Crean is a genius.. Clearly saving our best line-up of Yogi
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Re: With all due respect, CTC is not a genius, but he's not "mediocre" either
In his career his average finish is in the 4-5th place range, and thats after taking out his first 3 years here..He has more 8-9th place finishes than he does 1-2nd finishes...he has failed to make the NCAAT 5 out of twelve years..and in the 7 tourneys he did make he didn't get past the first wkend in 4 of them..only making it past the sweet 16 once with DWade
What about his record isn't mediocre?
TC is a good coach..the kind of coach Iowa or a VaTech would be happy to have, but not good enough for a team that is wanting to be consistently back on the national map with the blue bloods. Unfortunately he is good enough to win just enough for him not to be fired...and that is worse then having an awful coach
In his career his average finish is in the 4-5th place range, and thats after taking out his first 3 years here..He has more 8-9th place finishes than he does 1-2nd finishes...he has failed to make the NCAAT 5 out of twelve years..and in the 7 tourneys he did make he didn't get past the first wkend in 4 of them..only making it past the sweet 16 once with DWade
What about his record isn't mediocre?
TC is a good coach..the kind of coach Iowa or a VaTech would be happy to have, but not good enough for a team that is wanting to be consistently back on the national map with the blue bloods. Unfortunately he is good enough to win just enough for him not to be fired...and that is worse then having an awful coach
TC has said repeatedly, that he isn't going to play 3 freshman at the same time...so barring injury this line up isn't going to happen
Re: With all due respect, CTC is not a genius, but he's not "mediocre" either
"We're not as good as we can be,.....We're not big,....We're young,....Will we get better, perhaps."
Some quotes from a coach making some $8-9 million a year, Tom Crean.....? No, but rather Coach K. after defeating Virginia yesterday.
I'm not comparing the two on coaching prowess, but rather two coaches using similar language about their team. How can, one be right, the other disparaged for saying it is what it is.
If one measures coaches on win/loss record only, how would you currently rate Coach Stevens and his Boston record? Is it the past or the future we should be most interested in?
It seems to this poster, Stevens and Crean were hired into similar situations, caused by different situations. Neither has/will go straight to where their current teams once were. Crean's IU is back to where we were much of the nineties, Stevens has a ways to go and has been given time to do so, as has Crean.
Anyone here want to hear the monotony of comparing Stevens to Red Auerbach (sp?) when it's useless, and for many of the same reasons, those wanting to continually compare Crean to other coaches gets boring as well.
"We're not as good as we can be,.....We're not big,....We're young,....Will we get better, perhaps."
Some quotes from a coach making some $8-9 million a year, Tom Crean.....? No, but rather Coach K. after defeating Virginia yesterday.
I'm not comparing the two on coaching prowess, but rather two coaches using similar language about their team. How can, one be right, the other disparaged for saying it is what it is.
If one measures coaches on win/loss record only, how would you currently rate Coach Stevens and his Boston record? Is it the past or the future we should be most interested in?
It seems to this poster, Stevens and Crean were hired into similar situations, caused by different situations. Neither has/will go straight to where their current teams once were. Crean's IU is back to where we were much of the nineties, Stevens has a ways to go and has been given time to do so, as has Crean.
Anyone here want to hear the monotony of comparing Stevens to Red Auerbach (sp?) when it's useless, and for many of the same reasons, those wanting to continually compare Crean to other coaches gets boring as well.
Re: With all due respect, CTC is not a genius, but he's not "mediocre" either
Just guessing.
I dunno. Maybe because one is the winningest coach in the history of men's college hoops, has 4 titles, has the 4th ranked team in the nation, and is a 2015 championship threat...while the other is Tom Crean?
Just guessing.
It was said....
I wasn't comparing the coaches, just what both had to say about their teams, but thanks anyway for taking things out of context vbg
The language was not only similar, but supposedly descriptive of both teams. Which team's description do you not agree with?
This post was edited on 2/2 12:30 PM by outanames
I wasn't comparing the coaches, just what both had to say about their teams, but thanks anyway for taking things out of context vbg
The language was not only similar, but supposedly descriptive of both teams. Which team's description do you not agree with?
This post was edited on 2/2 12:30 PM by outanames
Re: Well said...
He will probably win just enough games to make Fred glass very happy and maybe another extension!!!
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He will probably win just enough games to make Fred glass very happy and maybe another extension!!!
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He said he played 4 freshen in the end yesterday
In his post game interview he said he was playing 4 freshmen on the floor at the same time during their late 2nd half run. I don't remember that and didn't save the tape of the game.
Anyone else remember that lineup and when it took place?
In his post game interview he said he was playing 4 freshmen on the floor at the same time during their late 2nd half run. I don't remember that and didn't save the tape of the game.
