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Dane Fife not returning

According to check the other thread about Fife and the list of crimes against the program I’m accumulating, chumway. It’s quite an indictment.
Maybe I mean I will give it a few days to see if this is all true. I have seen too many situations where people are destroyed based on rumors that turn out not to be true. I get it is trendy to trash Fife right now but I will withhold judgment for a week or so.
 
It is seems amazing after 10 years as an assistant at a top program suddenly there are all these issues. It just all seems really odd to me. I find it very hard to believe Izzo would have put up with this alleged stuff becasue right now that is all it is. Two sides to every story despite what Fatjohns is saying.

I don't think it would be all that amazing. Fife started out at MSU really young, although did have a relatively long coaching resume, but may have been more deferential to Izzo in the beginning which maybe started a baseline for that relationship/dynamic which may have put Izzo in a better position Fife a tight leash. Izzo may have known that Fife was developing into a powder keg, but knew how to keep him from lit matches.

Also, at MSU, he also had a lower profile because no one really cared what he had to say. But at IU, Fife got a lot of attention as a former player and had more opportunities to run his mouth which may have given him a bigger head and importantly more opportunities to say something stupid. How much were guys like Hunter/Rosemond talking to the media? Probably very little, which is probably the case for Fife at MSU.
 
That's cute and all but like I said, none of that matters if you don't win games. He just put a lot more pressure on himself for the next few years on the court and in recruiting.
Whether or not Fife is on the staff has no bearing on the pressure Woody is under.
 
Yep, If Woody doesn't have a good season this coming year, any pressure he's feeling now from the fanbase will be 100 times greater than what he's getting about Fife.
No they won’t. If he doesn’t win fans will be upset regardless of who is on the staff. The bucks stops on 1 desk and that is the head coach. People weren’t less upset the week before the B1G tournament just because Fife was an assistant then.
 
Who cares if Fife is an IU guy or not? If what is being reported about Fife is true, he should have been fired long before yesterday, regardless of his alumni status. Being an alum doesn't give you the right to be insubordinate. That's Business 101. It would have been a worse look on Woodson to retain Fife simply because he was an alum over putting up with the crap Fife was reportedly doing.
Exactly…and it would have put the program in more of a bind in terms or getting back to the upper echelons of college basketball is Fife was causing recruiting problems in state. Let’s face it, there was a reason Fife was taken off the Xavier Booker recruitment and Kenya took over.
 
The problem with that is that's it gonna be nearly impossible for him to win if most of the fans want him out. Most thought this was a bad hire from the get go and many IU fans had no idea who Woody was when he was hired. My parents have watched every single IU game since Cheaney arrived and they had never heard of Woodson. I guarantee you most HS kids have no idea who he is. He needs to win big starting next season.
That's your opinion and doesn't fit with my experience at all. All of my IU friends thought Woodson was a good hire and were happy to give him a chance at getting it done at IU. We never saw Woodson play at IU because my group of friends and I graduated in 2002 thru 2004. 2003 for me.

You don't equal most. You are just one of some that thought Woodson was a bad hire. We get that you didn't like it but you don't have to bitch about it all the time.
 
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Yep, If Woody doesn't have a good season this coming year, any pressure he's feeling now from the fanbase will be 100 times greater than what he's getting about Fife.
I doubt it many will not judge him until he has at least three years in the job.
 
I don't think it would be all that amazing. Fife started out at MSU really young, although did have a relatively long coaching resume, but may have been more deferential to Izzo in the beginning which maybe started a baseline for that relationship/dynamic which may have put Izzo in a better position Fife a tight leash. Izzo may have known that Fife was developing into a powder keg, but knew how to keep him from lit matches.

Also, at MSU, he also had a lower profile because no one really cared what he had to say. But at IU, Fife got a lot of attention as a former player and had more opportunities to run his mouth which may have given him a bigger head and importantly more opportunities to say something stupid. How much were guys like Hunter/Rosemond talking to the media? Probably very little, which is probably the case for Fife at MSU.
If nothing else I hope people like Joe Hillman can stop with the you gotta have IU guys nonsense. Just hiring an IU guy is not some magic formula for winning and never has been except to guys like him who played 40 years ago.
 
I thought I'd check out this board today after the news about Fife and it's just what I expected to see. The same super negative posters are still super negative and are overreacting as they always do. This board doesn't change.
 
