Four to six players in the 2020 class....

[SouthBendJim]

From CAM's Evansville talk: "Miller surprised some people in the room when he stated the Hoosiers could end up adding "four to six players" to the roster from the 2020 class."

Little surprised at this statement. I know we have 2 commits, 2 open scholarships and 2 grads next year (for a total of 6), but I didn't think (from what I've read here) that the 2020 class was that strong. Thought we were saving a couple of spots for 2021, such as Caleb Furst.

Who else would be going after in the 2020 class that we would be using up all 6 scholarships for?

Also inferring from that statement that we won't be adding anybody this year, especially a grad transfer.

 

[TR32]

4 is not a surprise. Saying he might take 6, when 2021 target Kristian Lander is sitting right in front of him, seems difficult to make sense of.

He needs at least one big guy for the 2020 class, and that would make 3. Take a forward to get to 4, then save the other 2 for Lander and Furst. Unless we are back to Crean ball where guys start leaving after 3 years. I don't expect that though.

 

[cryano]

When your job is on the line - you start selling HOPE...

And many Archie Apologists would believe he should ‘see it through’ w the six recruits he hauled in...highly ranked or not...and extend the experiment another 3+ years

 

[iubirdman]

[QUOTE="SouthBendJim, post:

Little surprised at this statement. I know we have 2 commits, 2 open scholarships and 2 grads next year (for a total of 6), but I didn't think (from what I've read here) that the 2020 class was that strong. Thought we were saving a couple of spots for 2021, such as Caleb Furst.

Who else would be going after in the 2020 class that we would be using up all 6 scholarships for?"

Redo your math. We have 11 on scholarship now, Green and Davis graduate, that means if there are no departures we can take 4, 2 of them already accounted for. To get to 6 we would need 2 xfers

 

[ufo33]

Must keep IU schollie open for Lander and Furst.

 

[TommyCracker]

Makes me wonder if he thinks TJD is a one and done.

He beasted at the Indy Pro am this summer....maybe he's going nuts in practice hopefully?

Maybe he thinks Hunter won't be cleared?

Maybe he thinks Al or Justin will choose to be a grad transfer?

Maybe he thinks Damize is on the fence?

Makes you wonder.

 

[hondo314]

When your job is on the line - you start selling HOPE...

And many Archie Apologists would believe he should ‘see it through’ w the six recruits he hauled in...highly ranked or not...and extend the experiment another 3+ years

Dumbest thing I’ve seen in awhile. Thanks!

 

[iubud]

From CAM's Evansville talk: "Miller surprised some people in the room when he stated the Hoosiers could end up adding "four to six players" to the roster from the 2020 class."

Little surprised at this statement. I know we have 2 commits, 2 open scholarships and 2 grads next year (for a total of 6), but I didn't think (from what I've read here) that the 2020 class was that strong. Thought we were saving a couple of spots for 2021, such as Caleb Furst.

Who else would be going after in the 2020 class that we would be using up all 6 scholarships for?

Also inferring from that statement that we won't be adding anybody this year, especially a grad transfer.

I took it more as a statement of the state of college basketball with grad transfers, players transferring and early entries into the NBA.

 

[IUINSB]

Dumbest thing I’ve seen in awhile. Thanks!

Not even close.
See "Archie at Harrison High School" thread.

 

[TR32]

Must keep IU schollie open for Lander and Furst.

2 remain open now, then 3 more open up before Furst or Lander would set foot on campus.

 

[TR32]

Makes me wonder if he thinks TJD is a one and done.

He beasted at the Indy Pro am this summer....maybe he's going nuts in practice hopefully?

Maybe he thinks Hunter won't be cleared?

Maybe he thinks Al or Justin will choose to be a grad transfer?

Maybe he thinks Damize is on the fence?

Makes you wonder.

I doubt he meant 6 in 2020. It makes no sense.
The last thing he would want to do is trade 2 potential senior starters for freshmen.

 

[IndyResident16]

When your job is on the line - you start selling HOPE...

And many Archie Apologists would believe he should ‘see it through’ w the six recruits he hauled in...highly ranked or not...and extend the experiment another 3+ years

You seem extra cranky since the Jerome Hunter news broke.

 

[hondo314]

You seem extra cranky since the Jerome Hunter news broke.

