Dammit. Iran is Making Me Feel Like a Hypocrite

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Having lived through the latter days of the MLK civil rights era, where the best protests required training in non-violence, I have been nearly uniformly critical of violent protest as an adult. But watching these Iranians go after the morality police and radical Islam has been refreshing.

I am a bad man, grinning.

 

[IUCrazy2]

It isn't violent enough. So far the only people killed have been citizens. They need to start killing their government officials and their state supporters (police, security services, IRGC, etc.) They also need to continue to push instead of petering out like they have done the past several times they have gotten worked up like this.

Nothing is going to change in that country unless the populace is willing to take scalps and commit to a longterm fight. Otherwise, it will be a bunch of noise and the status quo will return in short order, just like it did in 2009.

 

[bub-rub]

It isn't violent enough. So far the only people killed have been citizens. They need to start killing their government officials and their state supporters (police, security services, IRGC, etc.) They also need to continue to push instead of petering out like they have done the past several times they have gotten worked up like this.

Nothing is going to change in that country unless the populace is willing to take scalps and commit to a longterm fight. Otherwise, it will be a bunch of noise and the status quo will return in short order, just like it did in 2009.

Agree with you on one hand, I realize Iranians know the deal on the other. The last time the Iranian people won a revolt they ended up with a religious zealot as a supreme leader. Yuck.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Agree with you on one hand, I realize Iranians know the deal on the other. The last time the Iranian people won a revolt they ended up with a religious zealot as a supreme leader. Yuck.

Yeah, I get it, easy to say from where we are. Just kind of saying that I have seen this before. We are starting to get the articles about how the regime is in trouble. I don't see that at all.

 

[Sope Creek]

Agree with you on one hand, I realize Iranians know the deal on the other. The last time the Iranian people won a revolt they ended up with a religious zealot as a supreme leader. Yuck.

IIRC, the Iranian people won a revolt for the purpose of putting THAT religious zealot in as supreme leader. He's now dead, and the successors are trying to keep things the way they were when the original supreme leader was in office.

It won't work. Neither the leaders now nor the populace now are the same as when Khomeini came to power in 1979. The populace at that time by and large trusted Khomeini's judgment. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result with different people is insanity.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Agree with you on one hand, I realize Iranians know the deal on the other. The last time the Iranian people won a revolt they ended up with a religious zealot as a supreme leader. Yuck.

"How am I looking now?" Signed, Shah Reza Pahlavi.

 

[dbmhoosier]

What a complete disgusting hypocrite. Justin is worse than Biden. Maybe the worst leader in the world.

 

[toastedbread]

IIRC, the Iranian people won a revolt for the purpose of putting THAT religious zealot in as supreme leader. He's now dead, and the successors are trying to keep things the way they were when the original supreme leader was in office.

It won't work. Neither the leaders now nor the populace now are the same as when Khomeini came to power in 1979. The populace at that time by and large trusted Khomeini's judgment. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result with different people is insanity.

They revolted due to corruption. Some were religious zealots, but the revolution was also led by marxists, socialists, and liberals. The problem was that Khomeini's bunch destroyed them after the revolution.

The shah was responsible for his own demise. He was a weak leader unlike his father.

People are angry about a multitude of factors, primarily the economy and inflation. The beating of this woman recently is just a spark. But I don't see anything changing anytime soon. The numbers in the streets are small and who has the weapons. If people are still going to work it's not that serious yet.

 

[toastedbread]

Yeah, I get it, easy to say from where we are. Just kind of saying that I have seen this before. We are starting to get the articles about how the regime is in trouble. I don't see that at all.

They are not in serious trouble. But there is a cottage industry whose livelihood is dependent on claiming they are at risk. Until there are millions of people in the streets ready to fight to the death they are not in trouble. This is the first time in recent memory that people are actively confronting the police. With the state of inflation, some folks have had enough.

 

[Sope Creek]

"How am I looking now?" Signed, Shah Reza Pahlavi.

Um . . . dead. Still.

 

[Spartans9312]

It isn't violent enough. So far the only people killed have been citizens. They need to start killing their government officials and their state supporters (police, security services, IRGC, etc.) They also need to continue to push instead of petering out like they have done the past several times they have gotten worked up like this.

Nothing is going to change in that country unless the populace is willing to take scalps and commit to a longterm fight. Otherwise, it will be a bunch of noise and the status quo will return in short order, just like it did in 2009.

We will help the regime with cash and sanctions relief

 

[DANC]

IIRC, the Iranian people won a revolt for the purpose of putting THAT religious zealot in as supreme leader. He's now dead, and the successors are trying to keep things the way they were when the original supreme leader was in office.

It won't work. Neither the leaders now nor the populace now are the same as when Khomeini came to power in 1979. The populace at that time by and large trusted Khomeini's judgment. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result with different people is insanity.

Dennis Miller had a bit on the Khomeini funeral, but I can't find it. I remember laughing so hard I couldn't breathe.

Go to around the 1:50 mark. Hilarity ensues.

 

[dbmhoosier]

What a complete disgusting hypocrite. Justin is worse than Biden. Maybe the worst leader in the world.

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My bad Justin. You're the 2nd worst leader in the world.