IU is stuck. Miller will very likely get 5 years to make this work. Glass wanted stability.Awesome.
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IU is stuck. Miller will very likely get 5 years to make this work. Glass wanted stability.Awesome.
Doesn't matter. I've never been a fan of the "everyone's back" from a losing team argument. Older is usually marginally better. I'd prefer talent. I'm far more excited about the new kids coming then what we have getting older.No we dont davis and green are gone. Plus who knows on smith or durham.
I stand corrected. Need to start a go fund the buyout if we under produce next year as well. Here are the particulars:It doesn't go down to 50% until after year 5, not next year.
Just wait- in less than 2 hours someone will post about how we can make a BTT run and salvage everything, how the new recruits will get us there by year 7, etc. Totally agree with you.I think of it this way. We can all almost agree that Archie is not fit to be the coach of IU Basketball. The difference between him and say Crean/Davis is that almost all of Archie's players aren't fit to play here either. Crean and Davis could recruit now and then and bring hope. At this point, we can just look forward to his eventual firing. Everybody knows that's where it's going, I see zero reason to not start gauging Beilein's interest. It doesn't seem like he's so ready to retire to not show up at MU's game the other night
The right way? You honestly believe this is somehow the “right way” to play and win?We are playing the game the right way. We got beat by a hot, experienced team. Next year we are the experienced team because of these games.
YesThe right way? You honestly believe this is somehow the “right way” to play and win?
You can also look at KenPom.But they are improving, just ask Archie
Have you looked at the Big 10 standings, as well?You can also look at KenPom.
2017-2018: 71st
2018-2019: 52nd
2019-2020: 38th
- Make the tournament every yearWhat are your expectations (long term) for IU?
KenPom includes those games.Have you looked at the Big 10 standings, as well?
- Make the tournament every year
- Conference championship every third year
- Sweet sixteen every fifth year
- A national championship
JHC ... set that bar a little lower! Barring the NC, which he should have got, we just fired somebody whose coaching basically produced those sort of lowered expectation!- Make the tournament every year
- Conference championship every third year
- Sweet sixteen every fifth year
- A national championship
Landing lander probably bought archie two more years before this all ends.I think of it this way. We can all almost agree that Archie is not fit to be the coach of IU Basketball. The difference between him and say Crean/Davis is that almost all of Archie's players aren't fit to play here either. Crean and Davis could recruit now and then and bring hope. At this point, we can just look forward to his eventual firing. Everybody knows that's where it's going, I see zero reason to not start gauging Beilein's interest. It doesn't seem like he's so ready to retire to not show up at MU's game the other night
And you think we should be where?Year 3 and we are we finish what 11th or 12th in big ten?
Weak team and coach.
Higher than the bottom third of the Big 10, perhaps?And you think we should be where?
In year 3? Top 3rdAnd you think we should be where?
Freaking joke
which makes me wonder if the contract could have any effect on the AD searchI stand corrected. Need to start a go fund the buyout if we under produce next year as well. Here are the particulars:
“If IU wants to buyout his contract, IU would owe Miller 100-percent of his remaining salary before March 31, 2022 and 50-percent of his remaining salary any date after that.” IDS article
And you think we should be where?
Enough talent? Maybe.I think we had enough talent to be 11-9 or 12-8 in the league.
“With this roster” - really? Just where should we be with “this roster”?- Finishing 11th in the conference with this roster is completely unacceptable. It can't even be defended.
Enough talent? Maybe.
But we don’t have near the amount of leadership the other team had today. And it showed.
Wow. Hard to believe. This is just the bias of fans.
And in summary we need a coaching change.There's still the BTT tournament, to be fair, but we can mostly summarize the season in its entirety:
- Archie is a decent coach defensively.
- Defense doesn't matter much when you SUCK offensively. 7-8 minute scoring droughts simply won't get it done at this level. Completely unacceptable.
- Xs and Os seem better than Crean, but you have to coach the kids up so they can execute, especially offensively.
- At least we're winning games against good teams.
- But we're getting BTFO by mediocre teams like Purdue and Michigan.
- Finishing 11th in the conference with this roster is completely unacceptable. It can't even be defended. It's embarrassing.
- Archie hasn't yet finished a B1G season with a winning record. Again, UNACCEPTABLE. Completely indefensible.
- Like Crean, can't win on senior day. Have we won on senior day since CAM took over?
Being an IU fan must be what it’s like to be stuck in a loop in purgatory. The same excruciating result over and over, day in and day out, with not a shred of tangible hope.Arkansas, Maryland, now Wisconsin terrible coaching it's a pattern.
Wow, top 40. Just great.Like I said, we return everyone... We are a top 40 team in division one.
Check and see who K’s recruits were during that period and leading into Year 4 and then let us know if you think we’re on the same path.It's been said before, but ... Coach K first three seasons at Duke:
1980–81 17–13 6–8 T–5th NIT Quarterfinal
1981–82 10–17 4–10 T–6th n/a
1982–83 11–17 3–11 7th n/a
Sure it's a cherry picked example and I don't know how those teams and players compared. And I'm not saying Miller is in the same league as Krzyzewski. But it is an example of how it can take some time to get your program going. Both coaches were in their first job at a high major level. Learning and adjustments have to happen. Experience has to be gained. Next two seasons will be the real tell.
When some of us talk about the lowered expectations that some make clear they have, this is a perfect example. Top 40. That says it all.When the hell was top 40 a standard of Indiana basketball?
There's a significant percentage of the fan base that seems content with a few wins here and there and the occasional trip to the NCAA Tournament. I'm not sure if those are young fans unfamiliar with the history/tradition of IU basketball or older fans who have become apathetic.When the hell was top 40 a standard of Indiana basketball?
Exactly. Somewhere along the line, mediocrity became the standard for a segment of the fan base. I'm not sure if that happened simultaneously with the administration de-emphasizing basketball after firing Knight, but it would make perfect sense.When some of us talk about the lowered expectations that some make clear they have, this is a perfect example. Top 40. That says it all.
Not exactly!! Our seniors scored 20 pts todayThe reality is that we played a quality basketball game, and we return everyone next year.