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I don't feel like paying the $1 for 6 months fee to read the Indystar online (not worth it), but I guess Doyle blasted Wentz for not getting the vaccine. I think he also said he was selfish, in a locker room full of selfish players.
I didn't read the article either, but Wentz comes from N Dakota, a state with barely a 41% vax rate. So I wouldn't be shocked to discover he isn't vaxed...
 
. . . the differences between vaccination and living in a high-risk area?
Do I make a distinction between vaccination and living in a high-risk area? I wasn't aware of it, if I did . . .

. . . the cost of living in a risk-venturing society is that we tend not to let folks drown in a single stupid decision/risk-taken. I think that's why there are bankruptcy laws instead of debtors' prisons in the US. That said, when the cost of recovering folks from their, um, lack of application of common sense becomes greater than those charged with the responsibility of their recovery - regarding vaccinations, that would be where ICUs are overwhelmed, and medical personnel cannot live their normal lives reasonably, and regarding living in a high-risk area, that would be the multiplicity of rescuing/rebuilding in an area that might be paradise for the few, but is a cost burden for the many - can reasonably bear, then society has a responsibility to say "enough, no more".

Now that I think about it, the "single stupid decision/risk-taken" ethos is likely why I tend to favor college debt forgiveness . . . although I would prefer that we allow bankruptcy for college debt instead. The risks would then transfer back to those most capable of assessing and bearing the loss - the lenders. And this is from someone who incurred and paid back student loans back when college and grad school costs were reasonable. I'd suggest that the cost of college has gone up disproportionately with the deniability of student debt discharge under bankruptcy law.
 
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Can you link to your posts condemning Mas? You know since you abhor "hatred, bigotry, intolerance, and ignorance" and can't just ignore it?

They may actually exist, I don't know. But I certainly don't remember any...
I don't remember any either, but then I don't often read jet's posts . . . .
 
I didn't read the article either, but Wentz comes from N Dakota, a state with barely a 41% vax rate. So I wouldn't be shocked to discover he isn't vaxed...
article on Wentz at NBC. Science denying plague rats have a new hero, it seems.

 
article on Wentz at NBC. Science denying plague rats have a new hero, it seems.

Maybe he just doesn't want to play any more.
 
I don't remember any either, but then I don't often read jet's posts . . . .
I am not a moderator & am not bound to equality or fairness in where I levy my criticism. For every Mas there are 5 libs on the board slinging mud & insults at good people because of who they voted for or their party affiliation. It’s less about being opposed to ideologies than the people & their deplorable tactics. You guys can tell yourselves whatever makes you feel better about where my actual political allegiance lies, but overall there has been a profound difference in how the conservative post here vs the liberals, with a few exceptions. Enemy of my enemy…
 
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Do I make a distinction between vaccination and living in a high-risk area? I wasn't aware of it, if I did . . .

Not explicitly, but it seemed like you were being more empathetic to those living in a high-risk area. Forgive me if I misread that.

. . . the cost of living in a risk-venturing society is that we tend not to let folks drown in a single stupid decision/risk-taken. I think that's why there are bankruptcy laws instead of debtors' prisons in the US. That said, when the cost of recovering folks from their, um, lack of application of common sense becomes greater than those charged with the responsibility of their recovery - regarding vaccinations, that would be where ICUs are overwhelmed, and medical personnel cannot live their normal lives reasonably, and regarding living in a high-risk area, that would be the multiplicity of rescuing/rebuilding in an area that might be paradise for the few, but is a cost burden for the many - can reasonably bear, then society has a responsibility to say "enough, no more".

I agree. There have been numerous warnings over the past several years about a repeat of Katrina, or worse. And yet, it seems like nobody listened.

FWIW, I thoroughly enjoy New Orleans (for 2-3 days), so I'm not rooting for the city to disappear. But, I am tired of the lack of common sense and this seems like a no brainer.

If people come back and rebuild for a third time in the past decade, I'm not sure what to think when the seemingly inevitable happens again.

Now that I think about it, the "single stupid decision/risk-taken" ethos is likely why I tend to favor college debt forgiveness . . . although I would prefer that we allow bankruptcy for college debt instead. The risks would then transfer back to those most capable of assessing and bearing the loss - the lenders. And this is from someone who incurred and paid back student loans back when college and grad school costs were reasonable. I'd suggest that the cost of college has gone up disproportionately with the deniability of student debt discharge under bankruptcy law.

I also would prefer to allow bankruptcy because it will impact the lenders, although the majority of student loans are publicly subsidized, so the taxpayer will likely be on the hook in any event.