#anchorclass

 

[Eurocyldon]

We do spend a lot of time on this topic. Maybe it should be in a running banner for all to see.

We know Archie does not fill all of his scholarships so when he says 4 to 6 it's a greater chance of being 4 and he already has 2 of them. Getting to 6 would mean some very good recruits end up at IU - perhaps someone not on our radar or not considered an IU lean. It could be a reclassification from the next class.

Here is what we know - The following are likely, if not guaranteed:

* At the end of this season, if not at some point during, someone will leave the IU program.

* At the end of this season, if not at some point during, a coach somewhere will be fired and some quality players will become available if you have a scholarship to offer

*At the end of this season a quality grad transfer will be available if you have a scholarship to offer

 

[mushroomgod_1]

We do spend a lot of time on this topic. Maybe it should be in a running banner for all to see.

We know Archie does not fill all of his scholarships so when he says 4 to 6 it's a greater chance of being 4 and he already has 2 of them. Getting to 6 would mean some very good recruits end up at IU - perhaps someone not on our radar or not considered an IU lean. It could be a reclassification from the next class.

Here is what we know - The following are likely, if not guaranteed:

* At the end of this season, if not at some point during, someone will leave the IU program.

* At the end of this season, if not at some point during, a coach somewhere will be fired and some quality players will become available if you have a scholarship to offer

*At the end of this season a quality grad transfer will be available if you have a scholarship to offer

I could see 5 if we had 4 and Garcia became available at the end of the recruiting season.

 

[cshartle123]

You always want as many guys as possible. He knows he will ultimately end up with two or three.

 

[ufo33]

IU needs a Big for 2020, Garcia or Loveday, I like Garcia's game.

 

[GregHaggard]

IU needs a Big for 2020, Garcia or Loveday, I like Garcia's game.

Ditto man...........Garcia is better than advertised.

 

[SIhoosier26]

If he's just going after the top guys he really wants then I have no problem with it. If we end up adding guys just to fill spots (like Tom Crean) then that would he a mistake.

Personally I would save a few scholarships for next season as I think a good season could open up further possibilities in recruiting, especially with the loaded 2021 class.

 

[Al Bino]

If he's just going after the top guys he really wants then I have no problem with it. If we end up adding guys just to fill spots (like Tom Crean) then that would he a mistake.

Personally I would save a few scholarships for next season as I think a good season could open up further possibilities in recruiting, especially with the loaded 2021 class.

Has he added "guys just to fill spots" yet?

My answer would be no so I see no reason he would start now.

 

[SIhoosier26]

Has he added "guys just to fill spots" yet?

My answer would be no so I see no reason he would start now.

Has he filled all 4-6 scholarships yet? At least read my post before you go into Archie defense mode, I never said he has or would. Stop acting like you're 10 years old and have a grown up discussion.

I'm just saying I don't want to add guys just to add them, I want to save some spots for the 2021 class. If we have a good season next year, who knows what type of prospect might be available to us at that time. We know Furst and Lander are going to be the top priorities, but I wouldn't mind having a few extra scholarships available and go for a "home run" type class.

 

[minneman]

Has he filled all 4-6 scholarships yet? At least read my post before you go into Archie defense mode, I never said he has or would. Stop acting like you're 10 years old and have a grown up discussion.

I'm just saying I don't want to add guys just to add them, I want to save some spots for the 2021 class. If we have a good season next year, who knows what type of prospect might be available to us at that time. We know Furst and Lander are going to be the top priorities, but I wouldn't mind having a few extra scholarships available and go for a "home run" type class.

I know the '21 class is loaded in IN but do you know how the overall class is viewed compared to '20? I haven't seen anything on that. The thinking that getting a few highly ranked players from out of state in '20 would be preferable to saving the scholarships for similar or lower ranked IN players in '21. That could because he thinks they would be of the same or higher caliber as the players he'd possibly get in '21 or just that they'd have a season of experience rather than being freshmen the next year.

 

[Al Bino]

Has he filled all 4-6 scholarships yet? At least read my post before you go into Archie defense mode, I never said he has or would. Stop acting like you're 10 years old and have a grown up discussion.

I'm just saying I don't want to add guys just to add them, I want to save some spots for the 2021 class. If we have a good season next year, who knows what type of prospect might be available to us at that time. We know Furst and Lander are going to be the top priorities, but I wouldn't mind having a few extra scholarships available and go for a "home run" type class.

