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If the remaining Republicans are truly patriotic, this should be their red line. This is how we become Belarus. He’s scared. He knows he’s going to lose. He will claim massive mail in vote fraud with no evidence and claim he is entitled to reelection.

Some posters will claim we can’t listen to what Trump actually says. But we must. He’s dead serious here because he has no other path. He’s desperate.

Trump will gladly destroy this country for personal gain. I hope this is even too much for the remaining Republicans. Because if it is not, we are headed for a very bad place.

 
lol at you posting this as if it's some sort of bombshell. He's been saying the same things since 2015. He will never contemplate the possibility of defeat, a lot of narcissists can't. It doesn't mean he's going to have to be dragged out of the White House or wont accept the results of an election or whatever apocalyptic scenario plays out in your Trump fever dreams.
 
lol at you posting this as if it's some sort of bombshell. He's been saying the same things since 2015. He will never contemplate the possibility of defeat, a lot of narcissists can't. It doesn't mean he's going to have to be dragged out of the White House or wont accept the results of an election or whatever apocalyptic scenario plays out in your Trump fever dreams.
He says get rid of the ballots. He says he can't possibly lose the election, unless the Democrats steal it from him. He encourages supporters to vote twice. He claims without evidence that mail-in ballots are rife with fraud. He says he can't commit to a peaceful transition of power. He repeatedly makes statements that undermine public confidence in the election. If you don't think comments like these from a sitting United States president are more than newsworthy and more than alarming, you're delusional.
 
He says get rid of the ballots. He says he can't possibly lose the election, unless the Democrats steal it from him. He encourages supporters to vote twice. He claims without evidence that mail-in ballots are rife with fraud. He says he can't commit to a peaceful transition of power. He repeatedly makes statements that undermine public confidence in the election. If you don't think comments like these from a sitting United States president are more than newsworthy and more than alarming, you're delusional.
I'm beginning to believe that Trump supporters really are a part of a cult that's difficult to break free from.

All of the things you said here should be alarming in and of themselves, but Trump supporters simply revert to their boilerplate responses to anything not completely and utterly flattering of their dear leader. They'll make fun of anyone who points out these legitimate concerns by claiming TDS or putting 'orange man bad' in quotes.

For me the worst of them are the ones that fundamentally know what's going on, but don't care because they're enjoying tax cuts and stock market gains.
 
I'm beginning to believe that Trump supporters really are a part of a cult that's difficult to break free from.

All of the things you said here should be alarming in and of themselves, but Trump supporters simply revert to their boilerplate responses to anything not completely and utterly flattering of their dear leader. They'll make fun of anyone who points out these legitimate concerns by claiming TDS or putting 'orange man bad' in quotes.

For me the worst of them are the ones that fundamentally know what's going on, but don't care because they're enjoying tax cuts and stock market gains.
If they don't care then they absolutely don't give a shit about democracy, because that's what at stake.
 
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If they don't care then they absolutely don't give a shit about democracy, because that's what at stake.
Honestly, I'm not sure they do care about democracy as it's commonly defined. The only problem is I don't think they have any end game in sight for what comes next.

Trump could campaign on being president for life and there would be a relatively large percentage of the population who would vote for him without blinking an eye.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure they do care about democracy as it's commonly defined. The only problem is I don't think they have any end game in sight for what comes next.

Trump could campaign on being president for life and there would be a relatively large percentage of the population who would vote for him without blinking an eye.
A friend of mine is a die-hard lesbian Republican. Served four years in the Coast Guard. Part time work for a fire department. And a full-time paramedic. Probably in her late forties now.

Last election she told me she voted for Trump because he was going to put saying Merry Christmas back into the Christmas season. I showed her a YouTube post of Obama saying Merry Christmas over and over. She shrugged her shoulders and said it was only one vote.
 
The Atlantic has a nice article on how Trump will with the assistance of Republican states steal the election:


December 8 is known as the “safe harbor” deadline for appointing the 538 men and women who make up the Electoral College. The electors do not meet until six days later, December 14, but each state must appoint them by the safe-harbor date to guarantee that Congress will accept their credentials. The controlling statute says that if “any controversy or contest” remains after that, then Congress will decide which electors, if any, may cast the state’s ballots for president.

