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It has been really interesting watching the #IUFB culture develop since CTA was named head coach. It’s easy to love a coach after perhaps your biggest win in over 30 years, but it seems pretty clear from the results and what we can see on social media that the players love CTA, and he seems to genuinely care about and love them. In an era with a lot of coach/player friction and social unrest both in and out of locker rooms, it is really striking to see the players embrace the coach in what seems to be a warm and authentic way. There will always be lots of Xs and Os to critique, but it’s undeniable that CTA has really changed the culture of the IUFB program. And he did it remarkably fast. Good on ya, coach.
 
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Couldn't agree more.

The LEO concept isn't about sitting in a circle & holding hands & singing. It's about working hard for each other & having accountability to the program and your teammates.

And you can LEO while still being kind of a dick. I worked a construction job in college and I was super hard on all the new guys that didn't want to work. I'd rather run someone off the jobsite that wasn't going to contribute and make my life harder. Once you were able to weed out the kids who didn't want to work and EVERYONE was busting ass, it ended up being easier and more productive for everybody. And I'm still in touch with the guys that stuck it out 15 years later. Bonds get formed when you're in it together like that. And it clearly shows through with those post game videos with how the guys respond to him.
 
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TMFT said:
Couldn't agree more.

The LEO concept isn't about sitting in a circle & holding hands & singing. It's about working hard for each other & having accountability to the program and your teammates.

And you can LEO while still being kind of a dick. I worked a construction job in college and I was super hard on all the new guys that didn't want to work. I'd rather run someone off the jobsite that wasn't going to contribute and make my life harder. Once you were able to weed out the kids who didn't want to work and EVERYONE was busting ass, it ended up being easier and more productive for everybody. And I'm still in touch with the guys that stuck it out 15 years later. Bonds get formed when you're in it together like that. And it clearly shows through with those post game videos with how the guys respond to him.
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AND....he is a testifying Christian,
employed at a progressive, secular institution which leans Socialist.
 
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goody1986 said:
It has been really interesting watching the #IUFB culture develop since CTA was named head coach. It’s easy to love a coach after perhaps your biggest win in over 30 years, but it seems pretty clear from the results and what we can see on social media that the players love CTA, and he seems to genuinely care about and love them. In an era with a lot of coach/player friction and social unrest both in and out of locker rooms, it is really striking to see the players embrace the coach in what seems to be a warm and authentic way. There will always be lots of Xs and Os to critique, but it’s undeniable that CTA has really changed the culture of the IUFB program. And he did it remarkably fast. Good on ya, coach.
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I’d call this a massive overreaction right now. We could easily lose to Rutgers next week and then it’s back to the drawing board. Let’s see how the season plays out.
 
gator mcCluskey said:
I’d call this a massive overreaction right now. We could easily lose to Rutgers next week and then it’s back to the drawing board. Let’s see how the season plays out.
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We won 8 games last year for the first time in 25 years. We just beat a top 10 team for the first time in 33 years. We are currently ranked in the top 20 for the first time in 27 years. It’s ok to be pleased.
 
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Guess someone is against k-12 public schools or have no clue what socialism actually is other than mama at fox news told them it was bad.
 
Al Bino said:
I know I shouldn't go down this rabbit hole but....

You think socialism is good?
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It's not bad and it is been a part of America since before any of us were born. Not saying become a full on socialist country but people acting like the word socialism is evil probably had no issue with taking advantage of public education ;). I find that people don't have issue with it when it benefits them, just if it benefits others.
 
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IU_Hickory said:
Guess we should get him a bucket of water in case his house catches on fire. can't use something you're against after all
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History lesson: back in the founding era, before tax funded fire departments, if you wanted fire protection you had to join a "mutual". (That's why so many insurance companies today have "mutual" in their names.) When you joined and paid, you got a large metal casting with a number or logo on it, to be mounted on the front of your house or building. If it caught on fire, the mutual's fire crew would respond, but if you didn't have the "fire mark" on the front of the building they let it burn.
 