Playing devil's advocate, while allowing those loans to be discharged, will that actually require government agencies or GSEs to clamp down like you will see from the private lenders? Or will there be political intervention that forces them to continue lending, even with higher risk?

And a follow-up, if lenders do reduce their exposure, we collectively agree that will reduce the costs. However, with less available financing, will that further the disparities between Asian and White attendees and Black and Hispanic attendees since the savings/means will be much more important?
 
Not explicitly, but it seemed like you were being more empathetic to those living in a high-risk area. Forgive me if I misread that.



I agree. There have been numerous warnings over the past several years about a repeat of Katrina, or worse. And yet, it seems like nobody listened.

FWIW, I thoroughly enjoy New Orleans (for 2-3 days), so I'm not rooting for the city to disappear. But, I am tired of the lack of common sense and this seems like a no brainer.

If people come back and rebuild for a third time in the past decade, I'm not sure what to think when the seemingly inevitable happens again.



I also would prefer to allow bankruptcy because it will impact the lenders, although the majority of student loans are publicly subsidized, so the taxpayer will likely be on the hook in any event.

Playing devil's advocate, while allowing those loans to be discharged, will that actually require government agencies or GSEs to clamp down like you will see from the private lenders? Or will there be political intervention that forces them to continue lending, even with higher risk?

And a follow-up, if lenders do reduce their exposure, we collectively agree that will reduce the costs. However, with less available financing, will that further the disparities between Asian and White attendees and Black and Hispanic attendees since the savings/means will be much more important?
New Orleans is an economic engine located on the most important navigable river in the country . . . I'm less inclined to drop support for New Orleans than I am for a place like Grand Isle, Louisiana, where folks who live there think it's paradise, but what it has become with climate change is a loaded pair of dice. I'm also less inclined to support someplace like Miami, even if it is an economic engine today . . . it won't be much longer with sea rise.

Regarding student lending, the politics of those will cause the governmental support for programs to rise and fall, depending on the perception of how rich/poor we see the country as a whole. The first step to determining that will be having a reasonable understanding of our national debt position, and whether we've been kidding ourselves regarding whether deficits matter. CoH says no . . . when Republicans occupy the president's office. Me, I think it's going to matter a whole lot more than we've acted upon over the last 40 years . . . Democrats - yes Democrats - may have to fill the political void that the GOP left when they left fiscal responsibility behind in favor of tax cuts and wars driven by borrowing . . . .
 
I am not a moderator & am not bound to equality or fairness in where I levy my criticism. For every Mas there are 5 libs on the board slinging mud & insults at good people because of who they voted for or their party affiliation. It’s less about being opposed to ideologies than the people & their deplorable tactics. You guys can tell yourselves whatever makes you feel better about where my actual political allegiance lies, but overall there has been a profound difference in how the conservative post here vs the liberals, with a few exceptions. Enemy of my enemy…
Boom!
 
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Not explicitly, but it seemed like you were being more empathetic to those living in a high-risk area. Forgive me if I misread that.



I agree. There have been numerous warnings over the past several years about a repeat of Katrina, or worse. And yet, it seems like nobody listened.

FWIW, I thoroughly enjoy New Orleans (for 2-3 days), so I'm not rooting for the city to disappear. But, I am tired of the lack of common sense and this seems like a no brainer.

If people come back and rebuild for a third time in the past decade, I'm not sure what to think when the seemingly inevitable happens again.



I also would prefer to allow bankruptcy because it will impact the lenders, although the majority of student loans are publicly subsidized, so the taxpayer will likely be on the hook in any event.

Playing devil's advocate, while allowing those loans to be discharged, will that actually require government agencies or GSEs to clamp down like you will see from the private lenders? Or will there be political intervention that forces them to continue lending, even with higher risk?

And a follow-up, if lenders do reduce their exposure, we collectively agree that will reduce the costs. However, with less available financing, will that further the disparities between Asian and White attendees and Black and Hispanic attendees since the savings/means will be much more important?
Exactly. It all falls on the taxpayer.

Yep, and if the lenders take the loss, how many will be around very long?

Look, I sympathize with anyone who is in extreme debt to pay for college. But, in my opinion, those who took those kinds of loans took the easy way out. There are other ways to finance education and taking out those kinds of loans is the easiest way. The other ways are hard - working part-time, going to a cheaper regional campus, laying of a year or two to work and save, and joining the military for educational benefits are some ways that help people avoid taking on back-breaking debt.

And if these loans are going to be given, the lender should expect the borrower to have a plan to pay it back. Majoring in gender studies is not conducive to a lucrative career.
 
