From Athlon, Big 10 Coaches Talk Anonymously About 2018 Conference Foes.
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anyone saying the iu administration doesn't care about fb can't be taken seriously.
Thats the opinion of most that don't follow the program closely. I'm still not sure if IU considers football a bigger thing than basketball. Changing the IU mindset is like...
In most ways I don’t agree with their take. Coaching salaries, however, are still near the bottom of the B1G. Actually I think last I checked Allen’s salary is dead last. Which part of me is ok with because he’s an unproven head coach. But I can see how an outsider could see that and derive that IU still doesn’t care about football.
Yeah, that's a bogus statistic. Allen is an unproven first year head coach. He's not going to get the same money as even a new coach with 2nd tier head coaching experience like Fleck or Brohm. If he succeeds, he'll be well compensated for it.
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Well on the surface, these things are presented as candid insider information and unvarnished truth. HOWEVER, it also seems to be the perfect vehicle to publicly air misinformation with the goal of reinforcing negative recruiting.
One important consideration when looking at coaching salaries, is that yes on AVERAGE, IUs assistants are at the bottom of the conference, but that average is pulled down because we don't have high priced coordinators like other schools do. Allen is still technically the DC, and DeBord's 500k is low end OC money. However, IU has 6 assistants making 300k or more, which is more than Illinois (5), Maryland (5), Minnesota (4), Purdue (4), Rutgers (4).
Allen's decision to hire DeBord could have been a budget limitation, or he may have simply hired the guy a he has a strong relationship with, and he happened to only cost 500k. I happen to go with the latter, because the salaries for the other Allen hires have been comparable, if not higher than typically salaries for the conference.
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The B1G coach who reportedly said "Tom Allen is a good man. A no-nonsense coach stuck in a football program whose administration doesn’t care enough to want to get better" is a douchebag who isn't thinking clearly. Ponder the quote for a second. It appears the anonymous coach is endorsing Allen ("a good man," "a no-nonsense coach") but then, in the next breath, argues that the IU administration "doesn't care enough to want to get better." Well, if IU has hired a good head coach (i.e. Allen), that flies in the face of the claim that the administration has no interest in improving the program. And there's no longer any credible evidence to support the once-true argument that the administration doesn't care about football. All the evidence that I've seen and heard points to the contrary.
Finally, Allen isn't "stuck" in anything. He's about to start just his second year as HC and seems to be thrilled with where he is (I'm assuming the anonymous coach didn't hear Allen's opening remarks in Chicago last week).
All of this makes me wonder if the anonymous coach who provided those comments is an assistant coach (maybe even a coordinator) with an ax to grind.
My assumption is that Athlon interviewed coaches at the B1G media days, which I believe only head coaches attend.
To me, its just negative recruiting to try to perpetuate the "basketball school" designation of IU.
If it were up to accolades from the Big 10 coaches Bill Lynch and Tom Crean would still be coaching. But it is summer and I appreciate the articles.
But there is that nagging history, ask DiNardo or Corso or
any of the fired AD's
Why can't the two statements be separate? Stating that Allen is a good man, and a no nonsense coach is making a statement about who he is. Stating that the IU administration doesn't care enough to want to get better is a separate argument about how this coach views the IU administration regarding its treatment of football.
I'm sure the IU Administration has a similar view of Allen being a good man, and a no nonsense coach, but that doesn't imply that their treatment of the football program is anything more than what it has been in the past. Would your perception be different if the IU administration hired Saban? Wouldn't that imply to a greater level that the IU administration was more seriously committed to building a strong football program?
If Allen's successful (and I truly hope he is) the IU Administration wins, but that doesn't change the notion that they are somehow anymore supportive of the football program with his hire.
IUs commitment is better but they’ve historically run well off the back of the pack, so catching up a little still makes them lag way back compared to most of the others. What’s IUs football record since Fred Glass has been AD? Doubt many if any P5 ADs would survive 10 years with that kind of performance.
Let's clear one thing up immediately. No top tier college football head coach would consider an offer from IU, irrespective of money, so the Saban hypothetical is kind of silly.
Let's flip things around. What evidence do you have to support the argument that the current IU administration "doesn't care enough to want to get better?"
P.S. Do you think the comments came from Dantonio? (lol). Seems like the administration at MSU should have more important concerns these days than winning football games.