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I thought I'd check out this board today after the news about Fife and it's just what I expected to see. The same super negative posters are still super negative and are overreacting as they always do. This board doesn't change.
I’ll apologize on their behalf for how they’ve disappointed you. Maybe someday we’ll have a good fan base. Someday.
 
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I thought I'd check out this board today after the news about Fife and it's just what I expected to see. The same super negative posters are still super negative and are overreacting as they always do. This board doesn't change.
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BLOOMINGTON, Ind. — It all sounded good at first. While new Indiana athletic director Scott Dolson was busy sweeping away all the stench from the Archie Miller debacle and all that had preceded it, he kept talking about how important it was to rebuild the Indiana basketball family with Indiana basketball people.

That's why he talked to Mike Woodson and Keith Smart and Dane Fife, all former Indiana legends from slightly different generations, during his quick search for a new head coach. Woodson was always his first choice, and Dolson got the deal done swiftly with Woodson, who is still the No. 5 all-time leading scorer in school history and a Bob Knight favorite.

And then it got even better.

Not long after Woodson was hired, he yanked Fife away from Michigan State, where he had been a fiercely loyal — and very successful — assistant to Tom Izzo for 10 years. First Woodson was coming home, and now Fife was, too.

Two of the most favorite shiny apples from the Bob Knight tree, sitting side by side.

But Fife didn't even last a year working for Woodson. Hired on April 5 a year ago, Fife was fired by Woodson on Wednesday. Indiana's news release didn't use that word "fired,'' just saying that Fife ''would not return.''

But let's be clear about this: Woodson, once reaching the conclusion that he couldn't work with Fife for a variety of reasons — and that list is pretty long, according to some reports — fired him.

"Would not return?'' Come on.

If it's not a firing and Indiana wanted to save some face, they simply would have remained mum and told Fife to go find another job first before anything was released. That happens all the time. They could have let this modern-day Hoosier hero leave with some dignity.


It did NOT happen here.

Fife won't have a hard time finding a job, because his resume is solid. We all know that. That's why we were so glad he came back to Bloomington in the first place, with wife and young kids in tow. And that's why it's hard when things don't work out with your own legends.

It is a generational thing, after all. If you're an Indiana fan in your 60s, for many of you, Mike Woodson is your all-time favorite Indiana player. In your 40s, that same phrase might be used for Fife, the 2002 Defensive Player of the year who made it to a national championship game.

Fife was also that last bridge to Bob Knight, which means a hell of a lot to this fan base. Probably too much, to be honest. But that's what is fact. And, facts are facts.

Indiana fans love Mike Woodson, and they love Dane Fife, too. And Wednesday's news of Fife's firing — I'm going to continue to call it that — forced a lot of people to take sides.

First reactions to the news favored Fife, with many wondering if the old man Woodson, who turned 64 years old on Wednesday, had lost it. This was supposed to be a marriage made in Hoosier heaven. Woodson was supposed to turn around the IU program and then hand over the reins to Fife three or four years down the road.

Dolson never said that Fife was the heir apparent, but that sure looked like the plan. And now it's blown up in Indiana's face. This is not a good look, and there's no good way to spin it, because someone has to be thrown under the bus for a failure that didn't even last 12 months.


As the night wore on, it was Fife who got thrown under the bus by the folks at 247Sports. It wasn't in their ''stories'' on the Fife dismissal, but on message boards, their lead Indiana basketball writer accused Fife of being disloyal, stabbing Woodson in the back with people outside of the program, failing in his recruiting responsibilities for the program, and talking repeatedly about his NIL and political beliefs that ran counter to the program's policies.


There was always very little interaction between Woodson and Fife on the bench on game nights. Fife was often further down the bench, talking mostly with the players than with Woodson.

That's not really all that uncommon in college benches, to be honest. There is often some good cop/bad cop stuff going on, but that doesn't look like the case here. Now that we know the outcome, it's likely that Woodson simply didn't want to hear anything that Fife wanted to say. He'd rather do things with Kenya Hunter and Yasir Rosemond, his two other assistants.

On a couple of cases during the regular season, I tried to engage Woodson into conversations about what he was learning about the college game from his assistants. After all, Woodson has been in the NBA for four decades, as a long-time player and then coach. The college game was all new to him.


