Don Trump Jr says "covid-19 deaths almost nothing

[IU_Hickory]

“Oh, because the number is almost nothing,” he told host Laura Ingraham. “Because we’ve gotten control of this thing, we understand how it works. They have the therapeutics to be able to deal with this.”

Donald Trump Jr. says recent COVID-19 deaths are 'almost nothing.' More than 20K people died this month.

Trump Jr. stated on Fox News that he “went through the CDC data” and incorrectly found that the number of COVID-19 deaths has significantly declined.

www.usatoday.com

More than 20,000 deaths so far this month in October.

In comparison

4 deaths in benghazi (and we know how many hearings were done over that)
2,977 deaths from 9/11

20,000 covid deaths this month alone but according to prince don, we got it down to almost nothing...

What he means to say is that "American lives mean nothing to me. Just be sure to close your eyes and vote for my dad so the only life that matters (mine) can continue to rake in the money."

 

[outside shooter]

we're rounding the corner...

 

[IU_Hickory]

That corner is coming real soon... I promise

 

[meridian]

“Oh, because the number is almost nothing,” he told host Laura Ingraham. “Because we’ve gotten control of this thing, we understand how it works. They have the therapeutics to be able to deal with this.”

Donald Trump Jr. says recent COVID-19 deaths are 'almost nothing.' More than 20K people died this month.

Trump Jr. stated on Fox News that he “went through the CDC data” and incorrectly found that the number of COVID-19 deaths has significantly declined.

www.usatoday.com

What he means to say is that "American lives mean nothing to me. Just be sure to close your eyes and vote for my dad so the only life that matters (mine) can continue to rake in the money."

I wonder how much money he has made from his hotels and casinos (I don't know whether he has a casino but I am betting he does) from his presidency, directly or indirectly.

 

[HillzHoozier]

This NCHS link puts all-causes deaths (provisional number) for 2020 at 2,347,341, approximately 10% Covid related. With about 9 weeks left, an average of 60k deaths (all causes) per week would have us just over 2018 levels of 2,839,205. These Covid deaths are neither nothing nor are they everything.

 

[dbmhoosier]

That corner is coming real soon... I promise

 

[meridian]

This NCHS link puts all-causes deaths (provisional number) for 2020 at 2,347,341, approximately 10% Covid related. With about 9 weeks left, an average of 60k deaths (all causes) per week would have us just over 2018 levels of 2,839,205. These Covid deaths are neither nothing nor are they everything.

I don't think anybody said TrumpVirus deaths are everything. It is important not because of the pure numbers but because of the psychological damages. My hunch is that there are more natural deaths, but nobody makes a big deal about it.

 

[iuwclurker]

Jr is so lousy at Trumpism. Thank God.

 

[HillzHoozier]

I don't think anybody said TrumpVirus deaths are everything. It is important not because of the pure numbers but because of the psychological damages. My hunch is that there are more natural deaths, but nobody makes a big deal about it.

Tell the people hiding in their homes scared to death to catch the WuhanFlu and counting cases all day that this isn't everything.

 

[bawlmer]

Can't wait until these Trump numb-skulls are back in the Style section where they belong.

 

[Bowlmania]

The douche doesn't fall far from the bag.

 

[T.M.P.]

Tell the people hiding in their homes scared to death to catch the WuhanFlu and counting cases all day that this isn't everything.

dumb

 

[ulrey]

Can't wait until these Trump numb-skulls are back in the Style section where they belong.

easy tough ass guy

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

“Oh, because the number is almost nothing,” he told host Laura Ingraham. “Because we’ve gotten control of this thing, we understand how it works. They have the therapeutics to be able to deal with this.”

Donald Trump Jr. says recent COVID-19 deaths are 'almost nothing.' More than 20K people died this month.

Trump Jr. stated on Fox News that he “went through the CDC data” and incorrectly found that the number of COVID-19 deaths has significantly declined.

www.usatoday.com

More than 20,000 deaths so far this month in October.

In comparison

4 deaths in benghazi (and we know how many hearings were done over that)
2,977 deaths from 9/11

20,000 covid deaths this month alone but according to prince don, we got it down to almost nothing...

What he means to say is that "American lives mean nothing to me. Just be sure to close your eyes and vote for my dad so the only life that matters (mine) can continue to rake in the money."

I'm going to steer this in a more productive direction...

Why do you suppose U.S. deaths per capita are higher than some other countries with far weaker healthcare systems and/or infrastructure? There are obviously going to be a multitude of factors, but here are some worth considering:

1. Lack of centralized leadership (Trump, etc.) providing scientific direction
2. Apples to oranges testing and recording of cases, deaths
3. Americans have a higher prevalence of obesity and other co-morbidities
4. Americans are more likely to have Vitamin D deficiencies (https://www.cureus.com/articles/117...d-risk-factors-in-the-us-population-2011-2012)
5. American healthcare workers are incompetent or improperly trained
6. Americans are less likely to seek medical attention as earlier because of either cost/access of healthcare or cultural disposition (handle it yourself vs. go to the doctor)
7. American disdain for social distancing and mask wearing (vs. Asian countries)

Nobody truly knows, so we can only speculate that some form of these is the cause. Anyone that claims to have the answer or allocate blame across these for U.S. outcomes is full of shit.