Not the same spot. This is from The Times of Israel today, in a story about vaccine boosters approved for the population over 40.

"According to experts on the health panel cited by the network, those vaccinated with a booster shot are six to eight times less likely to have a severe case of the disease and four times less likely to get infected, compared with those who received two doses.

The experts also increasingly believe that the Delta variant is not particularly capable of bypassing the Pfizer vaccine used in Israel, rather, it is simply the waning effect of previous shots that is causing vaccinated people to fall ill, according to former Health Ministry director-general Gabi Barbash.

The booster’s ability to once again protect much of the population from Delta once administered is evidence of this, he told Channel 12
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It's not the fault of the Delta Variant--the vax is good enough to cover it..It's all in the math. The car with the bad shock will continue to bob until the forces reach equilibrium...If we could vax everyone on the same day, maybe that would bring equilibrium on more quickly. (like a car with a good shock absorber)

Someone asked me, "Will more people being vaccinated make things better or worse"?
For the usual childhood vaxes, we have a long record of their effectiveness- They seem to confer a high level of immunity for a lifetime (although we were surprised recently about the measles vax).

We all know the shortcomings of the flu vax- the bug mutates so rapidly that a new vax is required each year, PLUS- the vax doesn't seem to confer lasting immunity the way natural infection/recovery does..

Which group will the CoV vax fall into? So far it looks like it's more like the flu vax--Are we prepared to keep immunizing ourselves on a yearly (or less) basis...or should we just let ourselves get infected and forget about it?...If we all take the shot, then the next time this strain comes around, we may suffer the consequence that the severity of this epidemic will be repeated.
 
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Exactly. It all falls on the taxpayer.

Yep, and if the lenders take the loss, how many will be around very long?

Look, I sympathize with anyone who is in extreme debt to pay for college. But, in my opinion, those who took those kinds of loans took the easy way out. There are other ways to finance education and taking out those kinds of loans is the easiest way. The other ways are hard - working part-time, going to a cheaper regional campus, laying of a year or two to work and save, and joining the military for educational benefits are some ways that help people avoid taking on back-breaking debt.

And if these loans are going to be given, the lender should expect the borrower to have a plan to pay it back. Majoring in gender studies is not conducive to a lucrative career.
If the government requires all government contractors to teach gender studies and CRT and other “preferred” social justice theory in order to “qualify” for contract work, a fella could get rich the easy way!
 
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If the government requires all government contractors to teach gender studies and CRT and other “preferred” social justice theory in order to “qualify” for contract work, a fella could get rich the easy way!
Not nearly as efficient as the good old days where all one had to be was a White male.
 
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Replacing discrimination with discrimination to fix discrimination - an idea only a liberal can understand. And of course, it’s starts with assuming all white males are misogynists.

well done
Not all Whites are. But suggesting any are or ever have been triggers you. sorry about that
 
Not all Whites are. But suggesting any are or ever have been triggers you. sorry about that
You like to act like nobody you know has ever falsely accused anybody you know, when in fact, the vast vast majority of Biden voters view the vast vast majority of Republicans and Libertarians as racist misogynist seditionists, and voice it daily.

Open your eyes Marv. The left is replacing democracy with uni-thought. Polarization and accusation is the weapon of choice. Anybody who voices even a question will be unemployed.

The nation is teetering toward chaos, and the President walks out of press conferences.

well done.
 
Replacing discrimination with discrimination to fix discrimination - an idea only a liberal can understand. And of course, it’s starts with assuming all white males are misogynists.

well done
Dang, you lawyers is smart!
 
You like to act like nobody you know has ever falsely accused anybody you know, when in fact, the vast vast majority of Biden voters view the vast vast majority of Republicans and Libertarians as racist misogynist seditionists, and voice it daily.

Open your eyes Marv. The left is replacing democracy with uni-thought. Polarization and accusation is the weapon of choice. Anybody who voices even a question will be unemployed.

The nation is teetering toward chaos, and the President walks out of press conferences.

well done.
What are the odds Marvin was a SPEA major?

Just speculatin'
 
What are the odds Marvin was a SPEA major?

Just speculatin'
SPEA helped get me from a teenager on an assembly line in Marion to overseeing Medicare's largest payment system. Whatever your point was you should probably rethink it.
 
SPEA helped get me from a teenager on an assembly line in Marion to overseeing Medicare's largest payment system. Whatever your point was you should probably rethink it.
What do you think my point was?

Congrats on your government job.
 