No national coaching search, one of the smallest stadiums in the conference, only school with a shared weight room with other teams, one of the smallest assistant coaching salary pools, etc etc.
If you don’t follow any other programs you don’t realize just how far behind we are. It’s like describing being wet to a fish.
I don’t think the football team shares the weight room anymore. Although I could be wrong.
How is it widening...We just finished the SEZ and are getting ready to start the Terry Tallen Complex. Where is the gap?
Every program is doing projects like this. The Big Ten Network money is just pouring in by the tens of millions. Everyone has to spend it.
Be more specific...Your vague points get old. I can show you the 100 illion Colorado spent and where they spent it but thats not in conference. Show me links.
We’d never do something as obvious as that. I wish we had that commitment though.
Not one of those mentioned the 53 million IU just spent on the south end zone. Nor did it mention the new Tallen project for the 25,000 sq. ft. locker room renovation. Just what is it you want? IU cant even fill the stadium and you want more? If IU started competing at top 10 levels for a few years you might get your wish. Until then it is what it is. They are spending plenty.
My point is others are spending and doing even more. So the gap is widening not shrinking.
If you really break it down, that's not really the case.
Rutgers has by for the worst facilities on the conference, and have new nothing planned.
Michigan and Iowa are probably the class of the BT in regards to facilities - large, new (or newly remodeled), and football only - they are probably the only ones to widen the gap
The biggest upgrades that have been completed or are planned are:
Northwestern, Maryland, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois. All needed huge upgrades costing big money because they were vastly behind IU and the rest of the conference. Northwestern has an amazing facility (though predominantly because of location and windows that take advantage of it). However, like Maryland's facility, it is something that is to be shared by all sports. Not only that, but NW and Maryland are going to be sharing their facilities with campus Rec/intramural sports. Minnesota's has plenty of football only space, but is contained in a much larger all-sports facility. Overall nice, but nothing special.
Purdue and Illinois have spent or are spending 65 and 80 million respectively and the only thing they will get over what IU has is a football only weight room. They needed huge new and expensive buildings because they lacked things like team meeting rooms and single occupancy offices for assistant coaches - things that IU has had for 10 years, and is planning to upgrade in the next year. Plus the space IU already has looks superior to what Purdue/Illinois have/will have, so assuming the right aesthetic touches are added to upgrades, IU will come out ahead. Plus, I can't state this enough, the locker room Purdue built in their new facility is so far away from the stadium, that they don't even use it for pre-game and halftime.
PSU has remodeled, and OSU is currently remodeling, nice football only facilities. Though both have certain limitations. Both were originally built 20+ years ago, and were considered massive when they were built. Though are rather modest in size, especially PSU, by current standards because they somewhat constrained by other buildings and can't expand in size. Both are also a long distance from the stadium, which means players don't really get to see or use their marquee stadium on a regular basis. IU is closing the gap here, and with the exception of a football only weight room, IU will probably be really close to PSU next year.
Nebraska remodeled/expanded about 7 or 8 years ago, and had some great facilities at the time, but have fallen off because they haven't done anything since. MSU added a really nice atrium/museum to their facility a few years ago, but along with Nebraska their facilities are sort of bland by today's standards, and IU will probably be ahead of them next year with the exception of a football only weight room.
As far as I can tell, by this time next year, Wisconsin will only be ahead of Rutgers in terms of training facilities. They do have a non-football weight room, but their main weight room which I believe is in a basement with no windows, is still shared with other sports, and their team meeting rooms are also shared with other sports.
How big of a deal are these football only facilities?
Are they a big recruiting advantage?
Was in Oklahoma on business, one of the reps grandson. Is being recruited pretty hard, he said you can't believe the things that are used to negative recruit. Winning, coaching, and facilities are the big three. Then you get into academics, location and contacts after graduation.
So if CTA is smart he brings the new recruits by the weight room as the women's soccer team is just finishing up working out...
Exactly. So why give the opposition any ammunition by not ensuring the football team has its own facility? IU has had the money to build one, it just chose to make the NEZ and SEZ all-sports facilities.
the volleyball team would be even better.So if CTA is smart he brings the new recruits by the weight room as the women's soccer team is just finishing up working out...
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