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So much for Biden’s great bill. Now set back and watch prices increase by the tax increase Joe is putting on corporations.

The EV credit is a tax rebate for wealthier individuals. It wasn’t needed considering there isn’t enough supply of EV cars on the market.
 
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The EV credit is a tax rebate for wealthier individuals. It wasn’t needed considering there isn’t enough supply of EV cars on the market.
Well duh… DC bills and new laws have nothing to do with what’s “needed”, it’s all about signaling some form of virtue de jure. It’s all a shell game that we keep playing.
propose a bill called “DC gets special privilege” if it gets defeated, rename it “DC doesn’t get special privileges “ but never change even one word from the original bill. We will all argue our support (of one, not the other) to the death! And they both empower the swamp to the exact same, Romney/ mcmurty66 shit.
 
The EV credit is a tax rebate for wealthier individuals. It wasn’t needed considering there isn’t enough supply of EV cars on the market.

The credit now only applies to those who make less than 300k jointly, which is not chump change, but not extremely rich, especially in some major metro areas.

But the reality is most EV's are about 60k with the sales tax. That's a $1000/ mo payment.
 
The credit now only applies to those who make less than 300k jointly, which is not chump change, but not extremely rich, especially in some major metro areas.

But the reality is most EV's are about 60k with the sales tax. That's a $1000/ mo payment.
Wife just bought a new 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV for about 35k (admittedly with a 6k rebate that was currently going on). We are going to be paying about $550 a month.
 
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Wife just bought a new 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV for about 35k (admittedly with a 6k rebate that was currently going on). We are going to be paying about $550 a month.
Just curious, what do you estimate the savings in gasoline will be to offset some of payment?
 
Just curious, what do you estimate the savings in gasoline will be to offset some of payment?
Honestly not sure yet. My wife was gassing up about every 10 days in her Toyota Hybrid Rav 4 (11.5 gallons) before, but that was when she was chauffeuring my son around to Boy Scouts, Aikido lessons, Marching Band practices, Robotics Club, clarinet lessons, generic school functions, and swimming league (yes, all of those things at the same time). The boy just got his license though, so he is inheriting the RAV 4 and the wife gets the new car. We still have the other son who has Boy Scouts, Kickboxing, Gymnastics, and trombone lessons, so she'll still put on some miles, but not just as much before.

Long story short, assuming about half the driving has gone away, she still would have filled up about 20 times a year for about $850 in gas (as in, previously we were spending $1700 a year). Rough estimates for electricity usage for 300 miles of travel (one tank in the RAV4), the same travel will cost us about $127 of electricity (@ the new 20 times a year). So, I'm thinking about $700 a year savings. Just is really going to depend how much less we use it now that son #1 is driving himself.

We were looking at beater cars, but couldn't find anything under 25k that didn't have at least 60,000 miles on it already. Car lots (both new and used) are just EMPTY right now. So we ended up deciding to get the new car for the wife (RAV4 was just paid off a couple of months ago, has about 50K miles). This way son #1 should have a car that will get him through college without too much worry about break-downs / maintenance.
 
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While making sure you’re offsetting the gas savings with the additional electricity required to charge. And the damned near-certainty that charging stations in public will stop being complimentary.
The good news is that we probably wont be making too many large trips in that car, so it looks like we should be able to use the home charger for everything. The Bolt EUV has a range of about 300 miles.
We haven't even had the charger installed yet and have just been running off of a 120v line. She has yet to get it under 70% charge in the 20 days we've had it so far.
 
So much for Biden’s great bill. Now set back and watch prices increase by the tax increase Joe is putting on corporations.

Gotta pay for those seat belt recalls somehow. That's just as plausible an explanation as yours. Doesn't fit your preferred political narrative though, which is why you jumped in with your hot take.

smh
 
The reason the prices are increasing is....because they can!

It's a supply and demand thing. The EV's here in the Columbus, OH area are literally only lasting on the lots for a couple of days before someone buys them.

Supposedly there are a bunch en-route, but are stuck on container ships in customs right now.
 
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The reason the prices are increasing is....because they!

It's a supply and demand thing. The EV's here in the Columbus, OH area are literally only lasting on the lots for a couple of days before someone buys them.

Supposedly there are a bunch en-route, but are stuck on container ships in customs right now.
I agree, which is why there isn’t a need for the government to create more demand when the market can’t even meet current demand.
 
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The reason the prices are increasing is....because they can!

It's a supply and demand thing. The EV's here in the Columbus, OH area are literally only lasting on the lots for a couple of days before someone buys them.