LOL. I read your post and I am not the one in ten year old mode.

And I am not in "Archie defense mode" either. I merely asked and answered a simple question, has he pulled a Crean yet?

There was nothing in your post about 4-6 ships. Who is in defense mode?

We have two open spots this year. He did not add anyone simply to fill scholarships unlike the previous regime. He had open schollys at Dayton. I think that is the way he rolls. Recruiting with purpose and a plan.

The second paragraph of this post was reasonable without the histrionics of your first paragraph.

 

[ufo33]

LOL. I read your post and I am not the one in ten year old mode.

And I am not in "Archie defense mode" either. I merely asked and answered a simple question, has he pulled a Crean yet?

There was nothing in your post about 4-6 ships. Who is in defense mode?

We have two open spots this year. He did not add anyone simply to fill scholarships unlike the previous regime. He had open schollys at Dayton. I think that is the way he rolls. Recruiting with purpose and a plan.

The second paragraph of this post was reasonable without the histrionics of your first paragraph.

I think Archie's recruiting strategy is more for long term gain and stability that Crean's good class followed by weaker classes with scholarship players that never played. IU has to let Archie have through the 2021 loaded in-state class to get his guys into his system. Archie is more of a system coach than a one and done only recruiting coach or a Crean who never controlled 2 keys to winning consistently, Defense and Low Turnovers. I personally like Archie's style of play, and his Inside-Out recruiting strategy!

 

[jimmygoiu]

Has he added "guys just to fill spots" yet?

My answer would be no so I see no reason he would start now.

I think that Forrester ended up being that "fill the spots guy". I also believe that JF would have helped us as a role player as a jr/sr, as he is a legit D1 player. That being said, I am ok with him leaving to get closer to home, etc. IU, under Archie, has recruited players that are legit high level bball players. Cream was awful in extending schollies to players that were not even close to high level D1 players. Jobe, Muniru, Copabianco, Jurkin, Priller, April, and the Fightin' Corn Dog, Grant Gelon were NOT close to the level that IU needed-and I could name several more. Archie is recruiting wonderfully, and I am confident that he is building a sustainable program.

 

[cryano]

I think that Forrester ended up being that "fill the spots guy". I also believe that JF would have helped us as a role player as a jr/sr, as he is a legit D1 player. That being said, I am ok with him leaving to get closer to home, etc. IU, under Archie, has recruited players that are legit high level bball players. Cream was awful in extending schollies to players that were not even close to high level D1 players. Jobe, Muniru, Copabianco, Jurkin, Priller, April, and the Fightin' Corn Dog, Grant Gelon were NOT close to the level that IU needed-and I could name several more. Archie is recruiting wonderfully, and I am confident that he is building a sustainable program.

You showed Crean had mistaken 7 guys in 9 years...including Copabianco...

It’s not that different than Archie’s failures/transfers. Take the blinders off.


I dont mind Moore, Forrester, and Vijay leaving too much either...but Crean didn’t experience at a different rate...so don’t act like Archie is doing things differently...

 

[jimmygoiu]

You showed Crean had mistaken 7 guys in 9 years...including Copabianco...

It’s not that different than Archie’s failures/transfers. Take the blinders off.


I dont mind Moore, Forrester, and Vijay leaving too much either...but Crean didn’t experience at a different rate...so don’t act like Archie is doing things differently...

I really think you are just trolling. You are comparing Forrester to the above seven? lol

 

[minneman]

You showed Crean had mistaken 7 guys in 9 years...including Copabianco...

It’s not that different than Archie’s failures/transfers. Take the blinders off.


I dont mind Moore, Forrester, and Vijay leaving too much either...but Crean didn’t experience at a different rate...so don’t act like Archie is doing things differently...

I don't think I've ever seen someone complain as much as you do about a walk-on transferring. Especially one that transferred in from an NAIA and then left for a DII school. I think maybe your expectations for him were unreasonable since you seem very upset about it and have been complaining for months about him leaving and the other walk-ons graduating. You say you don't mind him leaving but you're about the only one that ever even mentions it.

