I don’t think IU is going to challenge for the B10 or be a final four team but they do have some talent and are a pretty deep team. I think a really good coach would over achieve with this kind of team and still make the tourney easy and possibly win a couple games in the tourney. If they stay healthy this year I think we’ll see how good our coach is this year, that’s for sure.
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My expectations would simply be that they go out and play hard and improve as the season progresses.
I expect that because I believe Miller demands it.
I'd like to see them make the tournament but I'll be satisfied if they just flirt with a bid. However I wont be shocked at all if they got in and won a couple. The depth is there if they stay healthy.
I expect that because I believe Miller demands it.
I'd like to see them make the tournament but I'll be satisfied if they just flirt with a bid. However I wont be shocked at all if they got in and won a couple. The depth is there if they stay healthy.
I think there is enough ability there for them to be pretty good if they play really hard defensively and rebound well. That’s the only way this team does anything or it will be another down year. They have to be tenacious like those Butler teams that went deep into the tourney. IU has the depth so hopefully the kids buy in and leave it all on the court.
I agree, I think we saw a glimpse of that at the beginning and end last year. Minus the mid season melt down I was very impressed. I personally believe they will play above the preseason expectations. However its def still a work in progress, so I'll keep the expectations simple. Play with grit.
I have no doubt that they will make the NCAAT. Archie Miller's strength at Dayton was to develop players throughout the year and to have them come together as a team. Sure, that didn't happen last year and the year before. We have heard many reasons why...and I don't mean from the trolls.
With a better and healthier bench, he will prove to be more flexible in adjustments during games and with differing game strategies. We can match up with other teams better than previous years.
These players are buying in. One can tell. They like playing as a team.
Phin isn't a freshman anymore. He knows what it takes to slog through the grind. Players are not playing out of position like last year. Certainly they seem to be more healthy across the board presently. There is more movement off of the ball. Less and less dribbling around the perimeter is apparent. Watch the distribution of the ball as compared with last season.
They are playing the packline defense like their arms and legs are longer..heh. Free throw percentage is going up... (since it really couldn't go down imho.)
And there is no way that IU will lose 10 straight B1G conference games in a row. No how.
Popcorn time...and some beer, I'm thirsty already!
I know it’s just one game, but it appears to me that Archie might be a lot more demanding and less patient than last year with the players making mistakes and playing poor defense. This is good. I think the players need and want this approach from their coach. A very good sign indeed if true.
I look at our roster and see more of what the teams that play in the Final 4 have. Archie's first year had very little in common with those teams. Archie is closer to the roster he wanted. Getting Garcia with who we have already coming in next year will give Archie the team he wants.
I liked the way our guards attacked the ball Tuesday. We have two experienced guards that I am expecting will shoot the 3 effectively. Phinisee plays like an upperclassman and Franklin has started out more poised than most freshman.
I like having more length to challenge a post player and block shots. We have two bigs if we want to play that game or we can go a little smaller and be quicker without sacrificing defense. Subbing Thompson for Davis/Brunk will become our best lineup.
I wanted to add something for those still fretting over having 11 scholarship players. Painter is redshirting two freshman. I question sitting a top 100 recruit unless that was the plan all along. With injuries, pu played only 8 players in their first game. I assume they will use a 9 man rotation when all are healthy. Like Archie, most coaches won't play 11-13 players in a game. It is great to have 13 in practice, but they end up getting the same playing time as your preferred walk on players. Not all #11 - #13 players are happy at the end of the bench and screw up team unity.
I see us using all 11 players at some point but not necessarily in the same game. Injuries and foul trouble might require going deeper than 9-10 players.
I liked the way our guards attacked the ball Tuesday. We have two experienced guards that I am expecting will shoot the 3 effectively. Phinisee plays like an upperclassman and Franklin has started out more poised than most freshman.
I like having more length to challenge a post player and block shots. We have two bigs if we want to play that game or we can go a little smaller and be quicker without sacrificing defense. Subbing Thompson for Davis/Brunk will become our best lineup.
I wanted to add something for those still fretting over having 11 scholarship players. Painter is redshirting two freshman. I question sitting a top 100 recruit unless that was the plan all along. With injuries, pu played only 8 players in their first game. I assume they will use a 9 man rotation when all are healthy. Like Archie, most coaches won't play 11-13 players in a game. It is great to have 13 in practice, but they end up getting the same playing time as your preferred walk on players. Not all #11 - #13 players are happy at the end of the bench and screw up team unity.
I see us using all 11 players at some point but not necessarily in the same game. Injuries and foul trouble might require going deeper than 9-10 players.