We are accustomed to choosing electors by popular vote, but nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way. Article II provides that each state shall appoint electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.” Since the late 19th century, every state has ceded the decision to its voters. Even so, the Supreme Court affirmed in Bush v. Gore that a state “can take back the power to appoint electors.” How and when a state might do so has not been tested for well over a century.

Trump may test this. According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure they do care about democracy as it's commonly defined. The only problem is I don't think they have any end game in sight for what comes next.

Trump could campaign on being president for life and there would be a relatively large percentage of the population who would vote for him without blinking an eye.

There are Republicans that oppose that line of autocratic measures- they make up groups like Lincoln Project, Republican Voters Against Trump, never-Trumpers, and so forth. People who are not alarmed and continue to support trump have already shown their disregard for the Rule of Law and contempt for democratic principles. Some people have come to regret the folly of voting for the "failed experiment" in 2016-others continue to delude themselves.
 
It's pretty silly when Trump's campaign is pushing mail/absentee balloting in many states for him to claim those ballots are fraudulent with 0 evidence
 
It's pretty silly when Trump's campaign is pushing mail/absentee balloting in many states for him to claim those ballots are fraudulent with 0 evidence

It’s actually worse than that. This Administration commissioned a voting fraud task force that was disbanded after it couldn’t find voter fraud.

Edit to add Wray piece. There is no voter fraud.

 
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lol at you posting this as if it's some sort of bombshell. He's been saying the same things since 2015. He will never contemplate the possibility of defeat, a lot of narcissists can't. It doesn't mean he's going to have to be dragged out of the White House or wont accept the results of an election or whatever apocalyptic scenario plays out in your Trump fever dreams.
Do you consider yourself a White Nationalist?
 
It’s actually worse than that. This Administration commissioned a voting fraud task force that was disbanded after it couldn’t find voter fraud.

Edit to add Wray piece. There is no voter fraud.

How Wray still has a job is beyond me. He tells the truth and it’s always counter to what Trump (or Barr) has been saying. He told us a couple weeks ago that white hate groups were the biggest threat to domestic terrorism, when the WH was playing up Antifa. And now he says this.

Amazing that Bill Barr hasn’t found an excuse to fire him.
 
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The Atlantic has a nice article on how Trump will with the assistance of Republican states steal the election:
I read that yesterday. Scary. If things aren't decided on election night and it comes down to absentee or mail-ins, the Republicans are going to challenge every single ballot.
 
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I read that yesterday. Scary. If things aren't decided on election night and it comes down to absentee or mail-ins, the Republicans are going to challenge every single ballot.
It just shows what happens when you elect a casino operator to be your president to think anything will ever be on the level. I read Michael Cohen's book and what really stood out to me is how much Cohen said Trump was in awe of Putin because he thinks he is a trillionaire. I could see Trump's squirrel cage spinning thinking that this is the way you to get incredibly rich not by private enterprise but by old fashion corruption.
 
It just shows what happens when you elect a casino operator to be your president to think anything will ever be on the level. I read Michael Cohen's book and what really stood out to me is how much Cohen said Trump was in awe of Putin because he thinks he is a trillionaire. I could see Trump's squirrel cage spinning thinking that this is the way you to get incredibly rich not by private enterprise but by old fashion corruption.
This is likely why he hates Bezos who one day might be a real trillionaire and the most successful businessman in history.
 
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He hates Bezos because he owns the Washington Post. It's not complicated.
Maybe Trump is adopting your proposed strategy of “taking the gloves off”. I suppose on some level you must admire his commitment do what he thinks is right at the expense of ethics considering that’s what you’ve been advocating the Dems do.
 
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Maybe Trump is adopting your proposed strategy of “taking the gloves off”. I suppose on some level you must admire his commitment do what he thinks is right at the expense of ethics considering that’s what you’ve been advocating the Dems do.
Trump has done this for three years plus.

