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I’m hoping Snowden gets the next one.Let the games begin.
It will be a t shirt cannon of pardons for the worst people. Trump supporters will be silent.
Pardon season is always a time to shake one's head
I hope Snowden goes to prison.I’m hoping Snowden gets the next one.
We disagree on this one my friend. Our government should be comprised of elected officials that abide the Constitution - not seek power and spy on its own people.I hope Snowden goes to prison.
We can't have individuals that believe things aren't quite right making our nation's secrets public. We have whistleblower procedures. We have IGs. There are avenues for doing this and the one he took wasn't one of them. He's a criminal that should be in prison.We disagree on this one my friend. Our government should be comprised of elected officials that abide the Constitution - not seek power and spy on its own people.
I’ve become extremely Libertarian on this.
There will be bountiful head shaking this season. Trump is everything bad only 100x worse.
We can't have individuals that believe things aren't quite right making our nation's secrets public. We have whistleblower procedures. We have IGs. There are avenues for doing this and the one he took wasn't one of them. He's a criminal that should be in prison.
To whom would we have blown the whistle? The military industrial complex was neck deep in it. He would’ve been thrown out onto the street or worse. Everything I’ve read about him showed he has the most sincere of intentions and never made it about him.We can't have individuals that believe things aren't quite right making our nation's secrets public. We have whistleblower procedures. We have IGs. There are avenues for doing this and the one he took wasn't one of them. He's a criminal that should be in prison.
FTR, Snowden has always claimed that he did try to raise these issues within internal channels. Whether he exhausted all possible channels, I have no idea.To whom would we have blown the whistle? The military industrial complex was neck deep in it. He would’ve been thrown out onto the street or worse. Everything I’ve read about him showed he has the most sincere of intentions and never made it about him.
I will be fine with a ceremonial day in prison like a future HoFer that signs a one day contract with his former team to retire as a member of that team. Nothing more. We need more patriots that sacrifice everything for what’s right. Again, our government exists to serve us, not to lord over us. Period.
Many more grifters than usual this time around. Deep, deep swamp...Pardon season is always a time to shake one's head
There will be bountiful head shaking this season. Trump is everything bad only 100x worse.
Remember he was also quite young and naïve. He was far wiser at that age than I.FTR, Snowden has always claimed that he did try to raise these issues within internal channels. Whether he exhausted all possible channels, I have no idea.
It will be a t shirt cannon of pardons for the worst people. Trump supporters will be silent.
I've tried really hard to form a strong opinion on him. I can't. I won't be offended if he's pardoned. But I'm also not invested in the outcome, either. I do think that what he exposed was far worse than what he did, so in a moral universe, the argument could be made that it would be wrong to punish him for that.Remember he was also quite young and naïve. He was far wiser at that age than I.
While I can see the case for not pardoning Flynn I’m at a loss about why that pardon is bad. Flynn’s crime has no victim, he didn’t defraud the government, nor expose it to any risk. He served with distinction. Others have granted pardons for much worse offenses. On balance I think Flynn deserves a pardon more than most.
What is the problem here?
While I can see the case for not pardoning Flynn I’m at a loss about why that pardon is bad. Flynn’s crime has no victim, he didn’t defraud the government, nor expose it to any risk. He served with distinction. Others have granted pardons for much worse offenses. On balance I think Flynn deserves a pardon more than most.
What is the problem here?
treason is a minor offenseWhile I can see the case for not pardoning Flynn I’m at a loss about why that pardon is bad. Flynn’s crime has no victim, he didn’t defraud the government, nor expose it to any risk. He served with distinction. Others have granted pardons for much worse offenses. On balance I think Flynn deserves a pardon more than most.
What is the problem here?
I like guys who don't lie under oath.
Did you have an issue when Clinton lied under oath? The lie didn't hurt anyone afterall.
Lying to investigators and obstructing justice...no big deal. I mean it is exactly what trump did so must be fine.
After Flynn pulled this Qanon crap, I don't have any support for him, at all, on anything.While I can see the case for not pardoning Flynn I’m at a loss about why that pardon is bad. Flynn’s crime has no victim, he didn’t defraud the government, nor expose it to any risk. He served with distinction. Others have granted pardons for much worse offenses. On balance I think Flynn deserves a pardon more than most.
What is the problem here?
Yes he was. Sullivan made a big deal out of that when he accepted his guilty plea.Flynn wasn't under oath.
Correct. From a practical standpoint, it's as if he's been granted immunity.And, now that he's been pardoned, isn't he now unable to use the Fifth Amendment to avoid testifying?
Correct. From a practical standpoint, it's as if he's been granted immunity.
Yes he was. Sullivan made a big deal out of that when he accepted his guilty plea.
This should have been resolved and Flynn freed months ago. A pardon should never have been necessary. Judge Sullivan fooling around with the motion to dismiss and his post hearing delay in ruling are obviously intended to run out the clock.
Let’s get to the point here. Trump pardoned Flynn for the same reason he tried to have Barr change the plea - Flynn would be a witness against Trump. The pardon is buying off his silence. That’s the story here.
Correct. From a practical standpoint, it's as if he's been granted immunity.
Not exactly. Immunity agreements usually require the defendant to testify. Pardons don’t. Without the leverage of an immunity agreement, Flynn is free to use the Hillary “I don’t recall” evasion.
True, but he can still be forced to testify and would be subject to sanctions for lying or being provably evasive.Not exactly. Immunity agreements usually require the defendant to testify. Pardons don’t. Without the leverage of an immunity agreement, Flynn is free to use the Hillary “I don’t recall” evasion.
Which is immaterial to your assertion that "Flynn wasn't under oath".Right. But Flynn wasn’t changed with lying under oath.
Right. I’m guessing you weren’t bothered in the least by the Jeff Sessions testimony.
Heh. So Flynn’s got the goods on Trump being a super secret Russian agent? The only difference between the Russian hoaxers and Qanon is the Q.