Supposedly there are a bunch en-route, but are stuck on container ships in customs right now.
Don’t use tricky terms like “supply and demand” around here.
 
Gotta pay for those seat belt recalls somehow. That's just as plausible an explanation as yours. Doesn't fit your preferred political narrative though, which is why you jumped in with your hot take.

smh
Damn I thought we were starting to meet half way.
 
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Honestly not sure yet. My wife was gassing up about every 10 days in her Toyota Hybrid Rav 4 (11.5 gallons) before, but that was when she was chauffeuring my son around to Boy Scouts, Aikido lessons, Marching Band practices, Robotics Club, clarinet lessons, generic school functions, and swimming league (yes, all of those things at the same time). The boy just got his license though, so he is inheriting the RAV 4 and the wife gets the new car. We still have the other son who has Boy Scouts, Kickboxing, Gymnastics, and trombone lessons, so she'll still put on some miles, but not just as much before.

Long story short, assuming about half the driving has gone away, she still would have filled up about 20 times a year for about $850 in gas (as in, previously we were spending $1700 a year). Rough estimates for electricity usage for 300 miles of travel (one tank in the RAV4), the same travel will cost us about $127 of electricity (@ the new 20 times a year). So, I'm thinking about $700 a year savings. Just is really going to depend how much less we use it now that son #1 is driving himself.

We were looking at beater cars, but couldn't find anything under 25k that didn't have at least 60,000 miles on it already. Car lots (both new and used) are just EMPTY right now. So we ended up deciding to get the new car for the wife (RAV4 was just paid off a couple of months ago, has about 50K miles). This way son #1 should have a car that will get him through college without too much worry about break-downs / maintenance.
MrsSope has a 2017 Rav4 hybrid, and I liked it . . . so much so that I bought a 2020 CRV hybrid. She gets about 33 actual miles to the gallon, and I get about 35/36 (though the gauge shows I'm getting about 37 - it's more marketing than actual).

The only thing I don't like is that the engine lacks power on long hills, like Monteagle. But those are few and far between in our driving . . . the takeoff from stoplights and stop signs is quick because of the torque.

If I were looking today, I'd check out the Ford Maverick hybrid pickup truck. 1500 lbs. payload, and 42 mpg city.
 
The EV credit is a tax rebate for wealthier individuals. It wasn’t needed considering there isn’t enough supply of EV cars on the market.
I bought an EV in January and the tax credit was certainly part of my decision-making process. So, yes, the tax credit does what it is intended to do.
 
I bought an EV in January and the tax credit was certainly part of my decision-making process. So, yes, the tax credit does what it is intended to do.
Did the tax credit make the difference between buying an electric vs. a comparable conventional?
 
Who's this "we" you're referring to? Seems like you want me to do all the meeting, and halfway is where you want me to think you are.

I was born in the mornin', but not yesterday mornin' . . . Pfffffftttttt . . . .
Okay. I guess it was a wasted effort if that’s what you think.
 
I bought an EV in January and the tax credit was certainly part of my decision-making process. So, yes, the tax credit does what it is intended to do.
Which EV did you purchase? I’ve been talking to my local Ford Dealer about a new Explorer. They can’t give me an estimate when they might have one available.
 
Which EV did you purchase? I’ve been talking to my local Ford Dealer about a new Explorer. They can’t give me an estimate when they might have one available.

My daughters best friends mom was just saying that she ordered a new Explorer four months ago and they still don't have any idea when it's coming in.

She went looking around at other dealers but its the same everywhere she said. No one has them new.
 
My daughters best friends mom was just saying that she ordered a new Explorer four months ago and they still don't have any idea when it's coming in.

She went looking around at other dealers but its the same everywhere she said. No one has them new.
I may not be remembering correctly but I think my local dealer said he had to pay a $50,000 fee to Ford for eligibility to received EVs to sell. He wasn’t real thrilled. He thinks it will take a long time to recover the fee. I could be wrong on the fee. I think it was $50,000 but it might be $40,000.
 
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I may not be remembering correctly but I think my local dealer said he had to pay a $50,000 fee to Ford for eligibility to received EVs to sell. He wasn’t real thrilled. He thinks it will take a long time to recover the fee. I could be wrong on the fee. I think it was $50,000 but it might be $40,000.

That I have no idea on part.

I just know she told me she was going car shopping because she's been waiting for so long when she dropped off her daughter for a play date.

Four months is crazy ridiculous.
 
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Which EV did you purchase? I’ve been talking to my local Ford Dealer about a new Explorer. They can’t give me an estimate when they might have one available.
Kia Niro EV. I got lucky to get one that was delivered but not already sold.
 