I do find it interesting how great disparities are in the reported cases and deaths per capita across similar countries with similar characteristics (I know, how racist of me to group people).

For example:

Belgium and the Netherlands
U.S. and Canada
Germany and France

It seems to have hit North America, Europe and Latin America, very social societies, much harder than many parts of Asia.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

This NCHS link puts all-causes deaths (provisional number) for 2020 at 2,347,341, approximately 10% Covid related. With about 9 weeks left, an average of 60k deaths (all causes) per week would have us just over 2018 levels of 2,839,205. These Covid deaths are neither nothing nor are they everything.

It will be more muted than people are making it out to be, but your data set is incomplete and will skew higher, particularly if you assume a constant or only slightly reduced mortality rate.

Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks.

 

[HillzHoozier]

your data set is incomplete and will skew higher

Maybe. If masks and distancing are effective and continued, deaths from flu and similar aerosol-transmitted should be reduced.

 

[UncleMark]

Maybe. If masks and distancing are effective and continued, deaths from flu and similar aerosol-transmitted should be reduced.

So Covid is a feature, not a bug.

 

[meridian]

Tell the people hiding in their homes scared to death to catch the WuhanFlu and counting cases all day that this isn't everything.

The real question is which is more deadly? WuhanFlue or TrumpVirus, that is the question!!!

 

[sglowrider]

Future presidential candidate 2024.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Maybe. If masks and distancing are effective and continued, deaths from flu and similar aerosol-transmitted should be reduced.

And driving deaths are likely to be down, but deaths from other diseases may increase because of putting off preventative care (doctor visits, tests, surgeries, etc.). OD deaths and suicides are also likely to be higher, particularly if we see areas get locked down again.

 

[bawlmer]

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Future presidential candidate 2024.

The new No-Nothing Party.

 

[DrHoops]

I continue to be stunned that this family of circus clowns, grifters, snake oil salespeople, still have the support of half the population of the United States.

I leave for Mexico tomorrow. Wake me up when this is over.

I leave for Mexico in the morning. Wake me up when this is over.

 

[sglowrider]

I continue to be stunned that this family of circus clowns, grifters, snake oil salespeople, still have the support of half the population of the United States.

I leave for Mexico tomorrow. Wake me up when this is over.

Not the quickest learners. Four years, 25,000 lies later just isn't quite enough time to figure things out yet.

 

[HillzHoozier]

I leave for Mexico tomorrow. Wake me up when this is over.

I leave for Mexico in the morning. Wake me up when this is over.

 

[ribbont]

“Oh, because the number is almost nothing,” he told host Laura Ingraham. “Because we’ve gotten control of this thing, we understand how it works. They have the therapeutics to be able to deal with this.”

Donald Trump Jr. says recent COVID-19 deaths are 'almost nothing.' More than 20K people died this month.

Trump Jr. stated on Fox News that he “went through the CDC data” and incorrectly found that the number of COVID-19 deaths has significantly declined.

www.usatoday.com

More than 20,000 deaths so far this month in October.

In comparison

4 deaths in benghazi (and we know how many hearings were done over that)
2,977 deaths from 9/11

20,000 covid deaths this month alone but according to prince don, we got it down to almost nothing...

What he means to say is that "American lives mean nothing to me. Just be sure to close your eyes and vote for my dad so the only life that matters (mine) can continue to rake in the money."

A better comparison is cars. We can control deaths by car accidents easily by banning all automotive travel. About 1.25M die each year from car accidents, that's over 100k per month.

But we don't, because we, as a society, have decided 100k deaths per month is an acceptable amount to have in order to have freedom and economic growth.

Now, at what level of monthly covid deaths are we willing to accept to have freedom and economic growth?

 

[sglowrider]

A better comparison is cars. We can control deaths by car accidents easily by banning all automotive travel. About 1.25M die each year from car accidents, that's over 100k per month.

But we don't, because we, as a society, have decided 100k deaths per month is an acceptable amount to have in order to have freedom and economic growth.

Now, at what level of monthly covid deaths are we willing to accept to have freedom and economic growth?

I really don't understand the logic - its not either-or. Death or lockdown financial damage. Serious fog of war.

Get everyone to wear masks and socially distant measures and it will work. Its worked in most places in Asia so far.
FYI. One death in Singapore since June. Zero case today.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

A better comparison is cars. We can control deaths by car accidents easily by banning all automotive travel. About 1.25M die each year from car accidents, that's over 100k per month.

But we don't, because we, as a society, have decided 100k deaths per month is an acceptable amount to have in order to have freedom and economic growth.

Now, at what level of monthly covid deaths are we willing to accept to have freedom and economic growth?