Archie is more fired up than his his first 2 years. Archie is more demanding now, wants to win, now! I think the kid gloves are off, and the team will play like their leader, with grit, and toughness,and hard nosed defense. Yes, more like a gritty Butler team of years past, with many in-state Hoosier players with High BB IQ, playing Team Basketball. The new passing offense is much better than the dribble drive hand off, IU now has more than one Big Man that is healthy enough to play, and guards that dont turn the ball over 20X a game as under Turnover Tom. The Packine D should be even more effective in year 3, and with the longer 3pt line. A lot of potential for this team to over-achieve with solid coaching, skills development, poise,tenacity, BB IQ, and grit. I like Mike Roberts back on the bench at IU. His impact will be felt in games. Green, Phinisee, Hunter, DeRon please get well, back to 100% soon! Dawson Garcia, please join IU and be part of a very bright future at IU. And become a celbrity and a statewide hero in Indiana for the rest of your life! Go Hoosiers! Leal and Galloway, we cant wait to see you soon! Stay healthy!
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I agree with much of what you said, but I do think it was a mistake not to have found a grad transfer that could help us in the backcourt with our guard situation. I think Franklin is surpassing everyone's expectations so far, which meant our guard situation might have been even thinner. I'm not for signing kids to sign kids, but finding a Zeisloft/Roth/Hornsby or even Suhr type player should have been a priority and I think was an oversight. Hopefully our backcourt stays healthy, as I do like the depth and makeup of this team. It will be nice to have legit big men battling other team's bigs for a change!
It wasn't an oversight. Damezi is a big guard that Archie likes. He sees him every day and knows what he can do for us. A grad transfer could have meant a redshirt for Franklin or Damezi. That probably wasn't an option discussed during their recruitment. I expect Archie looked at who was available, who might be interested, and decided he liked our current lineup better long term than what he could get for one year. Archie is happy with 11 players that can play and not having 2 players that upset with their role. It would have taken a game changing addition to add another player.
Archie knew what he was doing.
Or none of them wanted to come play for him. That’s much more likely. If I have one year left I at least want to go to a school that makes the tournament.
...and you know this how? Seeing as a decision to add a grad transfer had to be made around May, and having no idea what we could count on from Franklin and knowing that Anderson was far from a finished product, especially in the backcourt, I still chalk it up as a miss. It may work out without injuries, but with 2 open schollies, it would have been prudent to add another guard. It has basically already bitten us in the butt when the only healthy guard vs Gannon was our freshman Franklin. Not to mention going most of October without Phinisee and Green practicing. If it was intentional, I still think it's a mistake, but hopefully one we won't have to pay for. We could definitely use another healthy experienced guard on this roster, no matter how you try and spin it.
are you willing to bet your future participation/existence on this board that this team won't make the tourney? Simple yes or no question.
How 'bout we make the tourney before we start talking about F4s?
Have you seen the stats for grad transfers other than the ones who were successful. They're not the free agent fix many believe they are. Plus, who did you have in mind? It's like telling a Purdue fan to find a skinny coed who doesn't reek of smegma.. sure there's a few but a very limited few. Miller went after 4 or 5 combo/wings in the spring and couldn't close. But that's what happens when you return a majority of minutes in the backcourt. Though I agree we could have used another guard, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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I'm really not talking about a "fix", I like our guards if they're all healthy, which hasn't been recent history, and especially with how Franklin has performed. I'm talking about having another healthy body for practice and especially if someone goes down or gets in foul trouble. Our returning guards aren't to the level where they should be scaring players; especially if they can hit a 3. Since you bring up Purdue, the kid they got from High Point looked solid to me in their first game. Hard to believe IU couldn't find someone that could hit an open 3 and have some experience in the backcourt, and I'm aware we went after at least a couple. It's a shortcoming that we have room to address. If you pay me 3+ mill a year, then I'll worry about who I'd get, but I'm attaching a link and there are several guards on there who fit the profile I'm talking about. I think if Green or especially Phinisee miss time during the meaty part of the schedule, you might think it was a bigger deal than you do now.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...transfer-rankings-2019-20-2020-21#Immediately
Well then you wanted a backup. Not many grad transfers want to come into a backup role.
Seem to recall there are 5 walk-ons, 4 of whom are guards (three of those being upperclassmen) and 2-3 that Miller has mentioned as playing hard/well in practice. Always hoping that one of the 'unheralded' breaks through to contribute - maybe they will or maybe they won't, but reckon at least one of them could jump into the breech as a back-up without sabotaging the Team if required.
Bybee, Shipp, Childress, Chapman and J. Henderson - glad you guys are on board. Stay loose.