 

[cryano]

I don't think I've ever seen someone complain as much as you do about a walk-on transferring. Especially one that transferred in from an NAIA and then left for a DII school. I think maybe your expectations for him were unreasonable since you seem very upset about it and have been complaining for months about him leaving and the other walk-ons graduating. You say you don't mind him leaving but you're about the only one that ever even mentions it.

Ok...Creaning is ok for Archie...

 

[SIhoosier26]

There was nothing in your post about 4-6 ships. Who is in defense mode?

Did you read the thread topic? Archie said he was looking to add 4-6 players in this class, I was just saying that if we're going to add that many they need to be quality players.

I'm not a huge fan of the oversigning to begin with, especially with 3 of the top 50 prospects in the 2021 class residing in Indiana. Archie NEEDS to land at least 2 of them.

 

[PranksterMary]

I think that Forrester ended up being that "fill the spots guy". I also believe that JF would have helped us as a role player as a jr/sr, as he is a legit D1 player. That being said, I am ok with him leaving to get closer to home, etc. IU, under Archie, has recruited players that are legit high level bball players. Cream was awful in extending schollies to players that were not even close to high level D1 players. Jobe, Muniru, Copabianco, Jurkin, Priller, April, and the Fightin' Corn Dog, Grant Gelon were NOT close to the level that IU needed-and I could name several more. Archie is recruiting wonderfully, and I am confident that he is building a sustainable program.

On what basis have you determined JF to be “a legit D1 player”?

 

[minneman]

Ok...Creaning is ok for Archie...

Creaning was forcing scholarship players out to free up scholarships for the incoming class. How is a walk-on (Vijay Blackmon) transferring anything even remotely close to that? Yet here you are complaining about him leaving now insinuating he was Creaned. This is hilarious.

 

[IndyResident16]

I don't think I've ever seen someone complain as much as you do about a walk-on transferring. Especially one that transferred in from an NAIA and then left for a DII school. I think maybe your expectations for him were unreasonable since you seem very upset about it and have been complaining for months about him leaving and the other walk-ons graduating. You say you don't mind him leaving but you're about the only one that ever even mentions it.

“But how are they going to practice?????”
-Cryano probably

 

[hondo314]

Ok...Creaning is ok for Archie...

You just don’t get what Creaning truly is. Sad...

 

[TommyCracker]

The expert consensus is that Archie overstated publicly on purpose because he's currently recruiting a bunch of dudes and has future visits lined up with two already committed.

 

[jimmygoiu]

On what basis have you determined JF to be “a legit D1 player”?

Rivals ranked JF #131 and a 4 star player. JF had 26 scholarship offers, including Auburn, Minn, Notre Dame, Temple and Xavier. JF is a high energy player with athleticism. JF held his own in the limited games that he did get in. JF transferred to Temple, an AAC school with rich basketball higher level D1 tradition. JF transferred for playing time and to be much closer to home.

The 7 players that Crean recruited- Jobe, Muniru, Copabianco, Jurkin, Priller, April, and the Fightin' Corn Dog, Grant Gelon were NOT close to that level.

 

[PranksterMary]

Rivals ranked JF #131 and a 4 star player. JF had 26 scholarship offers, including Auburn, Minn, Notre Dame, Temple and Xavier. JF is a high energy player with athleticism. JF held his own in the limited games that he did get in. JF transferred to Temple, an AAC school with rich basketball higher level D1 tradition. JF transferred for playing time and to be much closer to home.

The 7 players that Crean recruited- Jobe, Muniru, Copabianco, Jurkin, Priller, April, and the Fightin' Corn Dog, Grant Gelon were NOT close to that level.

So, rankings, offers and where he transferred? That makes him “legit”? Lol

 

[jimmygoiu]

Ok...Creaning is ok for Archie...

Crean had 19 transfers in his 9 years, and Archie has had 1 in two years. Archie has never oversigned, Crean was addicted to oversigning. I am not counting walk-ons leaving the program-Crean had NINETEEN scholarship players transfer. I left CMoore out of the mix of transfers, as Crean had signed him. I also left out the mass exodus when Crean took the job, as six players left the team.

 

[jimmygoiu]

So, rankings, offers and where he transferred? That makes him “legit”? Lol

Yes, the above plus the fact that he is a highenergy, athletic player that contributed when he was on the court. Temple thought enough of him to rerecruit him after he transferred. JF is a legit D1 player, and is light years ahead of the Crean 7.