It's not the fault of the Delta Variant--the vax is good enough to cover it..It's all in the math. The car with the bad shock will continue to bob until the forces reach equilibrium...If we could vax everyone on the same day, maybe that would bring equilibrium on more quickly. (like a car with a good shock absorber)

Someone asked me, "Will more people being vaccinated make things better or worse"?
For the usual childhood vaxes, we have a long record of their effectiveness- They seem to confer a high level of immunity for a lifetime (although we were surprised recently about the measles vax).

We all know the shortcomings of the flu vax- the bug mutates so rapidly that a new vax is required each year, PLUS- the vax doesn't seem to confer lasting immunity the way natural infection/recovery does..

Which group will the CoV vax fall into? So far it looks like it's more like the flu vax--Are we prepared to keep immunizing ourselves on a yearly (or less) basis...or should we just let ourselves get infected and forget about it?...If we all take the shot, then the next time this strain comes around, we may suffer the consequence that the severity of this epidemic will be repeated.
Hold on a second. You ask if we are prepared to immunize ourselves on a yearly or less basis or let ourselves get infected. If it's mutating rapidly, getting COVID once "and forget about it" won't work. That's why some people have had the original virus (whatever that was) and the Delta later. It's not a one and done situation we have here. I would personally like to stroll into a CVS for 15 minutes and get a pinch in my arm than end up like this:



Not the way I want to go. But at least they're unconscious.
 
Hold on a second. You ask if we are prepared to immunize ourselves on a yearly or less basis or let ourselves get infected. If it's mutating rapidly, getting COVID once "and forget about it" won't work. That's why some people have had the original virus (whatever that was) and the Delta later. It's not a one and done situation we have here. I would personally like to stroll into a CVS for 15 minutes and get a pinch in my arm than end up like this:



Not the way I want to go. But at least they're unconscious.
It’s important to distinguish “getting it” from the impact it has relative to natural immunity.
 
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Open your eyes Marv. The left is replacing democracy with uni-thought. Polarization and accusation is the weapon of choice. Anybody who voices even a question will be unemployed.


Open your eyes MTIOT. The RIGHT is UNDERMINING democracy with UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS OF FRAUD. Polarization and accusation is the weapon of choice. Anybody who voices even a question will be A SOCIALIST OR A RINO.




These two posts correctly sum up the political discourse in our country.
 
Sitting in the observation room at Anschutz Medical Center after my third shot. A half dose. Rooms are full of Giclee prints of Anschutz’s considerable western art collection and 60’s music playing on the speaker system. Johnny Cash I walk the lLine as I write this. Tandem ride this morning. Dinner with friends tonight. Life is good.
 
Sitting in the observation room at Anschutz Medical Center after my third shot. A half dose. Rooms are full of Giclee prints of Anschutz’s considerable western art collection and 60’s music playing on the speaker system. Johnny Cash I walk the lLine as I write this. Tandem ride this morning. Dinner with friends tonight. Life is good.
Why the half dose?
 
Sitting in the observation room at Anschutz Medical Center after my third shot. A half dose. Rooms are full of Giclee prints of Anschutz’s considerable western art collection and 60’s music playing on the speaker system. Johnny Cash I walk the lLine as I write this. Tandem ride this morning. Dinner with friends tonight. Life is good.
Good but not always fair. Doing a zoom call in the morning with a lifelong friend now in Connecticut on his last leg with cancer. Our whole crew surprising him. Covid is hell but cancer will still kill 600,000 plus this year w/ roughly 2 mil diagnosed per year.

My stoker's cousin went back in the hospital today. Young. 35. Apparently one of these Covid long haulers. Hasn't been to work in months.
 
Good but not always fair. Doing a zoom call in the morning with a lifelong friend now in Connecticut on his last leg with cancer. Our whole crew surprising him. Covid is hell but cancer will still kill 600,000 plus this year w/ roughly 2 mil diagnosed per year.

My stoker's cousin went back in the hospital today. Young. 35. Apparently one of these Covid long haulers. Hasn't been to work in months.
yep. I am fortunate in many ways. It is humbling.
 
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My stoker's cousin went back in the hospital today. Young. 35. Apparently one of these Covid long haulers. Hasn't been to work in months.
I don't know how to add this, but I wanted to mention that the man who died whose funeral I went to, his widow survived Covid, but she still had supplemental oxygen and a SO2 monitor on her finger at the funeral.

I'm reconnecting with their son, whom I grew up with, and I'll find out more, but my guess is they were not vaccinated, since it seems like long odds that they'd both have a very bad breakthrough infection at the same time.
 
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