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Enrolled portal transfers

Will be attending class this week.

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Season/2023-Football/TransferPortal/?institutionkey=24040

it seems like there is a little less hype this year… let’s hope hope play exceeds the hype.
There is less hype but better players coming in. Not all the transfers are rated very high but IU has several rated as high 3* and a couple of 4* with one WR rated as a 5 start from HS. I hope these players come in here and elevate their play.
 
There is less hype but better players coming in. Not all the transfers are rated very high but IU has several rated as high 3* and a couple of 4* with one WR rated as a 5 start from HS. I hope these players come in here and elevate their play.
I have not seen any stats on transfers success rates at their new schools but I would have to think that if most older players who were highly rated out of HS, didn't play much and are now now seeking to transfer means they were overrated from the beginning. There are certain exceptions of course. I'm talking power 5 because our WMU transfer would be a different situation.
 
6 freshman are enrolled too. From 24/7
 
Most players who line up on the line of scrimmage and gets their ass kicked got their ass kicked because they lacked physical ability. It's not about effort. It's not about desire. They are just fighting above their weight class.
 
I have not seen any stats on transfers success rates at their new schools but I would have to think that if most older players who were highly rated out of HS, didn't play much and are now now seeking to transfer means they were overrated from the beginning. There are certain exceptions of course. I'm talking power 5 because our WMU transfer would be a different situation.
What's successful? Was Tuttle, for example, successful?
 
What's successful? Was Tuttle, for example, successful?
Yeah, success can be tough to measure, particularly in this transfer era where a guy is expected to immediately produce but may have trouble getting on the field.

Regarding Tuttle, he was in a tough spot behind Penix. That said, when called upon to lead the team late in the 2020 season, he stepped up. He threw 2 TDs in the big win at Wisconsin, and fought like hell to keep us in the game against a good Ole Miss team in the Outback Bowl despite playing with a separated shoulder and despite a questionable offensive game plan by Sheridan (too many passes for the injured Tuttle, not enough runs for Stevie Scott who started gashing Ole Miss in the 4th quarter when Sheridan finally realized we could run against them).

Then, last year, Tuttle got stuck (again) behind another starter who the coaches stayed with way too long. Tuttle ended up playing again after he had already entered the portal and when the season was, for all intents and purposes, over. Kind of a tough (and strange) situation to be in. Wishing him well at UM.
 
Most players who line up on the line of scrimmage and gets their ass kicked got their ass kicked because they lacked physical ability. It's not about effort. It's not about desire. They are just fighting above their weight class.
How do you explain the rapid improvement in run blocking once coach Carey took over the OL. There are a lot of things going into OL play not just physical ability and IU didn't recruit duds for the OL. We will have to see this season if your assessment is correct or if the problem has been coach Hiller.
 
How do you explain the rapid improvement in run blocking once coach Carey took over the OL. There are a lot of things going into OL play not just physical ability and IU didn't recruit duds for the OL. We will have to see this season if your assessment is correct or if the problem has been coach Hiller.

I'm not sure I'd say rapid improvement but there was noticeable improvement.

Saying a good OL is just about physical ability is hardly accurate though. OL need to know their assignments, know how to work together, know how to get low in their stance and use leverage . There is a lot more that goes into it. Otherwise you would just go get some former SUMO wrestlers and have them go at it.
 
How do you explain the rapid improvement in run blocking once coach Carey took over the OL. There are a lot of things going into OL play not just physical ability and IU didn't recruit duds for the OL. We will have to see this season if your assessment is correct or if the problem has been coach Hiller.
The rapid improvement was largely a myth. What changed was the use of DW at quarterback in a much more simplified offense, which greatly benefitted the OL because of the threat of a running quarterback.
 
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I'm not sure I'd say rapid improvement but there was noticeable improvement.

Saying a good OL is just about physical ability is hardly accurate though. OL need to know their assignments, know how to work together, know how to get low in their stance and use leverage . There is a lot more that goes into it. Otherwise you would just go get some former SUMO wrestlers and have them go at it.
Yes. There was improvement in OL play immediately after Carey took over, as noted by both Allen and Bazelak.

 
Yes. There was improvement in OL play immediately after Carey took over, as noted by both Allen and Bazelak.


I didn't say there wasn't improvement. Key word here is rapid.
 