In the US, 38,000 die per year, so about 1/10th what we are averaging to COVID. We require all new cars to have airbags and seatbelts. We ticket drivers for not wearing seatbelts. Cars are crash tested, anti-lock breaks are fairly standard. More and more cars will warn or self correct if they believe you are falling asleep.

But people will not wear a mask and socially distance. So tell me how cars are like COVID.

 

[UncleMark]

I continue to be stunned that this family of circus clowns, grifters, snake oil salespeople, still have the support of half the population of the United States.

Not the quickest learners. Four years, 25,000 lies later just isn't quite enough time to figure things out yet.

Proof that people will sell their souls for tax cuts, Court seats, and fear of the others.

 

[IU_Hickory]

A better comparison is cars. We can control deaths by car accidents easily by banning all automotive travel. About 1.25M die each year from car accidents, that's over 100k per month.

But we don't, because we, as a society, have decided 100k deaths per month is an acceptable amount to have in order to have freedom and economic growth.

Now, at what level of monthly covid deaths are we willing to accept to have freedom and economic growth?

You choose to get in a car, you don't choose to get covid or have someone accidentally cough on you.

Defensive driving can minimize your personal risk of being in those numbers but nothing you can do to help you avoid being a covid statistic if you get it.

Your comparison doesn't hold up

 

[Cortez88]

We can’t control the virus because we have a large percentage of our population that are adult children. They believe not following the rules is a right. They don’t care about the consequences of their decisions and they don’t care about other people.

Covid-19 Is Worse in the Dakotas Now Than It Was in the Spring’s Hot Spots

Covid-19 Is Worse in the Dakotas Now Than It Was in the Spring’s Hot Spots — The Wall Street Journal

In South Dakota the percentage of positive coronavirus tests has soared to more than eight times the World Health Organization’s threshold for businesses to be open. Yet stores and restaurants welcome customers and masks are optional.

apple.news

 

[ribbont]

In the US, 38,000 die per year, so about 1/10th what we are averaging to COVID. We require all new cars to have airbags and seatbelts. We ticket drivers for not wearing seatbelts. Cars are crash tested, anti-lock breaks are fairly standard. More and more cars will warn or self correct if they believe you are falling asleep.

But people will not wear a mask and socially distance. So tell me how cars are like COVID.

Thank you for the correction. I was reading the worldwide annual car deaths.

But my question still stands, at what point do we accept covid deaths? 5k per month? 10k? At what point are we do we start trading a covid death for another?

 

[mainway_toys]

Proof that people will sell their souls for tax cuts, Court seats, and fear of the others.

I think it boils down to the programmability of the human mind and the effectiveness of right-wing media.

 

[ribbont]

You choose to get in a car, you don't choose to get covid or have someone accidentally cough on you. And defensive driving can minimize your personal risk of being in those numbers. Nothing you can do to help you avoid being a covid statistic if you get it.

I disagree. I can stay at home, not leave, have everything delivered, etc. I can choose to do that just like I can choose not to drive.

And people who were killed being run over by a car had no choice.

 

[IU_Hickory]

I disagree. I can stay at home, not leave, have everything delivered, etc. I can choose to do that just like I can choose not to drive.

And people who were killed being run over by a car had no choice.

I said minimize risk, not erase risk. Words are important

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Thank you for the correction. I was reading the worldwide annual car deaths.

But my question still stands, at what point do we accept covid deaths? 5k per month? 10k? At what point are we do we start trading a covid death for another?

I do not know a number. We launched a set of wars costing north of $6 trillion and forever changed flying over 5000 deaths. So is 6 foot distancing and masks an overreach for 200,000?

 

[HillzHoozier]

In the US, 38,000 die per year, so about 1/10th what we are averaging to COVID. We require all new cars to have airbags and seatbelts. We ticket drivers for not wearing seatbelts. Cars are crash tested, anti-lock breaks are fairly standard. More and more cars will warn or self correct if they believe you are falling asleep.

But people will not wear a mask and socially distance. So tell me how cars are like COVID.

2,839,205 deaths in the US in 2018. We are 50k below that in 2020 with 9 weeks to go.

 

[ribbont]

I do not know a number. We launched a set of wars costing north of $6 trillion and forever changed flying over 5000 deaths. So is 6 foot distancing and masks an overreach for 200,000?

No it is not, at least for me.

So is that the solution, masks and distancing? Or do we add lockdowns, or some level of lockdowns? And if we do lockdowns, at what death rate do we lift them?

 

[UncleMark]

So is that the solution, masks and distancing? Or do we add lockdowns, or some level of lockdowns? And if we do lockdowns, at what death rate do we lift them?

Lockdowns are the price one pays for not masking and not distancing.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

2,839,205 deaths in the US in 2018. We are 50k below that in 2020 with 9 weeks to go.

So all these experts quoting excess deaths are lying?

 

[HillzHoozier]

So all these experts quoting excess deaths are lying?

Ask the NCHS.