one of his favorites even if he was perfectly healthy but I doubt the words/actions would be so public. The Palin thing is odd....it sounds like he blamed her for his last loss....
I'm sure the McCain family will be relieved by your willingness to grant him the benefit of doubt, Dr. Hack.
Awe....poor guy.... always looking for an argument aren’t ya? I think that could be said about every post on this thread am I wrong? I doubt they care about anyone’s opinion. But since my response was not to the family....once again swing and missI'm sure the McCain family will be relieved by your willingness to grant him the benefit of doubt, Dr. Hack.
Morning tweets to shift attention away from McCain funeral starting ....
Pointless tweet other than to try and shine attention back onto him during a sombre weekend. What a loathsome human being.
Pointless tweet other than to try and shine attention back onto him during a sombre weekend. What a loathsome human being.
If it quacks like a doctor...I'm sure the McCain family will be relieved by your willingness to grant him the benefit of doubt, Dr. Hack.
I am not sure I would ever put the words 'admire' and 'Trump' in the same sentence.
It's true though. How is he able to hold his infinitely infinite-long Pinocchio nose aloft?
Cruz missed the point in calling Trump a pathological liar. He's a manic liar. It's the manics who have boundless energy.
The symptoms of mania include heightened mood (either euphoric or irritable); flight of ideas and pressure of speech; and increased energy, decreased need for sleep, and hyperactivity. They are most plainly evident in fully developed hypomanic states; in full-blown mania, however, they undergo progressively severe exacerbations and become more and more obscured by other signs and symptoms, such as delusions and fragmentation of behavior
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And which fake dossier was delivered personally to the White House by one John McCain or so they say.
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Read every single one. If you weren’t talking about not inviting Trump to the funeral, then fine - I apologize. But I’m fairly certain you were including Trump’s lack of invitation with that of Palin when using brain cancer to explain McCain’s decisions. Not that you’d ever admit it.
