Devin Davis
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Trying not to be cantankerous but Crean is gone and so is Devin. Whether he could have help us this year is a moot point.
If I NEVER read Crean on this forum again would be OK with me.
He was injured due to being out partying. After his recovery, he was cited for smoking weed in his dorm. He was justifiably dismissed.
If Devin had stayed at IU he would have already graduated so he wouldn't have been on this team.
Wouldn't this have been his 5th year? I've forgotten the year of his accident but I assume that he would have redshirted that season.
What about "Cream"? That is generally how my devices correct the spelling.
But in all seriousness, in his freshman year, I really liked what I saw from Devin ON the court at the end of that first season. He looked like he was settling in and would become a solid contributor. And with Holt, I was even more enthused about his up side.
Now we have an even better player in Justin Smith. What a great first year he has had. He should be even better next year.
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Like it or not, the phone calls he participated in THEN, are legal now. This is why the NCAA body is a joke.
I call him Samscum because he has never apologized as far as I know to Hoosier Nation for what he did to us. Calvin Samscum, yep that is about right.
Not really after what he did to IU but it is a free country so live in the past if you want.
He made illegal recruiting phone calls. It’s not like he paid players. He is a good ball coach, and I’m glad he found a better fit at a school where the stakes are not as high. Shame on us for hiring Davis, Sampson, and Crean.
Like it or not, Sampson obviously is a great coach. 43-15 at IU. Has won 65% of his nearly 800 games. We would have had a couple of banners had he not been caught up in the text issue. Was building a beast. JMHO
Sampson was ultimately going to run afoul of the administration at IU due to his complete disregard for academics, his utter lack of concern for the off-court behavior of players, and his penchant for recruiting kids of questionable character - to put it mildly.
He is a great basketball coach but like a lot of other guys in the game, he doesn't belong in the college ranks. He'll do well at Houston. They don't (and never have) give a damn about the above-mentioned issues. On the heels of a guy like BK who genuinely expected his players to be students, Sampson's culture at IU was going to be challenged. Bloomington is a small town and IU basketball players' every move is noticed. There was significant buzz both on and off campus about the character and shenanigans Sampson's guys were involved in and he was more than willing to cover up everything in his power to cover up.
Again, I'm no fan of Dan Dakich, but DD was genuinely appalled at what was going on in the program when he arrived on Sampson's staff. The housecleaning he did when KS left was done out of a sense of duty to the standards he knew were expected at IU. He paid a heavy price for that.
i've never totally bought this read on what happened. we demonized those kids because there were attached to sampson.
how did they keep their eligibility until that final semester if the were such awful students?
bad character? well, one dummy recruit of sampon's got caught with crack in his shoe but never made it to campus. a couple others got caught smoking weed and missed a couple games? or so we heard? sounds pretty tame compared to some of BK and Crean's guys. and they look like friggin Puritans compared to a lot of teams. so eric gordon was shocked college kids were smoking weed? that's just weird
significant buzz around bloomington? lol. just whispers and rumors? not impressed! the townsfolk are easily stirred up. lol. again, most IU coach's have kids who actually get caught.
dakich appalled? funny that someone who has been involved in college basketball his whole adult life finds a way to be morally appalled at every turn. just like his week at west virgina. he was so outraged that he had to ask for a raise to go back to his old job. but hey, morals aren't free. keep in mind wvu didn't get penalized for anything.
despite the fact he must have had at least some insight into IU at the time, dakich takes the job at IU under sampson, chooses to work with those awful kids, and then manages to become morally appalled all over again right there at the end of what must have been a mind-frig of a season for those kids. shocking! my guess is those kids were burned out and weren't hearing it from st. dakich. so, the program builder that he was, he decides to dismantle the team rather than actually work with some dumb kids who just watched their coach and season implode. and again, these kids are so awful that martyr tom asks but fails to get some of them back on the team.
anyway, not trying to stir it up. just think it's weird how some of this has been rewritten by the hoosier bourgeoisie and now is accepted as fact.