You are speculating that some Democrats might do something, some day some how under some circumstances.

Yep, under your analysis, Trump can never do anything wrong, because you dream that someone you name-call a Democrat might do something somewhere that you arbitrarily label as similar and, in your mind, that excuses anything Trump already definitely did.

But, you know what? Trump is an idiot, Trump will not become a hero, will not become a genius and will not become a respected leader just because people like you can imagine what some hypothetical person elsewhere on the planet may or may not do. And don't smirk or gloat --your posts do not change what Trump is.
 
How Wray still has a job is beyond me. He tells the truth and it’s always counter to what Trump (or Barr) has been saying. He told us a couple weeks ago that white hate groups were the biggest threat to domestic terrorism, when the WH was playing up Antifa. And now he says this.

Amazing that Bill Barr hasn’t found an excuse to fire him.

Another reason for the cult (Profasci) not to believe the FBI is credible since they disagree with the cult leader.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure they do care about democracy as it's commonly defined. The only problem is I don't think they have any end game in sight for what comes next.

Trump could campaign on being president for life and there would be a relatively large percentage of the population who would vote for him without blinking an eye.

For many years I read posters who argued that we weren't a democracy but a republic.

Never quite understood why they were so adament about the difference between a democracy and a republic.

Beginning to think the difference is actually about democracy being too Democrat. Too Democratic in the sense some votes shouldn't count.

In other words, voting shouldn't be too easy.

Stated another way, voting is a privilege for those willing to stand in line and/or astute enough to take advantage of absentee ballots.
 
I think the difference between a democracy and a republic is painfully obvious when you look at the Electoral College. Also when you look at the construction of the US Senate.
 
If the remaining Republicans are truly patriotic, this should be their red line. This is how we become Belarus. He’s scared. He knows he’s going to lose. He will claim massive mail in vote fraud with no evidence and claim he is entitled to reelection.

Some posters will claim we can’t listen to what Trump actually says. But we must. He’s dead serious here because he has no other path. He’s desperate.

Trump will gladly destroy this country for personal gain. I hope this is even too much for the remaining Republicans. Because if it is not, we are headed for a very bad place.


Stop taking the focus off Hunter Biden and Hillary’s emails.
 
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The dangerous disinformation campaign is starting is full. Trump all over Fox saying they threw away Trump votes. DOJ takes two very unusual steps here. First, it provides information about an incomplete investigation. Second, it inventories who was selected on the ballots. With Barr, none of this is surprising.

Please read down the thread to the Freed letter. That’s where it is concluded that this was a mistake and not criminal. Or as one poster likes to say, a big ole nothingburger.

 
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How do boxes of Wisconsin mail end up in a ditch? Another accident?

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Maybe Trump is adopting your proposed strategy of “taking the gloves off”. I suppose on some level you must admire his commitment do what he thinks is right at the expense of ethics considering that’s what you’ve been advocating the Dems do.

When exactly did Trump ever "have the gloves on"? When he was tweeting conspiracy theories about Obama's birth certificate or how the Admin "mismanaged" the epidemics they dealt with circa 2010-2014? Or all the times he claimed Obama "ignored" some imagined crisis to play golf?



Just a friendly hint...If you want to play the "bosides" angle and try to come off as MOR, it might actually lend some credence to your claim if you actually made posts that reflected your "independence", rather than always just attacking the board's "liberals"...

Here's an example, which you may or may not have been guilty of (honestly don't remember)...

It's ridiculous for any GOP member or supporter to criticize 2019 House Democrats for daring to "Impeach" Trump based on precedents that were set in 1994. When GOP members of Congress INSISTED that Clinton AG Appointee Janet Reno appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Clinton's "possible involvement" in the death (suicide) of Vince Foster, then the rules that Trump AG Bill Barr SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED when approached by members of the opposition party to investigate possible Executive Branch malfeasance were basically set in stone.

When Barr failed to do so, he left Dems in the House no choice but to undertake their role as monitors of Executive action on their own. The later hypocrisy and reversals of standards from people like Lindsey Graham and Kenny Starr are just the cherry on top of the sundae comprised of the GOP's reversal of ethics you now accuse the Dems of...