He never really answered those questions with any specifics, always spoke in generalities and never mentioned Fife, Hunter or Rosemond by name.

Woodson also uses ''I'' instead of ''we'' when talking about coaching decisions. This is his program, and he's always very clear about that. That's why you never heard from any of the three assistants in the media all season. They don't talk about what's going on — Woodson does.



And that's the way it goes.

That's an NBA thing, and Woodson certainly has brought that philosophy along with him. That was part of the reason behind my line of questioning during the season, because I remember back from five or six years ago, when I was writing our IU basketball book ''Missing Banners'' with my friend Terry Hutchens.

I was doing the 1980 chapters in the book. I have talked with Woodson about those years many times — we were classmates, both 1980 grads, and I covered his college career for two-plus years. But I wanted a fresh interview. Woodson was an assistant coach to Doc Rivers with the Los Angeles Clippers at the time, and I went through the Clippers to set up an interview.

I was told no, that Rivers doesn't allow his assistants to talk to the media. It didn't matter that I simply wanted to talk about a college basketball season that took place more than 35 years ago.


But those were the rules.

In this case, there is surely plenty of blame to go around. If those rumors about Fife are true — I cannot confirm them, but also have no reason to not believe them — then Fife is certainly to blame for this divorce. This IU ''brotherhood'' truly does go only so far.

Maybe Woodson could have handled the issues better, too, at least along the way. What's very clear by the firing — there's that word again — was that Woodson is true to his convictions in wanting to do this the right way, his way.

If it doesn't work, then fix it. Woodson has said repeatedly that this all isn't about him. It's about the players, he's always saying, and it's about restoring this Indiana program that he loves so much to the glory that we've all seen before.

If Fife was getting in the way of that, then bye-bye.

There were some people on Wednesday who wanted to accuse Dolson of forcing Fife on Woodson, but that wasn't the case. Woodson spent time with Fife before he hired him, had many long conversations and even said he liked the idea of Dane coming home, too.

Hiring Fife was a great idea in April. The fact that it didn't work out now doesn't change that. You don't re-write history. You just make the move, and move on. But it will be interesting to see the role that Dolson played in dealing with this Woodson-Fife dynamic during the year. He is, after all, the boss to BOTH of them.


If he could have fixed this along the way, he would have. But with how things played out on Wednesday, it's clear that fixing this fractured relationship was never an option. It had gone too far beyond fixing.

Woodson and Fife are both Hoosier legends, both massive fan favorites, so this is hard to watch. It's like watching twin brothers brawling in a fistfight. It's just not a good look.

I really thought that Dane Fife would be the head coach at Indiana when Woodson was ready to hang it up, whenever that might be.

There's no way that happens now. None.

So life goes on, and we move forward. It's going to be interesting to see who Woodson hires next. It will be even more interesting to see where Fife lands. He will have plenty of options, to be sure.

I'm on record for being thrilled that Woodson came back home. Same with Fife. I thoroughly enjoyed being around both of them all season.

It's a shame it didn't work.

It's a real shame that is was so bad that it led to this ugly break-up. They are Hoosiers. They are beloved Hoosiers.

And now it's done. Just like that.
 
After listening to the Rabjohns interview on JMV, Fife and Woodson didn't get along. It was a bad marriage and everyone saw this split coming...and it's for the best. If you read between the lines, it seems like the problem was mostly Dane, not Woody. Rabjohns wouldn't go into the details (hence the interview is not really worth listening to), but there was a laundry list of issues, with many beginning during the Bahamas trip. That said, Rabjohns did confirm that Woody doesn't utilize his assistants or Thad for coaching advice, instead choosing to rely on his NBA Advisors. I was disappointed to hear this.

According to the other sites, not Rabjohns interview, some reasons that Dane was released, include:

1. Dane tweeting his opposition towards NIL (IU made him take the tweets down)
2. Dane not landing any recruits
3. Dane saying that MSU has the best student section
4. Indiana HS coaches not liking Dane at all
5. Dane offering a recruit he was told not to offer (Myles Colvin?)
Rabjohns is a complete clown. He always knows everything after the fact but nothing before. Why anyone would waste their time listening to him is beyond me.
 
What's amazing to me is somehow Michigan State was able to put up with all of this for 10 years while not missing a beat.