It hasn't been "rewritten". Most of it just did not surface before the NCAA violations made it moot. The character and academic issues were there and building. Several of those guys had issues dating back to high school that sent up red flags for a lot of programs who wouldn't touch them. Granted, there were others who got tainted by being associated who didn't deserve to be.
Failed drug tests and failed courses were backed by documentation, but obviously the specific individuals were not named due to privacy laws. Police responses for disturbances involving IU basketball players were fact, but where there were no arrests, there was no naming of names. A couple of incidences of petty theft (shoplifting) were kept out of the media even though they were common knowledge.
I know a couple of people very well who were working either inside the athletic department or directly involved with IU athletics who both told the same narrative. The Sampson culture was a major departure from what IU basketball had been under both Bob Knight and Mike Davis. The fact that the NCAA acted on the texts before the other things became major issues certainly doesn't mean that there weren't other problems.
not saying you are totally wrong but i know you aren't totally right. lol. where was and is this documentation you speak of? never made it to the media that i recall. if not, why not?? it was all word of mouth. and how could anyone possibly know about disturbances unless they were there? come on, these were just rumors. again, no arrests and no charges. doesn't add up. why would campus and bloomington PD suddenly protect sampson's kids and not BK's or Creans? and okay, you know a guy who knows a guy....ugh
sorry, bro! these stories always did have so many holes. fact is very few people know the whole story and they have personal bias...like Dakich.
the towns folk burned these kids in effigy because their cheating coach got caught cheating
I can't show you proof. In most cases the information is inaccessible. I just know what I know. If that isn't enough for you that's fine. Just pointing out that the rumors were mostly not rumors. The people I know had no bias but were in a position to know what was going on. We're all free to believe what we wish.
Let's all take a moment and thank Adam Herbert for making such a wonderful decision.
Maybe it was his #3 jersey, but Smith made a few OG-like offensive plays in the last home game against OSU. I thought Smith came on late in the season similar to OG in his freshman year. With some guards that can shoot, the front line of Smith, Morgan, and Davis will be pretty nice. McBob off the bench with one of the freshmen would make a nice rotation. I'm curious if Forrester will redshirt? A thin 3 star power forward might benefit from the Race Thompson workout plan.
Those kinds of things happen in virtually every basketball program. Heck, at some programs, kids don't have to get involved in petty theft because they find a way to get a $100,000 unsecured loan from a local jeweler who happens to be a booster of the basketball program (cough, Duke, cough).
The fact is that the NCAA didn't want any part of the Sampson fiasco. They would have sanctioned him for the phone calls, of course, but it would have been a speed bump. Rather, it was geniuses in the Athletic Department who decided that Sampson was a "bad fit" with IU that did him in. They never had his back; on the contrary, they were actively looking for ways to get rid of him from the moment he set foot on campus.
What a shame. If he had stayed, we would have at least one and possibly 2 national championships instead of being an also-ran program.
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Sampson was and is an incredible coach. I don't blame Herbert for hiring him nearly as much as I blame Greenspan and the boobs in the Athletic Department for ratting him out and firing him.
Great is a bit of a stretch. He is a solid defensive coach. His offensive system isn't great unless he has great talent. Everything off the court should have made him untouchable for IU, but I guess he must've covered that up somehow to even get hired by IU. Academics, drug issues, behavior issues, and I won't touch recruitment. Glad he isn't here.
The culture of the program was changing for the worse. He can coach, but couldn't care less about bringing in ambassadors of the University.
I personally meet him at practice here in Washington. .
Super arrogant !
Izzo talked to you like a friend .
Come to think of it I got to meet tons of elite coaches during the Zeller year's. .
Super arrogant !
Izzo talked to you like a friend .
Come to think of it I got to meet tons of elite coaches during the Zeller year's. .
it was about a lot more than just the calls people know about imo.
that said, he was on the NCAA's sht list when IU hired him leaving Dodge just ahead of the posse.
i posted here numerous times when the hire was announced, that the NCAA would literally have a microscope on every team at IU for hiring him.
either the brain trust at IU never figured that out, or they were beyond brazen both in the hire, and their behavior after the fact.
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Sampson should have never been hired at a place like IU in the first place. I don't care how great of a coach he is because he cheated and brought in kids with character problems.