Anyone who is truly "Bosides" would KNOW that...;)
 

I'm not sure why you'd bother to post this- did you even bother to look at what candidate Outagamie Co supported in 2016, and the most likely culprits for committing "mail fraud" there?

We know the overwhelming majority of mail in voters in the Primary and overall people in Wisconsin who SUPPORT/ADVOCATE mail in voting are Dems. So in a county that voted 54-40 for Trump in 2016 who has more reason to try and deprive (likely Dem) mail in votes from being counted? Dems?

Dems want ALL mail in ballots received and counted. More Dems will vote by mail, if for no other reason than Trump is basically admonishing his supporters not to vote by mail.
There is only one candidate and one group of supporters that are trying to keep mail in ballots from being counted.

You inadvertently posted an article that speculates on possible malfeasance and vote suppression by Trump supporters in a Co that went to Trump by 14 pts in 2016. I should have posted this- thanks for picking up my slack...
 
For many years I read posters who argued that we weren't a democracy but a republic.

Never quite understood why they were so adament about the difference between a democracy and a republic.

Beginning to think the difference is actually about democracy being too Democrat. Too Democratic in the sense some votes shouldn't count.

In other words, voting shouldn't be too easy.

Stated another way, voting is a privilege for those willing to stand in line and/or astute enough to take advantage of absentee ballots.

There is a reason many in the GOP feel the right to vote should be limited to "homeowners"...

You've hit the nail on the head here. They'd much rather it be easier to exercise the right to own a gun than it is to exercise the right to vote. I honestly think many on the Right feel there should be "layers" when it comes to what constitutes a Right. I even sense that sentiment among some on this board...
 
I'm not sure why you'd bother to post this- did you even bother to look at what candidate Outagamie Co supported in 2016, and the most likely culprits for committing "mail fraud" there?

We know the overwhelming majority of mail in voters in the Primary and overall people in Wisconsin who SUPPORT/ADVOCATE mail in voting are Dems. So in a county that voted 54-40 for Trump in 2016 who has more reason to try and deprive (likely Dem) mail in votes from being counted? Dems?

Dems want ALL mail in ballots received and counted. More Dems will vote by mail, if for no other reason than Trump is basically admonishing his supporters not to vote by mail.
There is only one candidate and one group of supporters that are trying to keep mail in ballots from being counted.

You inadvertently posted an article that speculates on possible malfeasance and vote suppression by Trump supporters in a Co that went to Trump by 14 pts in 2016. I should have posted this- thanks for picking up my slack...
I posted because it seems odd to me, in the midst of arguments made here about the security and safety of mailing ballots, that these stories about "accidents" keep popping up. Makes ya go 'hmmmm'...
 
I posted because it seems odd to me, in the midst of arguments made here about the security and safety of mailing ballots, that these stories about "accidents" keep popping up. Makes ya go 'hmmmm'...

There will undoubtedly be ballots cast that are go missing, are incorrect, fraudulent, etc. The Democratic position seems to be that the amount of these ballots will be negligible as to the outcome of the election.

The USPS union has already endorsed Biden. I do wonder if Democrats would be comfortable entrusting their ballots to the Police Benevolent Association.
 
When exactly did Trump ever "have the gloves on"? When he was tweeting conspiracy theories about Obama's birth certificate or how the Admin "mismanaged" the epidemics they dealt with circa 2010-2014? Or all the times he claimed Obama "ignored" some imagined crisis to play golf?



Just a friendly hint...If you want to play the "bosides" angle and try to come off as MOR, it might actually lend some credence to your claim if you actually made posts that reflected your "independence", rather than always just attacking the board's "liberals"...

Here's an example, which you may or may not have been guilty of (honestly don't remember)...

It's ridiculous for any GOP member or supporter to criticize 2019 House Democrats for daring to "Impeach" Trump based on precedents that were set in 1994. When GOP members of Congress INSISTED that Clinton AG Appointee Janet Reno appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Clinton's "possible involvement" in the death (suicide) of Vince Foster, then the rules that Trump AG Bill Barr SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED when approached by members of the opposition party to investigate possible Executive Branch malfeasance were basically set in stone.