Our performance rushing/protecting the QB - 2022 games:

Illinois (finished 11th nationally in defense yards per attempt average)
Rushing 1st Downs - 2
Net Rushing Yards - 26
Yards Per Rush - 1.2
Sacks Allowed - 1

Idaho
Rushing 1st Downs - 10
Net Rushing Yards - 239
Yards Per Rush - 6.6
Sacks Allowed - 0

Western Ky (52nd)
Rushing 1st Downs - 9
Net Rushing Yards - 120
Yards Per Rush - 3.4
Sacks Allowed - 3

@ Cincy (29th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 6
Net Rushing Yards - 68
Yards Per Rush - 1.8
Sacks Allowed - 5

@ Nebraska (101st)
Rushing 1st Downs - 2
Net Rushing Yards - 67
Yards Per Rush - 2.9
Sacks Allowed - 3

Michigan (10th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 5
Net Rushing Yards - 19
Yards Per Rush - 0.8
Sacks Allowed - 7

Hiller fired

Maryland (40th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 7
Net Rushing Yards - 36
Yards Per Rush - 1.1
Sacks Allowed - 2

@ Rutgers (62nd)
Rushing 1st Downs - 5
Net Rushing Yards - 62
Yards Per Rush - 3.3
Sacks Allowed - 1

Bazelak benched
Tuttle starts Penn State- hurt
Williams in

Penn State (13th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 5
Net Rushing Yards - 65
Yards Per Rush - 1.9
Sacks Allowed - 6

Bazelak starts, benched at OSU after 3 series
Williams in again

@ Ohio State (25th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 7
Net Rushing Yards - 150
Yards Per Rush - 3.8
Sacks Allowed - 8

@ Michigan State (85th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 10
Net Rushing Yards - 257
Yards Per Rush - 5.8
Sacks Allowed - 3

Williams starts Purdue - hurt second quarter
Purdue (76th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 13
Net Rushing Yards - 215
Yards Per Rush - 4.9
Sacks Allowed - 3
 
Our performance rushing/protecting the QB - 2022 games:

Illinois (finished 11th nationally in defense yards per attempt average)
Rushing 1st Downs - 2
Net Rushing Yards - 26
Yards Per Rush - 1.2
Sacks Allowed - 1

Idaho
Rushing 1st Downs - 10
Net Rushing Yards - 239
Yards Per Rush - 6.6
Sacks Allowed - 0

Western Ky (52nd)
Rushing 1st Downs - 9
Net Rushing Yards - 120
Yards Per Rush - 3.4
Sacks Allowed - 3

@ Cincy (29th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 6
Net Rushing Yards - 68
Yards Per Rush - 1.8
Sacks Allowed - 5

@ Nebraska (101st)
Rushing 1st Downs - 2
Net Rushing Yards - 67
Yards Per Rush - 2.9
Sacks Allowed - 3

Michigan (10th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 5
Net Rushing Yards - 19
Yards Per Rush - 0.8
Sacks Allowed - 7

Hiller fired

Maryland (40th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 7
Net Rushing Yards - 36
Yards Per Rush - 1.1
Sacks Allowed - 2

@ Rutgers (62nd)
Rushing 1st Downs - 5
Net Rushing Yards - 62
Yards Per Rush - 3.3
Sacks Allowed - 1

Bazelak benched
Tuttle starts Penn State- hurt
Williams in

Penn State (13th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 5
Net Rushing Yards - 65
Yards Per Rush - 1.9
Sacks Allowed - 6

Bazelak starts, benched at OSU after 3 series
Williams in again

@ Ohio State (25th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 7
Net Rushing Yards - 150
Yards Per Rush - 3.8
Sacks Allowed - 8

@ Michigan State (85th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 10
Net Rushing Yards - 257
Yards Per Rush - 5.8
Sacks Allowed - 3

Williams starts Purdue - hurt second quarter
Purdue (76th)
Rushing 1st Downs - 13
Net Rushing Yards - 215
Yards Per Rush - 4.9
Sacks Allowed - 3
Ohio State was Carey's first game as OL coach right??
 
How do you explain the rapid improvement in run blocking once coach Carey took over the OL. There are a lot of things going into OL play not just physical ability and IU didn't recruit duds for the OL. We will have to see this season if your assessment is correct or if the problem has been coach Hiller.
As you know coach, sometime line improvement can be as simple as spacing throughout the line. Stretch out those D-lineman a little bit and give your self a better angle or a little more time to make that block.
 
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As you know coach, sometime line improvement can be as simple as spacing throughout the line. Stretch out those D-lineman a little bit and give your self a better angle or a little more time to make that block.
That is what I thought early in my career but I changed after playing Hobart. They had one foot splits and ran the ball well. I changed my offense and did the same thing giving my blockers easier options for double teams and to fill gaps when we can counter plays. Spacing yourself out is a risky thing but as long as you don't split out more than you can down block you can help yourself. For example, I saw a game film of IU playing Nebraska back in the early nineties. I had to run the film back a couple of times as their center reached the IU tackle, IU was playing a 5-2 with tackles on offensive tackles. It was unbelievable Nebraska could pull their guard with the OT reaching for the DE and the center reaching the DT for IU. I never had players that good so I went to closer splits as I wanted to drive the DL off the LOS.