Anyone else remember that lineup and when it took place?
I'm beginning to think Glass...
... is clueless too.
Calling Crean "the answer" and not "part of the problem" when the off-the-court issues arose last fall was pretty stupid. It's not like Crean just showed up. All of those issues happened under his watch.
... is clueless too.
Calling Crean "the answer" and not "part of the problem" when the off-the-court issues arose last fall was pretty stupid. It's not like Crean just showed up. All of those issues happened under his watch.
Oh good Lord...
Comparing a coach who has FOUR national titles and consistently elite teams to Crean is just stupid.
Coach K has earned the right to say whatever he wants. Stevens took mostly under-talented teams to back-to-back NCAA title games.
Crean will do NONE of the above. He hasn't in nearly 20 years of being a head coach. Don't hold your breath!
Comparing a coach who has FOUR national titles and consistently elite teams to Crean is just stupid.
Coach K has earned the right to say whatever he wants. Stevens took mostly under-talented teams to back-to-back NCAA title games.
Crean will do NONE of the above. He hasn't in nearly 20 years of being a head coach. Don't hold your breath!
It's important to remember that it was Glass...
...who orchestrated the extension and agreed to the exorbitant buyout numbers. As such, he's trapped. To make a change now is to admit that he made a $12,000,000 blunder. If he followed that up with another disappointing hire he knows he'd be finished.
It doesn't really matter if Glass thinks Crean is actually part of the solution. (I can't imagine he really thinks that but who knows.) Their wagons are hitched. Glass simply has to hope that CTC puts out a semi-respectable product for three or four more seasons when he can move forward without having to justify his previous decisions on CTC's contract.
...who orchestrated the extension and agreed to the exorbitant buyout numbers. As such, he's trapped. To make a change now is to admit that he made a $12,000,000 blunder. If he followed that up with another disappointing hire he knows he'd be finished.
It doesn't really matter if Glass thinks Crean is actually part of the solution. (I can't imagine he really thinks that but who knows.) Their wagons are hitched. Glass simply has to hope that CTC puts out a semi-respectable product for three or four more seasons when he can move forward without having to justify his previous decisions on CTC's contract.
Re: It's important to remember that it was Glass...
You are aware that the athletic dept. has never been on firmer ground financially? Only people looking for style over substance could argue the finances. As long as the product sells well, time is on our side.
You are aware that the athletic dept. has never been on firmer ground financially? Only people looking for style over substance could argue the finances. As long as the product sells well, time is on our side.
Re: With all due respect, CTC is not a genius, but he's not "mediocre" either
Poor analogy. Stevens can't recruit to his system like a college coach, he might have very little say in his personnel unlike a college coach. TC doesn't have salary cap issues, he doesn't have a GM trading his best players for cap room and draft picks. TC is solely responsible for his roster
Coach K can say what he wants he wins big consistently. If TC won like him we wouldn't carr what he was saying. We would even forgive a poor season...,but like I said he doesn't win big he is a middling coach
Poor analogy. Stevens can't recruit to his system like a college coach, he might have very little say in his personnel unlike a college coach. TC doesn't have salary cap issues, he doesn't have a GM trading his best players for cap room and draft picks. TC is solely responsible for his roster
Coach K can say what he wants he wins big consistently. If TC won like him we wouldn't carr what he was saying. We would even forgive a poor season...,but like I said he doesn't win big he is a middling coach
Wait a minute. Who is taking things out of context?
I'd say Hank Reardon was adding some much needed context to your comparison of similarly worded comments about teams and programs that are on very different trajectories, coming from two coaches with very different career accomplishments.
I'd say Hank Reardon was adding some much needed context to your comparison of similarly worded comments about teams and programs that are on very different trajectories, coming from two coaches with very different career accomplishments.
make no mistake. I fully comprehended your post.
Two coaches made descriptions of their teams that are accurate.
Crean is disparaged because he has a history of mediocrity, a poorly managed and unbalanced roster, and has his unranked team playing some of the worst defense in program history.
Coach K is not being disparaged because... I mean...do I really need to explain? His team is perennial top 5 and just knocked off Virginia.
The fact is that these comments were made by two different coaches managing very different programs, with very different bodies of work. It would be stupid not to acknowledge those facts when digesting their respective comments about their teams.
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Two coaches made descriptions of their teams that are accurate.
Crean is disparaged because he has a history of mediocrity, a poorly managed and unbalanced roster, and has his unranked team playing some of the worst defense in program history.
Coach K is not being disparaged because... I mean...do I really need to explain? His team is perennial top 5 and just knocked off Virginia.
The fact is that these comments were made by two different coaches managing very different programs, with very different bodies of work. It would be stupid not to acknowledge those facts when digesting their respective comments about their teams.
