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You tell em Rudy!
I don't know about you, but if I were a prosecutor trying to build a case, I would pressure the cooperating witnesses to plead to the ultimate crime or a conspiracy with respect thereto. Instead Mueller has all of his star cooperating witnesses admit they are liars. That tells me that Mueller isn't building a case--because there is no case. Instead he is building a report. For those in Rio Linda he is building a smear.
I don't know about you, but if I were a prosecutor trying to build a case, I would pressure the cooperating witnesses to plead to the ultimate crime or a conspiracy with respect thereto. Instead Mueller has all of his star cooperating witnesses admit they are liars. That tells me that Mueller isn't building a case--because there is no case. Instead he is building a report. For those in Rio Linda he is building a smear.
A crazy question might be why all these people lied to a prosecutor. I would think every one of their lawyers told them the importance of not lying, absolutely every tv pundit/lawyer stressed that point over and over again. Do not lie to a prosecutor under oath. Yet it appears many successful people went out there and did just that. So maybe their lawyers aren't very bright, these successful people aren't very bright, or there is an attempt to hide something bigger. I'm far from sold on that last one, but it has to be well inside the realm of possibility.
You are a lawyer, would you not have stressed the importance of not lying to your client?
Why did they all lie?
A couple of them lied to save taxes. Flynn may not have lied. I have no idea why Cohen lied to Congress because the truth was not evidence of a crime. Maybe he wanted to keep the generous Trump retainer. The others are so far down in the weeds that they really don’t matter. In any event, the lies don’t have a common purpose other than to prove the witnesses are all liars.
Fortunately for the US, you are not a prosecutor.I don't know about you, but if I were a prosecutor trying to build a case, I would pressure the cooperating witnesses to plead to the ultimate crime or a conspiracy with respect thereto. Instead Mueller has all of his star cooperating witnesses admit they are liars. That tells me that Mueller isn't building a case--because there is no case. Instead he is building a report. For those in Rio Linda he is building a smear.
Mueller isn’t going to keep digging if there’s nothing there.
Do you think it’s Ok for a presumptive presidential candidate to actively seek a deal with a hostile foreign power, with financing from a sanctioned bank? And then lie about it, repeatedly?
LOL. There was nothing there when Mueller was appointed. That is the point Dershowitz, Turley, McCarthy et. al. have been making for more than a year. Nothing there doesn't stop Mueller.
My memory of the time line isn't the same of yours. By the time Trump became the "presumptive nominee" I think negotiations were already terminated. That would be June of 2016. As a practical matter, as the Cohen testimony shows, the negotiations were going nowhere and probably practically ended months before that, maybe in January.
Trump repeatedly said he had no business ties to Russia. The evidence about efforts to build a hotel do not disprove that. IIRC, the parties never even got to a LOI stage with the proposed hotel.
Google is your friend. Sometimes it’s like you just to want to seek counter info. I don’t understand CO- you’re a smart guy. It’s almost as if you’ve just stopped being intellectually curious, and just follow the tribe these days.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ow-deal-michael-cohens-latest-plea-agreement/
It’s pretty clear they wanted to keep the ongoing talks secret- after it was pretty clear that Trump was either going to have a strong shot to win the pub nomination, or was actually the presumptive nominee.
If there was nothing wrong with it, why go to such great lengths to deny it? And, why all the meetings and attempts at back channels AFTER the negotiations here ceased? Why has Trump never said a bad word about Putin/Russia, when he attacks everything and everyone? That doesn’t interest you in the slightest bit?
Again, you’ve got to start reading better news sources. If you’ve read what I’ve read (actual reporting and analysis from experts vs opinion pieces trying to debunk the probe), you’d probable have a different outlook. Or, maybe not.
The dots are there. Mueller is connecting them. It takes time. And we’re all essentially in the dark (with a few bread crumbs coming from Mueller’s office) to sustain us until the report comes out.
I’ll give you a clue as to what’s going on- anytime Rudy Giuliani goes on the attack re: Mueller, there’s clearly something there that Trump is trying to get in front of at the moment. The latest was a leak proclaiming the answers to two of the written questions. Which, lined up with Cohen’s previously testimony- which was full of lies.
I won’t engage COH on this, and most topics. Don’t forget he created a narrative that the Mueller team was “leaking like a sieve” despite every shred of evidence showing the exact opposite.
It just seems this is going to boil down to physical evidence. If Cohen has anything that proves that Trump knew of the plan to offer the $50 million penthouse to Putin, it is very big trouble for Trump in my opinion. It could be a recorded conversation, an email, a text, or possibly even contemporaneous notes. Bribing foreign officials is a crime and will lead to the House at least entertaining impeachment.
But if there is no other evidence than Cohen's word that he brought it up with Trump, I doubt it gets into an impeachment debate (but I am certain there would still be a public House committee hearing). Cohen's veracity is somewhat in question. Even if we think he's telling the truth, getting past reasonable doubt would be very tough. I do suspect there are enough Democrats who would hold that reasonable doubt thought to prevent impeachment hearings. Bringing impeachment hearings and failing to get the votes to impeach would be a disaster.
Well, yeah, you're on top of this except for the part where you have no idea what other evidence Mueller has available in his back pocket to bring out at an actual trial if needed.I don't know about you, but if I were a prosecutor trying to build a case, I would pressure the cooperating witnesses to plead to the ultimate crime or a conspiracy with respect thereto. Instead Mueller has all of his star cooperating witnesses admit they are liars. That tells me that Mueller isn't building a case--because there is no case. Instead he is building a report. For those in Rio Linda he is building a smear.
Why did they lie to a prosecutor? Well, pardon me.A crazy question might be why all these people lied to a prosecutor. I would think every one of their lawyers told them the importance of not lying, absolutely every tv pundit/lawyer stressed that point over and over again. Do not lie to a prosecutor under oath. Yet it appears many successful people went out there and did just that. So maybe their lawyers aren't very bright, these successful people aren't very bright, or there is an attempt to hide something bigger. I'm far from sold on that last one, but it has to be well inside the realm of possibility.
You are a lawyer, would you not have stressed the importance of not lying to your client?
Did you know there actually is a "spokesman" for the Special Counsel's office?Don’t forget he created a narrative that the Mueller team was “leaking like a sieve” despite every shred of evidence showing the exact opposite.
Yeah, I want that job!Did you know there actually is a "spokesman" for the Special Counsel's office?
What a cake job. I wonder what it pays.
More rule of law are for pussies:
It will be two interesting parallal universes between the House and the Senate next year.
While Trump clearly will not be indicted before his term ends...and if he's re-elected the statue of limitations will have expired...that really isn't the point. These alleged felonies will serve as the basis for impeachment and all it will take is a simple majority of the House to send the case to the Senate for trial.
More rule of law are for pussies:
It will be two interesting parallal universes between the House and the Senate next year.