Did the tax credit make the difference between buying an electric vs. a comparable conventional?
I guess it did in some ways. I really wanted to go to electric on my next car so I was headed in that direction. The cost of EVs is a bit pricier than the comparable fuel-based cars, so getting the tax credit makes the decision to go electric easier. I would assume that EVs will eventually be more cost-competitive. I really enjoy the car. It's quick, smooth, and quiet. I get 250 miles on a full charge and put a fast charging station in our garage so it takes very little time to charge.
 
I may not be remembering correctly but I think my local dealer said he had to pay a $50,000 fee to Ford for eligibility to received EVs to sell. He wasn’t real thrilled. He thinks it will take a long time to recover the fee. I could be wrong on the fee. I think it was $50,000 but it might be $40,000.

I'm guessing he had to pay for required service equipment, tools, and training, and possibly a mandatory inventory of EV related service parts. But that's just me guessing. It's been a long time since I was in a dealership environment and things have changed.
 
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MrsSope has a 2017 Rav4 hybrid, and I liked it . . . so much so that I bought a 2020 CRV hybrid. She gets about 33 actual miles to the gallon, and I get about 35/36 (though the gauge shows I'm getting about 37 - it's more marketing than actual).

The only thing I don't like is that the engine lacks power on long hills, like Monteagle. But those are few and far between in our driving . . . the takeoff from stoplights and stop signs is quick because of the torque.

If I were looking today, I'd check out the Ford Maverick hybrid pickup truck. 1500 lbs. payload, and 42 mpg city.
On the Maverick. I ordered mine almost 10 months ago. No build date. Im going to get rolled over to model year 2023 in mid September. Im not sure when I’ll get the truck. So, I wouldn’t order one if you actually need a car in the next 12-18 months.
 
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On the Maverick. I ordered mine almost 10 months ago. No build date. Im going to get rolled over to model year 2023 in mid September. Im not sure when I’ll get the truck. So, I wouldn’t order one if you actually need a car in the next 12-18 months.
Did you have to put down a deposit?
 
Which EV did you purchase? I’ve been talking to my local Ford Dealer about a new Explorer. They can’t give me an estimate when they might have one available.
Not a derail or meant other than just basic FYI. In 2014 I went and ordered a new Jeep. They couldn't tell me a production schedule or even make an attempt to appear to give two shitz since I wasn't buying a Jeep from the lot and driving home that day.
As someone that is in sales, I also only get paid after my customer receives their goods AND THEN after they actually pay the invoice. I (and I bet car people on orders are the same) often finally get a pay check, for my efforts 10-12-14 months after I make the deal.
Which customer do you think I enjoy the most, the one that will order from my inventory or the equipment with a 7 month lead time? I regularly hold $1.75-$3mill on "my books" waiting to be paid for it for months.
Like I said, this is just an FYI, not a side.
 
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Kia Niro EV. I got lucky to get one that was delivered but not already sold.
I like KIA vehicles. People that I know with their vehicles have been pleased. Were you able to buy for sticker price?
 
I guess it did in some ways. I really wanted to go to electric on my next car so I was headed in that direction. The cost of EVs is a bit pricier than the comparable fuel-based cars, so getting the tax credit makes the decision to go electric easier. I would assume that EVs will eventually be more cost-competitive. I really enjoy the car. It's quick, smooth, and quiet. I get 250 miles on a full charge and put a fast charging station in our garage so it takes very little time to charge.
How much did fast charging station cost?
 
How much did fast charging station cost?
I know for my wife's Bolt, when you buy a new one, installation of a lvl2 charging station in your home is free as long as it is a "standard" installation. The installer is coming next week.

Standard installation means space in your electrical panel, relatively easy path of wiring from panel to charging station location, and sufficient capacity to the house. IF something is non standard, Chevy covers first $1000.

Worst case (ie, something like having to dig a new line to your house from the transformer), it can run you about $5000 (or so I've seen online, but those might be horror stories).
 
I know for my wife's Bolt, when you buy a new one, installation of a lvl2 charging station in your home is free as long as it is a "standard" installation. The installer is coming next week.

Standard installation means space in your electrical panel, relatively easy path of wiring from panel to charging station location, and sufficient capacity to the house. IF something is non standard, Chevy covers first $1000.

Worst case (ie, something like having to dig a new line to your house from the transformer), it can run you about $5000 (or so I've seen online, but those might be horror stories).
Thank you. I hope to make a choice and be able to buy an EV within the next year.
 
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