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Fair enough. Stoll's reply, however demonstrates my concern was merely misdirected, not unjustified.
Thank you for the intellectual honesty that Bulk has not come around to yet (we'll see if I can get him there)...even if you disagree.

On another note, I don't think liberals in the Democrat Party are anti-American. I think there are several leftists in the party who are. I make a distinction between the Greenwalds and Sullivans of the world and those who hold views more like Mr. Norton.

I hate the line of argument I used when it is used with race and the GOP, I was just attempting to make a point.
 

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I will admit that not all democrats, progressives and leftist are Anti American. It appears to me the most vocal in the party and the ones whose voices are gaining power are anti American and anti capitalism.
 
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I will admit that not all democrats, progressives and leftist are Anti American. It appears to me the most vocal in the party and the ones whose voices are gaining power are anti American and anti capitalism.
if they are anti American, are they pro Russian, Satanist, Nazis , Mexicans who and what are they loyal to. Do you think Trump buddied up to Putin so he could keep a eye on them?
 

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if they are anti American, are they pro Russian, Satanist, Nazis , Mexicans who and what are they loyal to. Do you think Trump buddied up to Putin so he could keep a eye on them?
Has Biden been harder on Russia than Trump? Give me the exact policies Trump had that were easy on Russia.
 

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Has Biden been harder on Russia than Trump? Give me the exact policies Trump had that were easy on Russia.
It seems that Biden is being more directly confrontational over ransomware attacks out of Russia. Hopefully he follows-through.
 

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I will admit that not all democrats, progressives and leftist are Anti American. It appears to me the most vocal in the party and the ones whose voices are gaining power are anti American and anti capitalism.

define "anti American" and "anti capitalism".

and if someone is against something the US does, or some American does, does that mean they are anti American?

if not, exactly where is the line that makes one anti American?

if someone is critical of or opposes something capitalist being done, does that make them anti capitalism?

if not, then exactly where is the line drawn that then defines them as "anti capitalism", once said line is crossed?

and by "capitalism", do you mean the definition of "capitalism" in the dictionary, that as a stand alone economic model exists only in the dictionary, but has never existed here or anywhere else on earth, ever, other than in combination with social economic models for a capitalism-socialism hybrid?

and exactly where on earth does socialism exist, other than as a part of a capitalism-socialism hybrid?

me thinks what you really like is finding polarizing ill defined buzz words and attaching a positive or negative stigma to them, then to those you attach to them, that has absolutely zero to do with their actual positive or negative properties, of which all have both.

Cliff Notes version, i think you are being deliberately dishonest and manipulative.

that said, that wouldn't make you the Lone Ranger here or anywhere else, as dishonesty and manipulation seem to rule the discourse, and real honesty is a victim of agendas that always see the ends justifying the means.
 
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