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goody1986 said:
It has been really interesting watching the #IUFB culture develop since CTA was named head coach. It’s easy to love a coach after perhaps your biggest win in over 30 years, but it seems pretty clear from the results and what we can see on social media that the players love CTA, and he seems to genuinely care about and love them. In an era with a lot of coach/player friction and social unrest both in and out of locker rooms, it is really striking to see the players embrace the coach in what seems to be a warm and authentic way. There will always be lots of Xs and Os to critique, but it’s undeniable that CTA has really changed the culture of the IUFB program. And he did it remarkably fast. Good on ya, coach.
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Yup. & Authentic is the right word. It's not a lot of people that you can watch. & listen to & INSTANTLY determine that they're genuine, & you don't have to wonder if it's lip service. That's a unique & powerful quality in a person, & a coach, & I think has a LOT to do with our success. That's what they call "buy in", & everyone does it when they KNOW their leader is legit with what he says. CTA is 100% honest when he says he's there for...heck, he does it for players on other teams, players that have left IU. Once he tells someone "if you ever need anything let me know", he'd do anything for them too. Motivation is a difference maker in an emotional game like Football & CTA motivates people. Me included!
 
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Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

The socialism in America refers to giving equal opportunity to something irregardless of how much money you put into the pot that funds it, such as public education or the fire department coming to save your house.

Some news media tries to lie to the American public and pretend it is some evil, vile thing that we should all be scared of.

Democrats want gun control, Republicans falsely claim they're coming for your guns.
Democrats want public services that benefit all, Republicans claim we want to turn America into North Korea
Democrats want police reform, Republicans claim they're trying to defund the police
Democrats support the right to protest, Republicans claim they're defending rioting.

Educate yourself what socialism actually means in the context of America and the other lies meant to misconstrue what the party is really about.

If republicans were really pro-life (not just pro-birth) then they would support some of the "socialist" initiatives that would help everyone, including the poor.
 
Al Bino said:
Not the public school system or a fire department. I can really see how those two entities have anything to do with socialism.

I think of when the government takes over businesses, resources, farm ground, etc. Basically the death of capitalism. No stock exchange, No entrepreneurship. The Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea.

I think this, that I pulled off the web, states it pretty succintly.

"Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production. Those means include the machinery, tools, and factories used to produce goods that aim to directly satisfy human needs."

or

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. "

Is there more than one meaning?
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So for instance government farm subsidy payments? Wait, its ok for the government to step in and help there....but gosh forbid anyone else gets the same treatment..."socialist!"

Free/reduced school lunches? Earned income tax credits? Child tax credits? All things many anti-socialists reap benefits of and are part of the Welfare Program. I'd laugh to see the face of some people if those benefits were removed.

I think people have been fed so much nonsense and we're way closer than they have been made to believe.
 
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Al Bino said:
Well, IMO, socialism is something vile and evil. It is the government owning and running EVERYTHING. It takes away incentive and entrepreneurship. It takes away virtually everything that made this country great and besides that it just doesn't work that well.
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Your definition is inaccurate. What you describe above is COMMUNISM, not SOCIALISM. Additionally, like democracy, every socialist or communist system is different. There is really no blueprint or orthodoxy in any of these systems. In practice, they are spectra, not rigidly defined.

And while one might not consider public schools or public fire protection inherently socialist, certainly Medicare and Social Security absolutely are. And both of those programs were vehemently protested against by conservatives at the time of their passage as socialism. But I never met a Republican in my life who refused to draw the benefits of those programs because he was taking an ideological stand against socialist policy.
 
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Al Bino said:
Not the public school system or a fire department. I can really see how those two entities have anything to do with socialism.

I think of when the government takes over businesses, resources, farm ground, etc. Basically the death of capitalism. No stock exchange, No entrepreneurship. The Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea.

I think this, that I pulled off the web, states it pretty succintly.

"Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production. Those means include the machinery, tools, and factories used to produce goods that aim to directly satisfy human needs."

or

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. "

Is there more than one meaning?
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I grew up in a military family. I lived on military bases. We bought our food from the commissary on the base. I went bowling and went to movies where I had to show my military ID. And last but not least when I was sick or had to get a cast for some stitches I went to the military Hospital. All provided by the United States government. Does that mean I am a socialist?

The roads, Bridges and tunnels I travel on are built with a combination of federal, state and local funds

The FCC monitors a lot of what I watch or listen to. Those things I eat are monitored by the FDA. Same with drugs. Does that make me a socialist?

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Does IU run the fire department and public schools?
There are some truly stupid posters on peegs.....
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There certainly are!
 
IU_Hickory said:
Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

The socialism in America refers to giving equal opportunity to something irregardless of how much money you put into the pot that funds it, such as public education or the fire department coming to save your house.

Some news media tries to lie to the American public and pretend it is some evil, vile thing that we should all be scared of.

Democrats want gun control, Republicans falsely claim they're coming for your guns.
Democrats want public services that benefit all, Republicans claim we want to turn America into North Korea
Democrats want police reform, Republicans claim they're trying to defund the police
Democrats support the right to protest, Republicans claim they're defending rioting.