This gets into a complicated topic as you look at different offensive schemes that determine different splits to help the offense.
 
That is what I thought early in my career but I changed after playing Hobart. They had one foot splits and ran the ball well. I changed my offense and did the same thing giving my blockers easier options for double teams and to fill gaps when we can counter plays. Spacing yourself out is a risky thing but as long as you don't split out more than you can down block you can help yourself. For example, I saw a game film of IU playing Nebraska back in the early nineties. I had to run the film back a couple of times as their center reached the IU tackle, IU was playing a 5-2 with tackles on offensive tackles. It was unbelievable Nebraska could pull their guard with the OT reaching for the DE and the center reaching the DT for IU. I never had players that good so I went to closer splits as I wanted to drive the DL off the LOS.

This gets into a complicated topic as you look at different offensive schemes that determine different splits to help the offense.
Leach was very good at it...but it did not always deliver the results he desired.
 
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That is what I thought early in my career but I changed after playing Hobart. They had one foot splits and ran the ball well. I changed my offense and did the same thing giving my blockers easier options for double teams and to fill gaps when we can counter plays. Spacing yourself out is a risky thing but as long as you don't split out more than you can down block you can help yourself. For example, I saw a game film of IU playing Nebraska back in the early nineties. I had to run the film back a couple of times as their center reached the IU tackle, IU was playing a 5-2 with tackles on offensive tackles. It was unbelievable Nebraska could pull their guard with the OT reaching for the DE and the center reaching the DT for IU. I never had players that good so I went to closer splits as I wanted to drive the DL off the LOS.

This gets into a complicated topic as you look at different offensive schemes that determine different splits to help the offense.
Yeah, what he said ^ LOL.
 
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That is what I thought early in my career but I changed after playing Hobart. They had one foot splits and ran the ball well. I changed my offense and did the same thing giving my blockers easier options for double teams and to fill gaps when we can counter plays. Spacing yourself out is a risky thing but as long as you don't split out more than you can down block you can help yourself. For example, I saw a game film of IU playing Nebraska back in the early nineties. I had to run the film back a couple of times as their center reached the IU tackle, IU was playing a 5-2 with tackles on offensive tackles. It was unbelievable Nebraska could pull their guard with the OT reaching for the DE and the center reaching the DT for IU. I never had players that good so I went to closer splits as I wanted to drive the DL off the LOS.

This gets into a complicated topic as you look at different offensive schemes that determine different splits to help the offense.
Did you coach at Hobart?
 
Did you coach at Hobart?
I coached against Hobart and both games were memorable while one was terrible as one student ruined any chance we had even though it was unlikely against that team. We did play in the Brickie Bowl once and had our most memorable game there. We started off down 21-0 but came back to win 28-21.
One play in the third quarter on Hobart's 32 yd line 4& 3 to go I decided to go for it, we picked up the 1st down then went on to score to tie the game up. It turned out to be important because we had to score every drive after getting down 0-21. The only drive we didn't was the last drive to run the clock out. Kt was quite a game.
 
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I coached against Hobart and both games were memorable while one was terrible as one student ruined any chance we had even though it was unlikely against that team. We did play in the Brickie Bowl once and had our most memorable game there. We started off down 21-0 but came back to win 28-0.
One pay in the third quarter on Hobart's 32 yd line 4& 3 to go I decided to go for it, we picked up the 1st down then went on to score to tie the game up. It turned out to be important because we had to score every drive after getting down 0-21. The only drive we didn't was the last drive to run the clock out. Kt was quite a game.
They were a powerhouse when I was in school.
 
The # for the high school class is due to the low number of who we recruited.
ON3 ranks the teams a little different. Doesn't reward a team bonus points for a large class and only slightly penalizes a team for a smaller class. They rank by average score of the top 4 sites (including theirs) each getting 25%. The ranking is player average of that team not by a total score with bonus points. It's a little more detailed than that so you would have to go to the website and read it. I like the site but it's just over a year old I believe and still evolving.
 
ON3 ranks the teams a little different. Doesn't reward a team bonus points for a large class and only slightly penalizes a team for a smaller class. They rank by average score of the top 4 sites (including theirs) each getting 25%. The ranking is player average of that team not by a total score with bonus points. It's a little more detailed than that so you would have to go to the website and read it. I like the site but it's just over a year old I believe and still evolving.
I don't know if I can trust ON3.
 
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I don't know if I can trust ON3.
Why ? I can't say how accurate they are but I think the guy was one of the original founders of Rivals, sold that, founded 247, sold that. Real ratings of a class should be 2-3 years after they have played in college but nobody does that I'm aware of.
 
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