When Barr failed to do so, he left Dems in the House no choice but to undertake their role as monitors of Executive action on their own. The later hypocrisy and reversals of standards from people like Lindsey Graham and Kenny Starr are just the cherry on top of the sundae comprised of the GOP's reversal of ethics you now accuse the Dems of...

Anyone who is truly "Bosides" would KNOW that...;)
Bingo.
 
I posted because it seems odd to me, in the midst of arguments made here about the security and safety of mailing ballots, that these stories about "accidents" keep popping up. Makes ya go 'hmmmm'...

Mail in voting has a track history of great integrity. The person who will likely lose is the only one trashing this safe system. Don’t be another conduit for disinformation.

 
Mail in voting has a track history of great integrity. The person who will likely lose is the only one trashing this safe system. Don’t be another conduit for disinformation.

That tweet is near-useless. You can't compare the outcomes in states with mail-voting systems in place to what is being rolled out this election season. Nobody has issue with those established systems, or absentee ballots for that matter.
 
Mail in voting has a track history of great integrity. The person who will likely lose is the only one trashing this safe system. Don’t be another conduit for disinformation.

One things for certain we never have had a presidential candidate who challenged the integrity of our voting like Trump...not even someone like Eugene Debs.
 
That tweet is near-useless. You can't compare the outcomes in states with mail-voting systems in place to what is being rolled out this election season. Nobody has issue with those established systems, or absentee ballots for that matter.

Please tell me the difference from absentee ballots and what it is you are so concerned about?
 
Please tell me the difference from absentee ballots and what it is you are so concerned about?
I am skeptical of the security of blind-mailed ballots to voters who don't formally request them. I only takes a few of these 'found caches' to rouse the rabble.

Still, I am not overly concerned. I think there will be more legal challenges this year, but only related to the expanded numbers. I do think only ballots received by election day should be considered.
 
I am skeptical of the security of blind-mailed ballots to voters who don't formally request them. I only takes a few of these 'found caches' to rouse the rabble.

Still, I am not overly concerned. I think there will be more legal challenges this year, but only related to the expanded numbers. I do think only ballots received by election day should be considered.

Thats weird because the stats in the Tweet are for those states that do just that - send ballots to registered voters. Further only 3 states and DC have moved to this system for this election. Five states have been doing this for some time. So you really have nothing to worry about.
  • Eight states, in addition to Washington, DC, will be conducting a primarily vote-by-mail election in November (CA*, CO, DC*, HI, NV*, OR, UT, VT*, WA)
  • 34 states allow voters to request a mail ballots with no excuse (AL*, AK, AR*, AZ, CT*, DE*, FL, GA, ID, IL*, IA*, KS, ME, MA*, MD, MI*, MN, MO*, MT, NE, NH*, NJ, NM, NC, ND, OH*, OK, PA, RI, SD, VA, WV*, WI, WY)
  • Eight states require an excuse to cast a ballot by mail (IN, KY, LA, MS, NY, SC, TN*, TX)
 
I am skeptical of the security of blind-mailed ballots to voters who don't formally request them. I only takes a few of these 'found caches' to rouse the rabble.

Still, I am not overly concerned. I think there will be more legal challenges this year, but only related to the expanded numbers. I do think only ballots received by election day should be considered.
Have you compared (1) the occurrence of mistakes and voter fraud in states voting with mail-in ballots to (2) the occurrence of mistakes and voter fraud in states using in-person voting?

Seems your concerns don't amount to much if both methods generate mistakes and voter fraud at equivalent rates.

Note: there probably are more mistakes and voter fraud with in-person voting than you may realize. In-person voting isn't perfect by a long shot.
 
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And Hillz why should only votes received by Election Day count? If they are postmarked on or before that day they should count. This is a Constitutional right we are talking about. Do you really want to take away someone’s vote because the mail was a day late? And why? Their vote is as valid as any other vote. I say we count all the votes.
 
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