What I would have liked to have seen was a solid teammate and player. Starting and minutes depend on the player. While I like our guards, I don't think they were scaring anyone coming off of last year, especially if they could hit a 3. If they could do that, even with a healthy roster, I think there were minutes to be earned. IU being IU and in the B10 is an attractive destination, especially to kids from smaller schools. At any rate, I like our team, but I'm trying to be fair in judging our Coach and I think with an open scholly and thin guard roster, that was a hole that could have been plugged. And I say that while also believing this is the deepest and most complete roster we've had in several years.
Ya I figured I would ruffle some feathers with that.
Yes that's the sediment with most rational fans. I however was infrencing how much of an impact he would be. Like the final piece to a puzzle. They dont even know who to compare the kid too as far in regards to defense. He can defend a PG. And there is no better def then the packline for such a defender. It's a match made in heaven. Just sayin.
But yes I agree let's get there before we get there.
He's already on record that this team is a dumpster fire and this roster is the worst IU roster in 50 years.
The loss of Romeo will be catastrophic.
I know this because Archie has said from his first interview that he isn't a fan of giving out scholarships just to fill up all 13 spots. I don't think Archie was lying about that.
It hasn't bit us in the butt. Transfers don't usually leave because they are too awesome for their team. They are either forced out or not contributing as they had hoped. They are rarely stars in the better program.
Archie didn't ignore the grad transfer market. He added Brunk for two years. Had he wanted another guard for insurance, he could have found someone. He prefers the longer view and had more faith in Franklin and Anderson than what was available.
Archie is closer to the situation and has been a head coach longer than any of us. His faith in Franklin and Anderson is making more sense. Franklin has looked good and will play even when Green is back.
Lines in the sand about future events without knowing the circumstances and conditions that create that event is about asinine. A lot depends on how he coaches as much as results. We had an inept coach take us to number 1 in the country, a 1 seed in the tourney only to incompetently lose to Syracuse by driving his big man into the defense and hiding his other all american lottery pick on the baseline where he was as ineffective as the big driving. That was a glaring sign of how weird and jacked up Crean is .. How Miller coaches matters as much as the results. If he proves to inept as Crean the record won't matter.
Wins and losses matter, could care less how we “use” a particular player if it doesn’t equate to wins. Coaches at the end of the day are evaluated on wins and losses and Archie isn’t winning much so far. This is a huge season for him.
What a silly post. I’ll help you out. If he misses the tourney again, he’s proven he is inept.
Because all good coaches make the tourney within three years at new gigs or because you want to blame Archie for a lost generation at IU and your own weird insecurities?
I’m actually thinking this team has enough going for it to properly judge but the tough talk just makes you look weak-minded, ironically.
It hasn't? So you think the plan was to go in to our exhibition with 1 healthy guard who is a freshman and had to learn PG plays the day of the game? Now, project that to a regular season game, and you see the possibility exists. We could have addressed it and didn't with an open scholarship, and to me that's a miss. I'm trying to be objective in my opinion of our Coach who I like and believe will do well here, but I think that was an oversight or unnecessary risk. As I said, hopefully 1 or more of our walk-ons is good enough to fill the void if it occurs.
You think he’s incoherent, read the following drivel for a textbook definition of incoherence. Hard to imagine the stupidity that led to something as uninformed as this:
Archie could employ some rather ruthless hair-trigger substitution this Season as a teaching/incentivizing mechanism given the depth.
Having DD in the mix allows more latitude for Juwan, Justin and Evan to play to their strengths outside the box.
Still questions around perimeter play - encouraged that Devonte and Aljami received acclaim for their off-Season dedication and improvement, zero complaints about Langford and Phinisee rounding out the backcourt.
Zach remains an enigma. Imagine him as a glue guy a la Hartman before his last injury.
Team could be a defensive nightmare for opponents. Quick, long, very athletic and intensely competitive as a result of fighting for every minute of floor-time in practice. That's not to trivialize any potential offensive prowess, just imagine this could be the stingiest IU defense anyone's seen in a long time.
When has IU ever had a group like Race, Jerome, Damezi, Clifton and Jake available off the bench? Not to say someone doesn't move into the starting rotation, but are you shitting me?
I believe this Team can/will take down Duke in Cameron. (Devils have basically zero returning starters/offense -15 pts. per game - and five-star freshmen tend to still play like freshmen, especially early in the Season.) Can't really speak to the rest of the Conference but think there's a really good chance IU goes undefeated at Home.
Jaeger, Taylor and Blackmon. The fact that these guys could be starting and playing at other NCAA schools but are instead at IU marks them as the heart and soul of IU Basketball. If it was my call they (and Zack) would represent IU at B10 Media Day tomorrow.
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