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Re: make no mistake. I fully comprehended your post.
Your first sentence is correct and then you change the subject. I never compared the coaches, only their descriptions of their teams. Crean was disparaged on this site when he first described his team. In fact, he's disparaged by some for whatever.
Like Crean, Coach K was disparaged his first 3-4 years at Duke. Those folks had little foresight, only hindsight, like some on this board.
Some are "what have you done for us lately fans." There are also some who hang through thick and thin, without expanding on all of the disparities falling on the coach. When things go well, you fall silent, but a slip brings blasphemy for Crean, and that's after 20 years of slips from time to time.
Your first sentence is correct and then you change the subject. I never compared the coaches, only their descriptions of their teams. Crean was disparaged on this site when he first described his team. In fact, he's disparaged by some for whatever.
Like Crean, Coach K was disparaged his first 3-4 years at Duke. Those folks had little foresight, only hindsight, like some on this board.
Some are "what have you done for us lately fans." There are also some who hang through thick and thin, without expanding on all of the disparities falling on the coach. When things go well, you fall silent, but a slip brings blasphemy for Crean, and that's after 20 years of slips from time to time.
I wouldn't say I changed the subject
I'm just pointing out that the comments carry different weight & meaning coming from the two coaches, based on the larger context of their accomplishments and program trajectories. I understand you're not comparing the coaches, but you ARE trying to understand why their comments get decidedly different reactions. Their comments exist in this larger context, and so you must compare the coaches to understand why their comments get different reactions.
And, while I understand the sentiment of the free board goes through wild swings after each W or L, I have remained consistent in my concerns about CTC as the leader of this program since he subbed Zeller out against Butler. I became more vocal about those concerns when that team trailed off at the end of the season and then got embarrassed against Syracuse. Last season and this season, along with the future recruiting pipeline and heavy roster turnover have only confirmed my concerns.
I'm not 'done' with CTC completely, but it would take 3 successful seasons in a row (i.e. Top 3-4 B1G every year, 2 S16s, 1 E8/F4 in the next 3 yrs, competitive team on defense) to change me over to optimistic.
I'm just pointing out that the comments carry different weight & meaning coming from the two coaches, based on the larger context of their accomplishments and program trajectories. I understand you're not comparing the coaches, but you ARE trying to understand why their comments get decidedly different reactions. Their comments exist in this larger context, and so you must compare the coaches to understand why their comments get different reactions.
And, while I understand the sentiment of the free board goes through wild swings after each W or L, I have remained consistent in my concerns about CTC as the leader of this program since he subbed Zeller out against Butler. I became more vocal about those concerns when that team trailed off at the end of the season and then got embarrassed against Syracuse. Last season and this season, along with the future recruiting pipeline and heavy roster turnover have only confirmed my concerns.
I'm not 'done' with CTC completely, but it would take 3 successful seasons in a row (i.e. Top 3-4 B1G every year, 2 S16s, 1 E8/F4 in the next 3 yrs, competitive team on defense) to change me over to optimistic.
Neither, really...
Agreeing or disagreeing with each coach's assessment of his team isn't what causes one of them to be disparaged.
In Coach K's case, this type of comment breeds confidence in the direction of the team this season. They just knocked off 1 of 2 undefeated teams, are ranked in the top 10 and appear poised to earn a 1-2 seed in the tourney and make a deep run. I see that comment and think the sky is the limit for this team if they are playing this well and still developing. It's a coach that has his team playing well but isn't happy with where they are yet. And, while Coach K might feel his roster is undersized relative to his wishes, it is not really undersized at all compared to IU's (which is woefully undersized).
In CTC's case, this type of comment smacks of an excuse for the team's poor play, especially after getting steamrolled twice in a row to unranked teams. Couple that with the fact that Crean's young & undersized team is a result of his own poor roster management and you get people shaking their heads at these comments.
Agreeing or disagreeing with each coach's assessment of his team isn't what causes one of them to be disparaged.
In Coach K's case, this type of comment breeds confidence in the direction of the team this season. They just knocked off 1 of 2 undefeated teams, are ranked in the top 10 and appear poised to earn a 1-2 seed in the tourney and make a deep run. I see that comment and think the sky is the limit for this team if they are playing this well and still developing. It's a coach that has his team playing well but isn't happy with where they are yet. And, while Coach K might feel his roster is undersized relative to his wishes, it is not really undersized at all compared to IU's (which is woefully undersized).
In CTC's case, this type of comment smacks of an excuse for the team's poor play, especially after getting steamrolled twice in a row to unranked teams. Couple that with the fact that Crean's young & undersized team is a result of his own poor roster management and you get people shaking their heads at these comments.
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