Our program is a joke.
You don’t think he acted differently under Izzo, the Dean of the Big Ten? He also didn’t do much recruiting, as I understand, which was a big part of the issue.
 
You have NO way of knowing this.
Earlier you said that you "thought" that Fife was hired by Dolson and not it is a FACT.
I call BS.
Assuming Fife was Dolson's hire (I don't buy it), whatever Fife did had to have been bad enough to warrant him signing off on Woody firing him.

That's why this is one of the biggest reasons I don't believe Fife was a forced hire. If Fife was a forced hire by Dolson, Dolson would have been the one firing Fife, not Woodson. That's what I don't buy there was an agreement for a succession plan that called for Fife to take over in a few years. Woodson wouldn't have had the power to fire his successor.

Fife made a ton of logistical sense last April. Former player who had a decade worth of experience coaching, recruiting, and game planning in the B10. Fife was more tenured in the B10 than every head coach not named Tom Izzo or Matt Painter. Even if Fife wasn't a former IU player, his resume alone warranted a spot on the bench.

People like Bailey will believe what they want to believe, but 1+1 usually equals 2 and it's not hard to connect the dots here.
 
The world weeps when IU goes into protection mode.

The way Fife is being treated is the reason why IU basketball is in its current state. As an organization, IU can’t leave well enough alone. There is something in your organization’s DNA that compels you to trash anyone who parts with your program. It’s like the organization itself has narcissistic personality disorder.
Exactly. We have the dumbest fanbase in college sports and it’s not even close. Everyone who leaves has to be a villain or bad apple to help people feel better about it. Complete clown show.
 
According to who fatjohns? You believe every single rumor that comes? Could there possibly be a coordinated effort to destory Fife and only give one narrative? Just saying lots of time more info come out later that is not part of the original rumors.
Tom Brew, who writes for Sports Illustrated has the same info.
 
Winning is the only thing that matters. It doesn’t matter what the fans think. If we win they want him if we lose they don’t.

some fans might want him out if we win, but they will not be considered.

yes he has to win next year. He has to be better than this year or else people will bitch. That’s the bottom line.
You’re getting better at this.

Winning cures all.
 
Rabjohns is a complete clown. He always knows everything after the fact but nothing before. Why anyone would waste their time listening to him is beyond me.
There have been rumors of this since January. Many people, myself included tried to ignore them because we didn’t want to believe them. It was brought up in chat.
 
Exactly. We have the dumbest fanbase in college sports and it’s not even close. Everyone who leaves has to be a villain or bad apple to help people feel better about it. Complete clown show.
It is amazing it took maybe an hour and the wagons were circled and Fife was villian number one. I cannot see any IU graduate ever wanting to come here and coach after they see how quickly the fan base turned on Fife. Maybe some older guys who played with Woodson but not any of the younger guys. There is not way Michael Lewis would come here he was buddies with Fife.
 
Exactly. We have the dumbest fanbase in college sports and it’s not even close. Everyone who leaves has to be a villain or bad apple to help people feel better about it. Complete clown show.
I’m not going to indict IU’s entire fan base, but many don’t understand how this undercuts everything they claim to be.
 
There have been rumors of this since January. Many people, myself included tried to ignore them because we didn’t want to believe them. It was brought up in chat.
I heard the rumors on another board months ago and got laughed at here. Now suddenly beacause fatjohns confirms the rumors it is gospel. I mean the guy is a tool and always late to the game I canno believe anyone would pay on that site for his info that is always a day late.
 
There have been rumors of this since January. Many people, myself included tried to ignore them because we didn’t want to believe them. It was brought up in chat.
Why can’t you just treat the guy with some dignity and respect? Why is it important to you that he was an unworthy villain?
 
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I’m not going to indict IU’s entire fan base, but many don’t understand how this undercuts everything they claim to be.

Firing an insubordinate doesn’t undercut anything. He wasn’t doing his job well to begin with and became a pain in the ass. Don’t make this harder than it needs to be.
 
I’m not going to indict IU’s entire fan base, but many don’t understand how this undercuts everything they claim to be.
I alway heard no wonder nobody wants to coach here becasue our fans our crazy. Well that has just been proven with the all out assault on a former player. Woodson better win becasue nobody is going to be lining up to come here especially former players.
 
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