Educate yourself what socialism actually means in the context of America and the other lies meant to misconstrue what the party is really about.

If republicans were really pro-life (not just pro-birth) then they would support some of the "socialist" initiatives that would help everyone, including the poor.
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See Venezuela..
From one of the wealthiest countries in the world, world class healthcare, petroleum industry generating $Billions of foreign investment, highest standard of living in Central or South America....

To a shambles in only one generation of socialist control...the unfortunate homeless and jobless ate their pets and zoo animals...

Some fvcking ethos.....
Al Bino said:
Well, IMO, socialism is something vile and evil. It is the government owning and running EVERYTHING. It takes away incentive and entrepreneurship. It takes away virtually everything that made this country great and besides that it just doesn't work that well.
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The STATE owns everything, to include its SUBJECTS....not citizens..
 
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Your definition is inaccurate. What you describe above is COMMUNISM, not SOCIALISM. Additionally, like democracy, every socialist or communist system is different. There is really no blueprint or orthodoxy in any of these systems. In practice, they are spectra, not rigidly defined.

And while one might not consider public schools or public fire protection inherently socialist, certainly Medicare and Social Security absolutely are. And both of those programs were vehemently protested against by conservatives at the time of their passage as socialism. But I never met a Republican in my life who refused to draw the benefits of those programs because he was taking an ideological stand against socialist policy.
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Medicare and social security fees are paid by Taxpaying citizens and employers over the entirety of one's working life. It is the STATE which has socialized those funds and used the money for entitlements. Again, the STATE is not synonymous with the CITIZENRY!
 
Al Bino said:
Well, IMO, socialism is something vile and evil. It is the government owning and running EVERYTHING. It takes away incentive and entrepreneurship. It takes away virtually everything that made this country great and besides that it just doesn't work that well.
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Did you even read my post?

That is not what socialism is at all in the context of our country.

Explain how public schools, fire departments, medicare, and social security are vile and evil?

Will you need time to call fox news so they can give you an explanation?
 
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Mas-sa-suta said:
Medicare and social security fees are paid by Taxpaying citizens and employers over the entirety of one's working life. It is the STATE which has socialized those funds and used the money for entitlements. Again, the STATE is not synonymous with the CITIZENRY!
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I hate that a positive thread about the biggest IU win in 30+ years is hijacked to become a political thread.

But such is life, so here we go.

You literally have zero idea about what you're talking about.

1) yes, Medicare & SS are paid for by taxes. The current generation is paying for current retirees through payroll taxes. That is the very definition of a democratic-socialist, or welfare state, or whatever you want to call it program. It's certainly not a pre-pay for benefits because you don't have to pay into them for a lifetime to get the benefit and someone can conceivably receive much more than they pay in over time.
2) The State has NOT socialized those funds beyond the intended use. That actually doesn't even make sense because if they've been collected as taxes to pay for social programs, they've already been socialized FOR the intended use.
3) Medicare & SS funds are not used in the general budget, which I think is what you're getting at. The government HAS historically used the trust funds to buy US Treasuries because it provides at least SOME rate of return and reduces the need for others to buy up the treasuries. And if our own US bonds aren't a safe enough investment for to get into, we've got bigger problems.
4) The STATE 100% is the citizenry to the extent that the representatives are elected by the people and should be reflective of the people. If you dislike the leadership, elect someone else. If your problem, on the other hand, is that not every citizen agrees with your uninformed (or at least incomplete) views, then suck it up buttercup & welcome to representative democracy.

Go Hoosiers!
 
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Al Bino said:
We are DEFINITELY closer than what I want but I am also don't think any of those things you listed fall under the umbrella of socialism unless one greatly expands the conventional definition.
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So Welfare isn't a socialist program? Just making sure I am clear on what you are saying is all.
 
TMFT said:
I hate that a positive thread about the biggest IU win in 30+ years is hijacked to become a political thread.
Go Hoosiers!
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You are SO right and I apologize to the board for starting this melee.
I knew better but did not listen to myself.

So, I will remove myself from this thread and delete my posts. Hopefully that will end the inappropriate discussion.
 
82hoosier said:
Socialist. Hmmm. Like the fire department or the public school system?
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That isn't what socialism means or is. "The government does stuff" does not imply socialism. (Though some particularly poorly informed people might claim otherwise.)
 
that is what it is about when talking about democratic socialism. no one in America is talking about Al Bino's definition of socialism coming to us. confusing the 2 is just the republicans way of misrepresenting the other party to make sure their followers consider democrats as evil.
 
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